Christians what happens during the end times and what will be the final end??

[hadit]

The tribulation was over in 70 AD.

Nope. There is no new earth. It is yet to come.

 

[hadit]

Read ALL of Isaiah. Israel is the suffering servant. God calls Israel his servant all through scripture. All of Isaiah is about Israel's suffering. Why would one sentence be changed?

Read also the prophet Daniel. He laid out the timeline for Messiah to be revealed, and hundreds of years later, Magi he had left instructions for showed up looking for the child.

 

[surada]

Nope. There is no new earth. It is yet to come.

The new Jerusalem is spiritual. The kingdom of God that Jesus spoke of is not on earth.

 

[hadit]

That's true. Jesus wasn't an anointed warrior king and he didn't vanquish the enemies of the Jews.

He DID, however, vanquish sin and death. He DID, however, fulfill the prophecies about Him.

 

[surada]

Read also the prophet Daniel. He laid out the timeline for Messiah to be revealed, and hundreds of years later, Magi he had left instructions for showed up looking for the child.

Daniel was a historian not a prophet. He wrote about Antiochus IV, his defiling the temple and attempt to Hellenize the Jews... written in 164 BC.

 

[marvin martian]

The microscopic bacteria and viruses will get us first, if climate change doesn't kill us.

Now we have to worry about your president starting a nuclear war.

 

[hadit]

The new Jerusalem is spiritual. The kingdom of God that Jesus spoke of is not on earth.

It is coming to earth, as prophesied. You keep saying this as if it's significant. Don't you realize that you're picking and choosing parts of Revelation as literal so you can say they already happened, then taking the other parts that blatantly contradict your view and brushing them away as "spiritual"? What was the mark that everyone in 70 AD had to wear? When were 1/3 of all ships destroyed and people killed by intense heat?

 

[hadit]

Daniel was a historian not a prophet. He wrote about Antiochus IV, his defiling the temple and attempt to Hellenize the Jews... written in 164 BC.

Daniel served in nebuchadnezzar's court, so no. He laid out exactly when Messiah was to be revealed hundreds of years before it happened, and He was. I know, you just keep robotically repeating that Daniel was written in 164 BC without any kind of evidence that it was. Deal with this though. Even if he wrote the book in 164 BC, you still cannot get past his prophetic time line that Yeshua was revealed as Messiah when he said he would be. Heck, he even had Magi he had instructed on where and when to look for the new-born king of the Jews show up when He was an infant.

 

[surada]

It is coming to earth, as prophesied. You keep saying this as if it's significant. Don't you realize that you're picking and choosing parts of Revelation as literal so you can say they already happened, then taking the other parts that blatantly contradict your view and brushing them away as "spiritual"? What was the mark that everyone in 70 AD had to wear? When were 1/3 of all ships destroyed and people killed by intense heat?

The mark of the beast was Caesar's head embossed on Roman coin. It wasn't voluntary.. it was required all over the Roman empire. The Jews hated it.

Revelation letter was written to the 7 churches. It's what happened in the first century .. remember John of Patmos, your brother in tribulation?

 

[onefour1]

During the Millennial era Satan will be bound so as not to be able to wreak havoc in the world. However, at the end of the Millennial era Satan will be loosed again and will set out to turn the hearts of mankind to do evil. He will make his last stand but will be defeated and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone which is hell. The earth will then be changed into a celestial sphere and the righteous (the meek) will inherit the earth. It will become a heavenly planet.

 

[hadit]

The mark of the beast was Caesar's head embossed on Roman coin. It wasn't voluntary.. it was required all over the Roman empire. The Jews hated it.

Revelation letter was written to the 7 churches. It's what happened in the first century .. remember John of Patmos, your brother in tribulation?

Of course, he wrote the book, and you can see how each church corresponds with different epochs throughout history. And how did Caesar's head on a coin become a number tattooed on the hand or forehead? You're making a lot of substitutions here without cause.

 

[JustAGuy1]

The mark of the beast was Caesar's head embossed on Roman coin. It wasn't voluntary.. it was required all over the Roman empire. The Jews hated it.

Revelation letter was written to the 7 churches. It's what happened in the first century .. remember John of Patmos, your brother in tribulation?

But you still haven't dealt with the entire World seeing him come back in the clouds...are there even 2 of you who run around claiming Daniel wasn't a Prophet?

 

[hadit]

But you still haven't dealt with the entire World seeing him back in the clouds...are there even 2 of you who run around claiming Daniel wasn't a Prophet?

They have to make that claim in order to deny the Yeshua is Messiah, because Daniel gave the day when He would be revealed, and on that Day, He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, as prophesied.

 

[surada]

But you still haven't dealt with the entire World seeing him back in the clouds...are there even 2 of you who run around claiming Daniel wasn't a Prophet?

Daniel is not considered a prophet. In fact, there was no Daniel. It was written by Jewish Sages in 164 BC to give the people comfort and hope over what had happened under the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanies. This was the first Abomination of Desolation.

The story is set in the court of Nebuchadnezzar.. it's fictionalized. Meanwhile, they actually rededicated the temple, celebrated the first chanukah and carried out the Maccabean revolt. Since you don't know anything about Antiochus IV Epiphanies or the Maccabees, you have missed a crucial piece of Jewish history.

 

[surada]

They have to make that claim in order to deny the Yeshua is Messiah, because Daniel gave the day when He would be revealed, and on that Day, He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, as prophesied.

For Christians Jesus is the messiah. He didn't fulfill the prophecy for Jewish people.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Daniel is not considered a prophet. In fact, there was no Daniel. It was written by Jewish Sages in 164 BC to give the people comfort and hope over what had happened under the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanies. This was the first Abomination of Desolation.

The story is set in the court of Nebuchadnezzar.. it's fictionalized. Meanwhile, they actually rededicated the temple, celebrated the first chanukah and carried out the Maccabean revolt. Since you don't know anything about Antiochus IV Epiphanies or the Maccabees, you have missed a crucial piece of Jewish history.

You're wrong, but you normally are. Daniel is considered a Prophet by nearly every denomination. Only Preterists deny it because it doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[JustAGuy1]

For Christians Jesus is the messiah. He didn't fulfill the prophecy for Jewish people.

A Jew who comes to Christ accepts Him as Savior.

 

[JustAGuy1]

surada
There's still that pesky return you refuse to deal with.

 

[surada]

You're wrong, but you normally are. Daniel is considered a Prophet by nearly every denomination. Only Preterists deny it because it doesn't fit their narrative.

He's not considered a prophet in Judaism.

 

[hadit]

For Christians Jesus is the messiah. He didn't fulfill the prophecy for Jewish people.

He fulfilled the prophecies.