Civil War Facts

[Unkotare]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.
If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

 

[bripat9643]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.
If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

 

[there4eyeM]

Perpetual Union + "secession" = rebellion/treason.
The legal process would have been changes through Constitutional processes to the Constitution.
Declaring separation did not make separation a fact, merely a claim/attempt.
American troops maneuvered on American territory to protect the Constitution and the nation from sedition.
They succeeded, albeit at horrendous cost, all due to illegal action by a minority.

 

[Unkotare]

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.
If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

American troops in America, you stupid traitor.

 

[rightwinger]

Virginia, and the 'South', was invaded by an emotion leading to illegal actions. These actions led to ruin for those seeking to renounce their obligations to the Perpetual Union. Thus, hundreds of thousands died and the economy of the South was transformed.
After the war, those highly placed persons most responsible for this disaster were not punished as they would have been in historically similar situations. This demonstrates a greatness of America that many overlook.

They were led down the wrong path by zealots and fear mongerers

Lincoln’s going to take away our slaves....we need to form a slave nation

The result was 600,000 dead and the end of slavery

 

[rightwinger]

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.
If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

It was Federal Territory
The South had no claim to it

 

[rightwinger]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.
If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Lincoln responded to an attack on Ft Sumter

Another blunder by the Confederacy

The Union was trespassing on the territory of South Carolina. Furthermore, Lincoln sent a resupply ship that intruded on the waters of South Carolina. There's no way that Lincoln had a right to occupy that fort and resupply it. He violated every tenant of international law by doing so.

We had a right to support and access our territory
Much like Guantanamo Bay today

 

[mikegriffith1]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.

If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war. . . .

Technically, Jefferson Davis started the war by bombarding Fort Sumter, one of the most foolish and senseless decisions in the history of bad decisions. That being said, Lincoln's reaction to the bloodless and amicably settled Sumter attack was quite overheated, but at that point Lincoln had no choice, unless he wanted to be disgraced and impeached and have his much more radical vice president take over.

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

American troops in America, you stupid traitor.

South Carolina was no longer part of America after it seceded, you fucking dumbass. If it was part of America, then Lincoln committed treason by making war on "the United States" (plural).

 

[bripat9643]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.
If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Lincoln responded to an attack on Ft Sumter

Another blunder by the Confederacy

The Union was trespassing on the territory of South Carolina. Furthermore, Lincoln sent a resupply ship that intruded on the waters of South Carolina. There's no way that Lincoln had a right to occupy that fort and resupply it. He violated every tenant of international law by doing so.

We had a right to support and access our territory
Much like Guantanamo Bay today

No he didn't. It wasn't "our territory." It was the territory of South Carolina.

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln started the war, moron.

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

It was Federal Territory
The South had no claim to it

Of course they did. Does North Carolina have a claim on the territory of Fort Bragg? It enforces the laws there. It levies taxes there.

 

[bripat9643]

Perpetual Union + "secession" = rebellion/treason.
The legal process would have been changes through Constitutional processes to the Constitution.
Declaring separation did not make separation a fact, merely a claim/attempt.
American troops maneuvered on American territory to protect the Constitution and the nation from sedition.
They succeeded, albeit at horrendous cost, all due to illegal action by a minority.

Really? Where does the Constitution say that?

Post hoc rationalizations are just another form of lying.

 

[rightwinger]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.

If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war. . . .

Technically, Jefferson Davis started the war by bombarding Fort Sumter, one of the most foolish and senseless decisions in the history of bad decisions. That being said, Lincoln's reaction to the bloodless and amicably settled Sumter attack was quite overheated, but at that point Lincoln had no choice, unless he wanted to be disgraced and impeached and have his much more radical vice president take over.

Lincoln looked at an attack on our flag as war

The South gave him a reason to invade, the soon regretted it

 

[rightwinger]

Perpetual Union + "secession" = rebellion/treason.
The legal process would have been changes through Constitutional processes to the Constitution.
Declaring separation did not make separation a fact, merely a claim/attempt.
American troops maneuvered on American territory to protect the Constitution and the nation from sedition.
They succeeded, albeit at horrendous cost, all due to illegal action by a minority.

Really? Where does the Constitution say that?

Post hoc rationalizations are just another form of lying.

Our Constitution makes no provisions for secession
It provides for the formation of a UNITED States. If they wanted states to flop back and forth as the whim suited them, they would have included a procedure for that

 

[there4eyeM]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.

If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war. . . .

Technically, Jefferson Davis started the war by bombarding Fort Sumter, one of the most foolish and senseless decisions in the history of bad decisions. That being said, Lincoln's reaction to the bloodless and amicably settled Sumter attack was quite overheated, but at that point Lincoln had no choice, unless he wanted to be disgraced and impeached and have his much more radical vice president take over.

Lincoln looked at an attack on our flag as war

The South gave him a reason to invade, the soon regretted it

There was no military invasion. There was a spiritual and moral invasion by forces of division, treachery and oppression. These were turned back, albeit imperfectly.
In sum, the military operations of legitimate Union forces intervened and the Perpetual Union, the origin of this nation and the object of the Constitution, was preserved.
Mankind struck a blow for mankind.

 

[Unkotare]

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

American troops in America, you stupid traitor.

South Carolina was no longer part of America after it seceded....

Wrong.

 

[Unkotare]

Wrong, moron.

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

American troops in America, you stupid traitor.

... If it was part of America, then Lincoln committed treason by making war on "the United States" (plural).

Wrong again.

 

[bripat9643]

How about Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana? These were not northeastern states.

The problem started when the seven Deep South states would not accept the results of a lawful election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern, even though the South still controlled the Senate and could block anything it didn't like, and even though the Republicans did not have an outright majority in the House.

If the South had just accepted Lincoln there was little Lincoln could have done to end slavery. Best he could do was limit expansion into new states.

If left on its own, slavery would have been gradually phased out and slave owners would have been compensated for their loss of “property”

But the South panicked and started a war. A war that ended slavery in four years

Lincoln started the war. . . .

Technically, Jefferson Davis started the war by bombarding Fort Sumter, one of the most foolish and senseless decisions in the history of bad decisions. That being said, Lincoln's reaction to the bloodless and amicably settled Sumter attack was quite overheated, but at that point Lincoln had no choice, unless he wanted to be disgraced and impeached and have his much more radical vice president take over.

Lincoln looked at an attack on our flag as war

The South gave him a reason to invade, the soon regretted it

There was no military invasion. There was a spiritual and moral invasion by forces of division, treachery and oppression. These were turned back, albeit imperfectly.
In sum, the military operations of legitimate Union forces intervened and the Perpetual Union, the origin of this nation and the object of the Constitution, was preserved.
Mankind struck a blow for mankind.

The "perpetual union" was dissolved when they approved the Constitution. There was nothing legitimate about occupying the sovereign territory of South Carolina, violating the territorial waters of South Carolina, and invading the sovereign state of Virginia.

You're a goose stepping statist blowhard.

 

[bripat9643]

It's irrefutable that he started it. ...

Wannabe reb stupidity. The traitors fired on Fort Sumter. Your personal hatred for the United States of America does not change the facts.

Union troops were trespassing on the territory of SC, moron. If foreigners refuse to leave your country, then they deserve to be fired on.

American troops in America, you stupid traitor.

South Carolina was no longer part of America after it seceded....

Wrong.

Can you prove that? Of course not.

 

[regent]

Citizens seem able to leave the United States legally, but they cannot take a state or bunch of states with them when they leave. So, those citizens that want to leave the US may do so, but cannot not take states. nor parts of states with them when they leave.