CNBC: Democrats quickly call for tighter gun laws after Las Vegas shooting massacre

Yep, not working:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

And every week a cop is shot and killed. This is extremely rare in civilized countries.

And obviously the mass shootings keep getting worse.


Worse? This one makes one more for 2017 over 2016.....and this guy got lucky.....

71 killed in mass public shootings in 2016.

35,161 killed in car accidents in 2015....

Which is deadlier?

You are comparing cars? Cars are driven by millons and millions of people each day. They are an important part of most everyones lives. Most peoples day wouldn't be effected if guns disappeared tomorrow.


Which actually killed more human beings...shooters in mass public shootings...71, or cars....35,161.......if you can't tell the difference in the actual number of people killed, you should get your nanny to help you.

First we lost way more than 71. Second, what is your point? Again cars are used MILLIONS of times each day by MILLIONS of people. Guns aren't used at all by most people.


No..we had 6. And 71 people were murdered in them.....

Cars killed 35,161 people....the 71 were intentional, illegal criminal acts. The 35,161 were accidents.....

Cars kill more people...

Knives killed 1,544 in 2015......

knives kill more people than mass shooters do.

Other countries have cars kill people. Other countries have knives kill people. We have lots of mass shootings. We have cops being killed every week. We have hundreds die from accidental shootings. This is a US problem.
 
another Canadian announced dead in Vegas shooting. Jessica Klymchuk from Edmonton.
 
The debate is legality...it is HIGHLY illegal to alter firearms in a way that makes them fully auto unless you have acquired the correct license.
Wrong

How to Make Your Gun Shoot Like It’s Fully Automatic—in One Easy Step – Mother Jones

That’s because, despite enabling rapid fire that mimics a fully automatic weapon, Slide Fire doesn’t appear to violate the production ban in the National Firearms Act. The law only regulates weapons that are designed to shoot “automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading.” The way the Slide Fire works, as Cottle explained to Guns America, makes it easier for semi-automatic gun owners to do what they’ve been doing anyway: “bump firing,” which is where you simulate automatic firing by rocking the gun against the trigger finger. (This practice can also lead to highly inaccurate shooting.)

The Slide Fire helps shooters increase their accuracy and number of rounds—without actually firing automatically. “You actively fire every round, and if you stop pushing forward or you take your finger off the trigger the gun stops firing. It just helps you fire the gun in semiautomatic very fast,” Cottle told the magazine.

A letter from the ATF on Slide Fire’s website certifies the part’s legality for exactly that reason. According to the letter, Slide Fire told ATF that the stock “is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility.” So, basically, if you are missing a hand and need to fire a gun like Capone, the Slide Fire is for you.

Coulson, the ATF spokesman, confirmed the stock does not violate any national laws, and Stephen Halbrook, an attorney who has represented gun companies and the NRA, says “if it was even borderline illegal, ATF would have told them, no, you can’t market it. I’ve met the guys there and they’re very strict.” In 2006, the ATF revoked its approval of a strikingly similar piece, the Akins Accelerator. But the Akins Accelerator, unlike the Slide Fire, included a recoil spring in its design. (It has since been successfully relaunched without the spring.)
Fool, that does not make it military grade you silly fucker…
Hey dummy. It doesnt have to be military grade to be full auto.
True, that means its still just a sporting rifle, and no where near as reliable as military grade. Dip shit
Doesn't need to be... it's spraying .223 rounds at high velocity, with probably each going through more than one person. And clearly he wasn't reliant on
In the light of the events in Las Cegas, no one is doing a "happy dance", especially gun control advocates. We do not traffic in schadenfreude. That despicable trait is the province of those who refuse to recognize the havoc automatic weapons bring to our streets.

What's the purpose of a machine gun? It is not designed for sporting purposes. It is designed exclusively to kill as many humans as quickly as possible. No one can justify their ownership among civilians. Such weapons belong in the hands of a well regulated militia, not on American streets.

Unless specially licensed, machine guns are illegal, ya thick head!
Gee. It must take extensive engineering to modify a semi-automatic firing system to a fully automatic firing system.

Can you do it? I doubt it.

It is also against the law to do that. That would be the same kind of law you would propose to outlaw guns.

Why break just one gun control law when you can break them all?

That means people will still die!

Do you have any idea how many gun laws the San Bernadino shooters broke? I guess we should expect criminals to obey all the laws regarding guns while they are randomly killing people.

Criminals don't follow laws, eh? That's far out, man.


So, a little quiz: if we just repealed the laws banning/controlling automatic weapons, would the result be:

a) more automatic weapons
b) same number
c) fewer

And, if you make it past that grueling question and got the correct answer, would the result then be:

a) more mass shootings and/or more dead people in each mass shooting
b) no change
c) fewer deaths and/or mass shootings, because we'll all be safer at this point, given the proliferation of automatic weapons

Taaaaaake your time...
A .223 is nothing special, nothing high powered about it..
 
The debate is legality...it is HIGHLY illegal to alter firearms in a way that makes them fully auto unless you have acquired the correct license.
Wrong

How to Make Your Gun Shoot Like It’s Fully Automatic—in One Easy Step – Mother Jones

That’s because, despite enabling rapid fire that mimics a fully automatic weapon, Slide Fire doesn’t appear to violate the production ban in the National Firearms Act. The law only regulates weapons that are designed to shoot “automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading.” The way the Slide Fire works, as Cottle explained to Guns America, makes it easier for semi-automatic gun owners to do what they’ve been doing anyway: “bump firing,” which is where you simulate automatic firing by rocking the gun against the trigger finger. (This practice can also lead to highly inaccurate shooting.)

The Slide Fire helps shooters increase their accuracy and number of rounds—without actually firing automatically. “You actively fire every round, and if you stop pushing forward or you take your finger off the trigger the gun stops firing. It just helps you fire the gun in semiautomatic very fast,” Cottle told the magazine.

A letter from the ATF on Slide Fire’s website certifies the part’s legality for exactly that reason. According to the letter, Slide Fire told ATF that the stock “is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility.” So, basically, if you are missing a hand and need to fire a gun like Capone, the Slide Fire is for you.

Coulson, the ATF spokesman, confirmed the stock does not violate any national laws, and Stephen Halbrook, an attorney who has represented gun companies and the NRA, says “if it was even borderline illegal, ATF would have told them, no, you can’t market it. I’ve met the guys there and they’re very strict.” In 2006, the ATF revoked its approval of a strikingly similar piece, the Akins Accelerator. But the Akins Accelerator, unlike the Slide Fire, included a recoil spring in its design. (It has since been successfully relaunched without the spring.)
Fool, that does not make it military grade you silly fucker…
Hey dummy. It doesnt have to be military grade to be full auto.
True, that means its still just a sporting rifle, and no where near as reliable as military grade. Dip shit
Doesn't need to be... it's spraying .223 rounds at high velocity, with probably each going through more than one person. And clearly he wasn't reliant on
In the light of the events in Las Cegas, no one is doing a "happy dance", especially gun control advocates. We do not traffic in schadenfreude. That despicable trait is the province of those who refuse to recognize the havoc automatic weapons bring to our streets.

What's the purpose of a machine gun? It is not designed for sporting purposes. It is designed exclusively to kill as many humans as quickly as possible. No one can justify their ownership among civilians. Such weapons belong in the hands of a well regulated militia, not on American streets.

Unless specially licensed, machine guns are illegal, ya thick head!
Gee. It must take extensive engineering to modify a semi-automatic firing system to a fully automatic firing system.

Can you do it? I doubt it.

It is also against the law to do that. That would be the same kind of law you would propose to outlaw guns.

Why break just one gun control law when you can break them all?

That means people will still die!

Do you have any idea how many gun laws the San Bernadino shooters broke? I guess we should expect criminals to obey all the laws regarding guns while they are randomly killing people.

Criminals don't follow laws, eh? That's far out, man.


So, a little quiz: if we just repealed the laws banning/controlling automatic weapons, would the result be:

a) more automatic weapons
b) same number
c) fewer

And, if you make it past that grueling question and got the correct answer, would the result then be:

a) more mass shootings and/or more dead people in each mass shooting
b) no change
c) fewer deaths and/or mass shootings, because we'll all be safer at this point, given the proliferation of automatic weapons

Taaaaaake your time...

Your ignorance is showing. A .223 round will not pass through a person. It is designed to wound more then kill. One wounded soldier takes 2 or more others out of the battle.

Your bogus questions will be ignored because they are infested with stupidity.
 
Senators, including some who once voted against an assault-weapon ban are jumping on the gun control band-wagon.

The "assault weapons" which were the target of yesterday's gun-ban advocates were not in fact assault weapons but ordinary semi-automatic sporting rifles that look like real assault weapons, the critical difference being the primary characteristic of any true assault weapon is fully automatic function. What today's (Las Vegas) shooter used is a true, fully automatic assault weapon.

While time and circumstances have caught up with and corrected a critically ignorant mistake the important point in this distinction is the true assault weapon has always been illegal. What yesterday's ignorant gun-ban advocates were calling for was a stupidly redundant effort to ban ordinary semi-automatic sporting rifles (e.g., AR-15, etc) -- which are not assault weapons.
Let's see if they only "look" like assault weapons or are easily modified to become assault weapons

The monster was firing at 600 rounds per minute. Awfully fast for a semiautomatic
Only an uninformed fool thinks ars are easily modified to shoot full auto...
 
You are comparing cars? Cars are driven by millons and millions of people each day. They are an important part of most everyones lives. Most peoples day wouldn't be effected if guns disappeared tomorrow.

You don't think so? Then do this: Get a huge sign made that says WE HAVE NO FIREARMS IN THIS HOUSE, hang that sign on your front porch, and get back to us in a month or so and let us know how it worked out for ya......if you're still alive.

The reason people like you are protected by guns even if you don't own one is because our laws say you can use one for protection if you need it. Any potential attacker has no guarantee that you are not armed; in fact, statistically, they have to assume you are.

Give them a guarantee that you are not armed, and see what happens.

Yes really slowing crime a lot:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yes, the second straight year after the Ferguson effect. Why not expand a bit to see the real statistics?

Violent-Crime-Rate-Chart1.png
 
Wrong

How to Make Your Gun Shoot Like It’s Fully Automatic—in One Easy Step – Mother Jones

That’s because, despite enabling rapid fire that mimics a fully automatic weapon, Slide Fire doesn’t appear to violate the production ban in the National Firearms Act. The law only regulates weapons that are designed to shoot “automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading.” The way the Slide Fire works, as Cottle explained to Guns America, makes it easier for semi-automatic gun owners to do what they’ve been doing anyway: “bump firing,” which is where you simulate automatic firing by rocking the gun against the trigger finger. (This practice can also lead to highly inaccurate shooting.)

The Slide Fire helps shooters increase their accuracy and number of rounds—without actually firing automatically. “You actively fire every round, and if you stop pushing forward or you take your finger off the trigger the gun stops firing. It just helps you fire the gun in semiautomatic very fast,” Cottle told the magazine.

A letter from the ATF on Slide Fire’s website certifies the part’s legality for exactly that reason. According to the letter, Slide Fire told ATF that the stock “is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility.” So, basically, if you are missing a hand and need to fire a gun like Capone, the Slide Fire is for you.

Coulson, the ATF spokesman, confirmed the stock does not violate any national laws, and Stephen Halbrook, an attorney who has represented gun companies and the NRA, says “if it was even borderline illegal, ATF would have told them, no, you can’t market it. I’ve met the guys there and they’re very strict.” In 2006, the ATF revoked its approval of a strikingly similar piece, the Akins Accelerator. But the Akins Accelerator, unlike the Slide Fire, included a recoil spring in its design. (It has since been successfully relaunched without the spring.)
Fool, that does not make it military grade you silly fucker…
Hey dummy. It doesnt have to be military grade to be full auto.
True, that means its still just a sporting rifle, and no where near as reliable as military grade. Dip shit
Doesn't need to be... it's spraying .223 rounds at high velocity, with probably each going through more than one person. And clearly he wasn't reliant on
In the light of the events in Las Cegas, no one is doing a "happy dance", especially gun control advocates. We do not traffic in schadenfreude. That despicable trait is the province of those who refuse to recognize the havoc automatic weapons bring to our streets.

What's the purpose of a machine gun? It is not designed for sporting purposes. It is designed exclusively to kill as many humans as quickly as possible. No one can justify their ownership among civilians. Such weapons belong in the hands of a well regulated militia, not on American streets.

Unless specially licensed, machine guns are illegal, ya thick head!
Gee. It must take extensive engineering to modify a semi-automatic firing system to a fully automatic firing system.

Can you do it? I doubt it.

It is also against the law to do that. That would be the same kind of law you would propose to outlaw guns.

Why break just one gun control law when you can break them all?

That means people will still die!

Do you have any idea how many gun laws the San Bernadino shooters broke? I guess we should expect criminals to obey all the laws regarding guns while they are randomly killing people.

Criminals don't follow laws, eh? That's far out, man.


So, a little quiz: if we just repealed the laws banning/controlling automatic weapons, would the result be:

a) more automatic weapons
b) same number
c) fewer

And, if you make it past that grueling question and got the correct answer, would the result then be:

a) more mass shootings and/or more dead people in each mass shooting
b) no change
c) fewer deaths and/or mass shootings, because we'll all be safer at this point, given the proliferation of automatic weapons

Taaaaaake your time...

Your ignorance is showing. A .223 round will not pass through a person. It is designed to wound more then kill. One wounded soldier takes 2 or more others out of the battle.

Your bogus questions will be ignored because they are infested with stupidity.
"Your ignorance is showing. A .223 round will not pass through a person."

From a high velocity rifle? No? Okay, you got me there. I'm sure you would know. I don't own rifles. Therefore, i know noting about anything. In your reasonable estimate.


And you ignored my questions because you are a sissy.
 
You are comparing cars? Cars are driven by millons and millions of people each day. They are an important part of most everyones lives. Most peoples day wouldn't be effected if guns disappeared tomorrow.

You don't think so? Then do this: Get a huge sign made that says WE HAVE NO FIREARMS IN THIS HOUSE, hang that sign on your front porch, and get back to us in a month or so and let us know how it worked out for ya......if you're still alive.

The reason people like you are protected by guns even if you don't own one is because our laws say you can use one for protection if you need it. Any potential attacker has no guarantee that you are not armed; in fact, statistically, they have to assume you are.

Give them a guarantee that you are not armed, and see what happens.

Yes really slowing crime a lot:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yes, the second straight year after the Ferguson effect. Why not expand a bit to see the real statistics?

View attachment 152479
Crime dropped with the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control. Now as concealed carry has ramped up, crime is up.

Ah so what caused the ferguson effect? Cops shooting lots of people. That is a unique problem to the US also. Why do our police shoot so many people? Because we have so many guns. Every week a cop is shot and killed. So the ferguson effect is from too many guns.
 
In the light of the events in Las Cegas, no one is doing a "happy dance", especially gun control advocates. We do not traffic in schadenfreude. That despicable trait is the province of those who refuse to recognize the havoc automatic weapons bring to our streets.

What's the purpose of a machine gun? It is not designed for sporting purposes. It is designed exclusively to kill as many humans as quickly as possible. No one can justify their ownership among civilians. Such weapons belong in the hands of a well regulated militia, not on American streets.

Unless specially licensed, machine guns are illegal, ya thick head!
Gee. It must take extensive engineering to modify a semi-automatic firing system to a fully automatic firing system.

Can you do it? I doubt it.

It is also against the law to do that. That would be the same kind of law you would propose to outlaw guns.

Why break just one gun control law when you can break them all?

That means people will still die!

Do you have any idea how many gun laws the San Bernadino shooters broke? I guess we should expect criminals to obey all the laws regarding guns while they are randomly killing people.
Here's my solution. Citizens retain all the bolt action rifles, revolvers and pump shot guns they want.

Any and all guns fitted with a semi-automatic firing system, can be loaded by means of a high capacity magazine should be illegal to own, buy, sell, manufacture, import or distribute.

Guns for sport and self defense remain legal. Guns for warfare are banned. Anyone retaining a banned weapon may keep it if it I should rendered unfireable and kept as a collector's item.

Your proposal would take away all but one firearm I own and that one was made in the 1920s.

Go ahead and try to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Just right ahead and try. See what happens.

The epic failure will be a monument to the idiocy of the gun-grabbers. BTW, which model of gun-grabber are you? Nazi or Communist?
 
Fool, that does not make it military grade you silly fucker…
Hey dummy. It doesnt have to be military grade to be full auto.
True, that means its still just a sporting rifle, and no where near as reliable as military grade. Dip shit
Doesn't need to be... it's spraying .223 rounds at high velocity, with probably each going through more than one person. And clearly he wasn't reliant on
Unless specially licensed, machine guns are illegal, ya thick head!
Gee. It must take extensive engineering to modify a semi-automatic firing system to a fully automatic firing system.

Can you do it? I doubt it.

It is also against the law to do that. That would be the same kind of law you would propose to outlaw guns.

Why break just one gun control law when you can break them all?

That means people will still die!

Do you have any idea how many gun laws the San Bernadino shooters broke? I guess we should expect criminals to obey all the laws regarding guns while they are randomly killing people.

Criminals don't follow laws, eh? That's far out, man.


So, a little quiz: if we just repealed the laws banning/controlling automatic weapons, would the result be:

a) more automatic weapons
b) same number
c) fewer

And, if you make it past that grueling question and got the correct answer, would the result then be:

a) more mass shootings and/or more dead people in each mass shooting
b) no change
c) fewer deaths and/or mass shootings, because we'll all be safer at this point, given the proliferation of automatic weapons

Taaaaaake your time...

Your ignorance is showing. A .223 round will not pass through a person. It is designed to wound more then kill. One wounded soldier takes 2 or more others out of the battle.

Your bogus questions will be ignored because they are infested with stupidity.
"Your ignorance is showing. A .223 round will not pass through a person."

From a high velocity rifle? No? Okay, you got me there. I'm sure you would know. I don't own rifles. Therefore, i know noting about anything. In your reasonable estimate.


And you ignored my questions because you are a sissy.

I ignored your question because they are stupid, just like their author.

There is a lot you know nothing about, so why not just shut up and keep that little secret to yourself?
 
Other countries have cars kill people. Other countries have knives kill people. We have lots of mass shootings. We have cops being killed every week. We have hundreds die from accidental shootings. This is a US problem.
We need a US solution.

MORE GUNS, NOT LESS.

Tried that, not working:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

You must not be smart enough to learn from mistakes.


And the truth, the facts and the reality....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
 
Hey dummy. It doesnt have to be military grade to be full auto.
True, that means its still just a sporting rifle, and no where near as reliable as military grade. Dip shit
Doesn't need to be... it's spraying .223 rounds at high velocity, with probably each going through more than one person. And clearly he wasn't reliant on
Gee. It must take extensive engineering to modify a semi-automatic firing system to a fully automatic firing system.

Can you do it? I doubt it.

It is also against the law to do that. That would be the same kind of law you would propose to outlaw guns.

Why break just one gun control law when you can break them all?

That means people will still die!

Do you have any idea how many gun laws the San Bernadino shooters broke? I guess we should expect criminals to obey all the laws regarding guns while they are randomly killing people.

Criminals don't follow laws, eh? That's far out, man.


So, a little quiz: if we just repealed the laws banning/controlling automatic weapons, would the result be:

a) more automatic weapons
b) same number
c) fewer

And, if you make it past that grueling question and got the correct answer, would the result then be:

a) more mass shootings and/or more dead people in each mass shooting
b) no change
c) fewer deaths and/or mass shootings, because we'll all be safer at this point, given the proliferation of automatic weapons

Taaaaaake your time...

Your ignorance is showing. A .223 round will not pass through a person. It is designed to wound more then kill. One wounded soldier takes 2 or more others out of the battle.

Your bogus questions will be ignored because they are infested with stupidity.
"Your ignorance is showing. A .223 round will not pass through a person."

From a high velocity rifle? No? Okay, you got me there. I'm sure you would know. I don't own rifles. Therefore, i know noting about anything. In your reasonable estimate.


And you ignored my questions because you are a sissy.

I ignored your question because they are stupid, just like their author.

There is a lot you know nothing about, so why not just shut up and keep that little secret to yourself?
No, you ignored them, because you are a sissy. You , despite your bluster, actually agree with some degree of gun control. And you know why we need it and what its positive effects are. But you'd rather throw your little hissy than admit it.
 
Other countries have cars kill people. Other countries have knives kill people. We have lots of mass shootings. We have cops being killed every week. We have hundreds die from accidental shootings. This is a US problem.
We need a US solution.

MORE GUNS, NOT LESS.

Tried that, not working:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

You must not be smart enough to learn from mistakes.


And the truth, the facts and the reality....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year
 

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