Cochran primary won by Black Democrats

[Synthaholic]

Tell us who in the TP wants America to default on our debts.

Every one of them who voted not to raise the debt ceiling!

Yer lying yet AGAIN, dickhead!

What's the lie, Slingblade?

 

[Synthaholic]

So when your credit card is maxed out you call your credit card company and demand they raise your debt limit. Right?

See?!? You DON'T know what the debt ceiling is!!!

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

 

[Slyhunter]

See?!? You DON'T know what the debt ceiling is!!!

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

Then why have a debt ceiling at all if it's not going to stop them spending money we don't have?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

Then why have a debt ceiling at all if it's not going to stop them spending money we don't have?

The original purpose of the debt ceiling was to allow the executive branch to issue bonds without a bond by bond approval process by Congress, which was the original procedure.

By setting a debt ceiling Congress was able to let the executive branch manage the bond issuance while Congress still maintained a degree of influence over the amount of debt issued.

History of United States debt ceiling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ibentoken]

See?!? You DON'T know what the debt ceiling is!!!

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

You're spending too much. That's what you don't want to hear and that's why you hate average hard working taxpayers who play by the rules and disagree with you. You don't lose credit rating over nothing. Enough. I want more of my money. I'm tired of your crony capitalism and using my money for Solyndra and other crap.

 

[Nutz]

The problem Republicans have now is to get those people they screwed over in the primary to vote for them in the general election. I have to wonder how well the Republicans will to do if those who believe as the Tea Party believes stay home in '14.

Teapers staying home in 14...a chance to shut them up versus the possibility of a liberal in office. Then again, a silenced teaper means the GOP might be able to have an open discussion with dems and pull them over to the light and replace the wacko fringe...

Seems like a good gamble...please stay home in 14...but only if you promise to STFU too. We don't need you staying home and spewing your racist drivel too...unless it is the goal to destroy the GOP.

When you can show a post where I've "spewed racist drivel", then I'll replace the points that the neg cost you.

The neg points aren't that important. But you are right, I have never seen you spew racist drivel, I will admit that since it bothers you so much. I was speaking in generalities...caught up in the moment because I believe most teapers are racist asswipes. So, my apologies for lumping you in with those who represent the teaper movement.

 

[Synthaholic]

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

Then why have a debt ceiling at all if it's not going to stop them spending money we don't have?

That's actually a good question that has been asked more and more on both sides. I think it should be eliminated. The law of the land should be that America, like the Lannisters, always pay their debts.

 

[Synthaholic]

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

You're spending too much. That's what you don't want to hear and that's why you hate average hard working taxpayers who play by the rules and disagree with you. You don't lose credit rating over nothing. Enough. I want more of my money. I'm tired of your crony capitalism and using my money for Solyndra and other crap.

Is there a gerbil in your pocket?

The House Of Representatives is the source of ALL spending. The Senate and the President cannot spend money. Who has controlled the House for 20 of the past 24 years?

Republicans.

 

[bripat9643]

See?!? You DON'T know what the debt ceiling is!!!

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Wrong. The debt ceiling prevents the government from borrowing more money. It doesn't prevent the government from paying its debts.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

Wrong. It's like your teenage daughter asking you to raise the limit on her credit card and you saying "no." Just like Congress, your daughter would obviously rather do more shopping and partying rather than pay her bills.

 

[bripat9643]

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

Then why have a debt ceiling at all if it's not going to stop them spending money we don't have?

That's actually a good question that has been asked more and more on both sides. I think it should be eliminated. The law of the land should be that America, like the Lannisters, always pay their debts.

Of course you want to remove all limits on spending. You're a liberal.

 

[TooTall]

See?!? You DON'T know what the debt ceiling is!!!

Okay. Explain it.

The debt ceiling is the limit of Treasury spending to pay for debts already incurred, not to enable more spending.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like going out to eat in a restaurant and then not wanting to pay for your meal.

That means the government would have to prioritize what they pay for and actually eliminate some programs that are duplicates or worthless.

Sounds good to me.

You can skip the dessert and pay for the meal.

 

[TooTall]

Look up open primary is you don't understand it.

Republicans were free to vote in the Democratic primary, also.

And if Mississippi was a Democratic/Liberal state and the mainstream Democratic incumbent was being primaried by a Liberal, you can bet that Republicans would be voting for the mainstream Democrat to keep the Liberal out of office.

Don't deny it.

I not only won't deny it I will admit that I have done so when we had open primaries.

The point is you finally admitted there was a Democratic Primary but insist on being a dickhead and calling the Republican runoff a Mississippi runoff.

I call it the Democratic Primary because it's the one where only Democratic candidates can run - not where only Democratic voters can vote.

Let me get this straight. The Democrats have a primary where anyone can vote but only Democrats are on the ballot so you call it the Democrat Primary. The Republicans have a primary where anyone can vote and only Republicans are on the ballot and you call it the Mississippi runoff.

Did I finally get it right?

 

[Redfish]

I not only won't deny it I will admit that I have done so when we had open primaries.

The point is you finally admitted there was a Democratic Primary but insist on being a dickhead and calling the Republican runoff a Mississippi runoff.

I call it the Democratic Primary because it's the one where only Democratic candidates can run - not where only Democratic voters can vote.

Let me get this straight. The Democrats have a primary where anyone can vote but only Democrats are on the ballot so you call it the Democrat Primary. The Republicans have a primary where anyone can vote and only Republicans are on the ballot and you call it the Mississippi runoff.

Did I finally get it right?

Yeah, pretty close.

Now, here's the REST OF THE STORY.

Cochran was/is going to retire early in his next term (if he beats the dem in NOV). Haley Barbour and the republican governor have his replacement picked and the governor would appoint him as soon as Cochran retires. McDaniel fouled up those plans by getting a majority of republicans to vote for him. Sooooooooo, the corrupt machine put out flyers and did robocalls to get black dems to come out and vote (not for Cochran, but against McDaniel).

They corrupted the primary run off for personal partisan reasons.

We thought that only democrats were slimey politicians------well, this proves otherwise.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Congress controls the purse strings? Isn't that what some people like to remind us?

The Treasury borrows money to pay the bills that have resulted from Congressional spending,

spending resulting from laws the Congress passed.

The debt ceiling is designed to prevent the Treasury from borrowing money that Congress has not authorized;

money needed to pay bills the Congress's laws have created is not in the 'not authorized' category.

When the debt ceiling is reached, it's the duty of Congress to either raise it or pass spending reductions sufficient to avoid exceeding it.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I not only won't deny it I will admit that I have done so when we had open primaries.

The point is you finally admitted there was a Democratic Primary but insist on being a dickhead and calling the Republican runoff a Mississippi runoff.

I call it the Democratic Primary because it's the one where only Democratic candidates can run - not where only Democratic voters can vote.

Let me get this straight. The Democrats have a primary where anyone can vote but only Democrats are on the ballot so you call it the Democrat Primary. The Republicans have a primary where anyone can vote and only Republicans are on the ballot and you call it the Mississippi runoff.

Did I finally get it right?

Well, uh, because it IS a runoff.



And again, for those who are comprehension-impaired:

Mississippi does not, I repeat, does NOT do voter registration by party identification, which means that officially, on paper, on the side of the state, there is no earthy way to know who is a Democrat and who is a Republican. Now, there are Democrats and Republicans in MS, make no doubt about it, but they are not officially registered to vote as such, and so:

In primaries, voters for either side can vote for a candidate from the "other" party, but are only allowed to vote in one primary.

This means that "Republican" voters can vote in the Democratic primary that year, and "Democratic" voters can vote in the Republican primary that year.

However, if it comes to a runoff for one party, voters who already voted in the primary for the other party are not allowed to vote in the runoff. Were this to have been a Democratic runoff instead of a Republican runoff, then that would mean that any Republican voters who already voted in the Republican primary would not be eligible to vote in a Democratic runoff.

That is the case in the Cochran-McDaniel runoff, only in reverse colors. However, voters from "the other party" who have not yet voted in a primary that year ARE eligible to vote in a runoff for the very same reason why it doesn't matter which primary you vote in: because Mississippi does not officially do VR by party affiliation.


It has nothing to do with corruption. It has to do with Mississippi's laws for "electioneering".

Really, this concept is not that difficult to grasp.

 

[Redfish]

Congress controls the purse strings? Isn't that what some people like to remind us?

The Treasury borrows money to pay the bills that have resulted from Congressional spending,

spending resulting from laws the Congress passed.

The debt ceiling is designed to prevent the Treasury from borrowing money that Congress has not authorized;

money needed to pay bills the Congress's laws have created is not in the 'not authorized' category.

When the debt ceiling is reached, it's the duty of Congress to either raise it or pass spending reductions sufficient to avoid exceeding it.

True to a point. the vast majority of spending measures are authorized on an annual basis, there are very few multi year authorization bills.


When someone claims that the debt ceiling has to be raised to pay for spending that has already been authorized------they are either ignorant or lying.

 

[Redfish]

I call it the Democratic Primary because it's the one where only Democratic candidates can run - not where only Democratic voters can vote.

Let me get this straight. The Democrats have a primary where anyone can vote but only Democrats are on the ballot so you call it the Democrat Primary. The Republicans have a primary where anyone can vote and only Republicans are on the ballot and you call it the Mississippi runoff.

Did I finally get it right?

Well, uh, because it IS a runoff.



And again, for those who are comprehension-impaired:

Mississippi does not, I repeat, does NOT do voter registration by party identification, which means that officially, on paper, on the side of the state, there is no earthy way to know who is a Democrat and who is a Republican. Now, there are Democrats and Republicans in MS, make no doubt about it, but they are not officially registered to vote as such, and so:

In primaries, voters for either side can vote for a candidate from the "other" party, but are only allowed to vote in one primary.

This means that "Republican" voters can vote in the Democratic primary that year, and "Democratic" voters can vote in the Republican primary that year.

However, if it comes to a runoff for one party, voters who already voted in the primary for the other party are not allowed to vote in the runoff. Were this to have been a Democratic runoff instead of a Republican runoff, then that would mean that any Republican voters who already voted in the Republican primary would not be eligible to vote in a Democratic runoff.

That is the case in the Cochran-McDaniel runoff, only in reverse colors. However, voters from "the other party" who have not yet voted in a primary that year ARE eligible to vote in a runoff for the very same reason why it doesn't matter which primary you vote in: because Mississippi does not officially do VR by party affiliation.


It has nothing to do with corruption. It has to do with Mississippi's laws for "electioneering".

Really, this concept is not that difficult to grasp.

correct except for your next to last sentence.

The REASON that black dems voted in the GOP run off was corruption, bribery, and lying.

thats the issue, not how the system is designed.

 

[JoeB131]

Or maybe they just didn't want to put another crazy Teabagger in Congress.

Here's the real problem you Teabaggers have. The GOP hates you nearly as much as the Democrats do.

They are just waiting for you to run out of gas, and if they need to play a few tricks like this to foil you, so be it.

The thing is, the Teabagger solution is simple enough. Establish yourselves as a third party and run for office that way. You will still lose,a nd probably assure the election of a democrat, but at least you won't be taken for granted.

Do it, Baby!

 

[Redfish]

Or maybe they just didn't want to put another crazy Teabagger in Congress.

Here's the real problem you Teabaggers have. The GOP hates you nearly as much as the Democrats do.

They are just waiting for you to run out of gas, and if they need to play a few tricks like this to foil you, so be it.

The thing is, the Teabagger solution is simple enough. Establish yourselves as a third party and run for office that way. You will still lose,a nd probably assure the election of a democrat, but at least you won't be taken for granted.

Do it, Baby!

That may happen. What you don't get is that the tea party movement is not a political party or a formal organization of any kind.

what it is is americans who are fed up with an unconstitutional government that is spending the country into massive debt, taking away individual freedoms, opening our borders, destroying our childrens futures, and turning the USA into a copy of failed european socialism.

McDaniel won the GOP vote in the run off. So, the GOP establishment found ways to bribe and lie to black dems to get their old guy back in------------so that they could control who replaced him when he retires early in his next term.

Thats what this was about. It was in no way a repudiation of the tea party, just the opposite.

 

[TooTall]

I call it the Democratic Primary because it's the one where only Democratic candidates can run - not where only Democratic voters can vote.

Let me get this straight. The Democrats have a primary where anyone can vote but only Democrats are on the ballot so you call it the Democrat Primary. The Republicans have a primary where anyone can vote and only Republicans are on the ballot and you call it the Mississippi runoff.

Did I finally get it right?

Well, uh, because it IS a runoff.



And again, for those who are comprehension-impaired:

Mississippi does not, I repeat, does NOT do voter registration by party identification, which means that officially, on paper, on the side of the state, there is no earthy way to know who is a Democrat and who is a Republican. Now, there are Democrats and Republicans in MS, make no doubt about it, but they are not officially registered to vote as such, and so:

In primaries, voters for either side can vote for a candidate from the "other" party, but are only allowed to vote in one primary.

This means that "Republican" voters can vote in the Democratic primary that year, and "Democratic" voters can vote in the Republican primary that year.

However, if it comes to a runoff for one party, voters who already voted in the primary for the other party are not allowed to vote in the runoff. Were this to have been a Democratic runoff instead of a Republican runoff, then that would mean that any Republican voters who already voted in the Republican primary would not be eligible to vote in a Democratic runoff.

That is the case in the Cochran-McDaniel runoff, only in reverse colors. However, voters from "the other party" who have not yet voted in a primary that year ARE eligible to vote in a runoff for the very same reason why it doesn't matter which primary you vote in: because Mississippi does not officially do VR by party affiliation.


It has nothing to do with corruption. It has to do with Mississippi's laws for "electioneering".

Really, this concept is not that difficult to grasp.

I completely understand the concept, having lived in a state that had open primaries. I merely find fault with someone calling a runoff election between two Republicans a 'Mississippi runoff'. I would be equally critical if the Democrats had a runoff and it was referred to as a Mississippi runoff.