Comparing the AR with other Legal Firearms

[BoostedHayabusa]

Sounds like an AR is a good weapon for self defense.

bad choice.

 

[Flash]

You are one stupid little prick. Hell, laws against murder don't stop murders so hell, why have them, right? Isn't that your argument? Speed Limits don't prevent speeding, so let's open all the roads up like the Autobahn.

Would banning assault weapons improve survivability of a mass shooting? Would an inability to purchase scary looking guns perhaps decrease school shootings? Would it reduce the "cool factor"? Would you rather be shot by a pistol or an assault rifle? What advantage does an assault rifle have over other weapons in regards to self-defense and hunting?

You area little chickenshit that can't back up your stupid claims. The 1994 AWB did absolutely nothing to stop any crime.

I gave you an easy way to prove it to me and you chickenshitted out like all you Moon Bat pussies always do.

You ain't worth shit.

 

[Leo123]

bad choice.

That’s not what the gungrabbers say. They say AR’s are most deadly and should be banned. I

 

[BoostedHayabusa]

That’s not what the gungrabbers say. They say AR’s are most deadly and should be banned. I

Regardless. It is time to ban and confiscate them. It is best for the country.
You do want the best for the country, don't you?

 

[Leo123]

In the event of a Zombie Apocalypse, maybe. But otherwise, not so much.

Heck if it can wax a Zombie, popping a nasty human perp should a lot easier.

 

[Leo123]

Regardless. It is time to ban and confiscate them. It is best for the country.
You do want the best for the country, don't you?

An armed populace is best for our country.

 

[Vrenn]

yeah. I got plenty of those.
I might be able to keep my .50 BMG.
If not, oh well. I will do what is right for this country.

Do you know what a BMG is?

 

[Winston]

You area little chickenshit that can't back up your stupid claims. The 1994 AWB did absolutely nothing to stop any crime.

I gave you an easy way to prove it to me and you chickenshitted out like all you Moon Bat pussies always do.

You ain't worth shit.

I did prove it you stupid shit. Mass shootings went down immediately after the ban, and shot up like a rocket immediately after it sunset. And you have absolutely ignored the argument about improving survivability. So who is the chickenshit?

 

[Winston]

An armed populace is best for our country.

And if we ban the assault rifle the population will still be armed.

 

[BoostedHayabusa]

Do you know what a BMG is?

of course I do. I am not gun illiterate like half of these gunnutters.
.50 Browning Machine Gun cartridge
I should have been more specific.
I hope they let me keep my Serbu BFG-50.

 

[Leo123]

And if we ban the assault rifle the population will still be armed.

So, what’s the point?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I am sorry, but you have provided absolutely no documentation.

Here you go:

1994 AWB
Enactment:
Did nothing to reduce availability.
Expiration:
Did nothing to increase availability
Thus:
No effect on shootings

You argue correlation proves causation, and thus, you argue a post hoc fallacy.

And you aren't honest enough to admit you;re wrong.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And if we ban the assault rifle the population will still be armed.

With assault rifles.
And more of them than before the ban.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I already have. The purpose of an assault weapons ban, like the previous ban, is to reduce both
the frequency, and the severity, of mass shootings, PERIOD.

Which it did not do, and can not do, because it did nothing to reduce access to firearms.

 

[Concerned American]

You can't rationally argue against banning assault weapons

Don't have to. The second amendment to the US constitution is the only argument necessary. Next.
Run along commie.

 

[Concerned American]

The gun grabbers had their "foot in the door" for TEN DAMN YEARS,

And here they are again. As for what other weapons that have been banned--try the gun grabbers in WA and their latest bill. Seems more than a foot in the door.

Here is the list of the specific firearms included in the bill that would be banned:

• AK-47 in all forms
• AK-74 in all forms
• Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic
• American Arms Spectre da semiautomatic carbine
• AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms
• AR 180 type semiautomatic
• Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic
• Australian Automatic
• Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics
• Barrett .50 cal light semiautomatic
• Barrett .50 cal M87
• Barrett .50 cal M107A1
• Barrett REC7
• Beretta AR70/S70 type semiautomatic
• Bushmaster Carbon 15
• Bushmaster ACR
• Bushmaster XM-15
• Bushmaster MOE
• Calico models M100 and M900
• CETME Sporter 4CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic
• Colt CAR 15
• Daewoo K-1
• Daewoo K-2
• Dragunov semiautomatic
• Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms
• Fabrique Nationale F2000
• Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter
• Fabrique Nationale M249S
• Fabrique Nationale PS90
• Fabrique Nationale SCAR
• FAMAS .223 semiautomatic
• Galil
• Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms
• Heckler & Koch HK-41/91
• Heckler & Koch HK-43/93
• Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3
• Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms
• Heckler & Koch PSG-1
• Heckler & Koch SL8
• Heckler & Koch UMP
• Manchester Arms Commando MK-45
• Manchester Arms MK-9
• SAR-4800
• SIG AMT SG510 in all forms
• SIG SG550 in all forms
• SKS
• Spectre M4
• Springfield Armory BM-59
• Springfield Armory G3
• Springfield Armory SAR-8
• Springfield Armory SAR-48
• Springfield Armory SAR-3
• Springfield Armory M-21 sniper
• Springfield Armory M1A 7Smith & Wesson M&P 15
• Sterling Mk 1
• Sterling Mk 6/7
• Steyr AUG
• TNW M230
• FAMAS F11
• Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle

 

[Winston]

Don't have to. The second amendment to the US constitution is the only argument necessary. Next.
Run along commie.

They were banned for ten years and the ban was never ruled unconstitutional.

 

[jotathought]

Again, if the previous assault weapons ban was no big deal, then we go back to it. I am fine with that. And again, another gun nut fabricating shit, because they can't make a solid argument against an assault weapons ban. Because yes, the previous assault weapons ban did provide results.

Did the assault weapons ban of 1994 bring down mass shootings? Here’s what the data tells us

Analysis of the 10 years in which the US banned sales of assault weapons shows that it correlates with a drop in mass shooting deaths – a trend that reversed as soon as the ban expired.

theconversation.com

In the years after the assault weapons ban went into effect, the number of deaths from mass shootings fell, and the increase in the annual number of incidents slowed down. Even including 1999’s Columbine High School massacre – the deadliest mass shooting during the period of the ban – the 1994 to 2004 period saw lower average annual rates of both mass shootings and deaths resulting from such incidents than before the ban’s inception.

If it's the same rules as last time .. bring it on.

The AWB was negligible on reducing crime and mass shootings, and the National Research Council describe this in 2004. Additionally, in 2013, the National Institute of Justice had concluded that ban impact had minimal results, especially since "assault weapons" were used in a fraction of the overall gun crimes.

 

[Concerned American]

Thing is, the government has already established a definition for an assault rifle,

Link?

Want to plink cans down at the range with the good old boys, take a .22 rifle without a folding stock and a rail.

How about a Ruger 10-22 with a 110 round drum magazine?

Benefits that no other rifle can provide. Is the AR-15 superior as a self-defense weapon.

I would say fake news, but this ^^^ is a bald faced lie and if you weren't so ignorant of the topic you would know it. BTW, a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle uses the exact same ammo as an AR-15, is semi auto with a similar fire rate--it is not banned anywhere. Got anymore knee-jerk bans of inanimate objects that you'd like to promote. It ain't the weapon. Lock up the criminals.

 

[jotathought]

And here they are again. As for what other weapons that have been banned--try the gun grabbers in WA and their latest bill. Seems more than a foot in the door.

Here is the list of the specific firearms included in the bill that would be banned:

• AK-47 in all forms
• AK-74 in all forms
• Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic
• American Arms Spectre da semiautomatic carbine
• AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms
• AR 180 type semiautomatic
• Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic
• Australian Automatic
• Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics
• Barrett .50 cal light semiautomatic
• Barrett .50 cal M87
• Barrett .50 cal M107A1
• Barrett REC7
• Beretta AR70/S70 type semiautomatic
• Bushmaster Carbon 15
• Bushmaster ACR
• Bushmaster XM-15
• Bushmaster MOE
• Calico models M100 and M900
• CETME Sporter 4CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic
• Colt CAR 15
• Daewoo K-1
• Daewoo K-2
• Dragunov semiautomatic
• Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms
• Fabrique Nationale F2000
• Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter
• Fabrique Nationale M249S
• Fabrique Nationale PS90
• Fabrique Nationale SCAR
• FAMAS .223 semiautomatic
• Galil
• Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms
• Heckler & Koch HK-41/91
• Heckler & Koch HK-43/93
• Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3
• Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms
• Heckler & Koch PSG-1
• Heckler & Koch SL8
• Heckler & Koch UMP
• Manchester Arms Commando MK-45
• Manchester Arms MK-9
• SAR-4800
• SIG AMT SG510 in all forms
• SIG SG550 in all forms
• SKS
• Spectre M4
• Springfield Armory BM-59
• Springfield Armory G3
• Springfield Armory SAR-8
• Springfield Armory SAR-48
• Springfield Armory SAR-3
• Springfield Armory M-21 sniper
• Springfield Armory M1A 7Smith & Wesson M&P 15
• Sterling Mk 1
• Sterling Mk 6/7
• Steyr AUG
• TNW M230
• FAMAS F11
• Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle

All that these manufacturers had to do was change a characteristic about them, and they could be legally produced. For example, changing the name of the weapon and make sure it didn't have 2 aesthetic features that made it scary.