CONFIRMED: President Trump Can Sell Federal Land To Build The Wall

[bripat9643]

You believe your abject stupidity is funny?

Here's a clue for you, moron, there are no container ships going from Mexico to the US. Why would they bother when they can just drive it to the US?

Container ships cost about 1% what trucking does to operate.
There are no friction or hills on the ocean.
No blown tires, no accidents, icy roads, drunks, etc.
A crew of 5 can do what would need a thousand drivers.

They still have to be taken off the ship and put on a truck. Why would they do that when they can just drive directly to their destination?

Are snowflakes all dumbasses like you?

Isn't that why the goods are in containers? To eventually be put onto trucks for site delivery everywhere shoog? They are called container ships for a reason. Were you under the impression that container ships did door to door deliveries? Do you really think you should be calling others dumb?

Why would you put them on a ship when you can just drive directly to the final destination? You only transport them by sea when you haven't got any other choice.

Actually businesses do what they choose to do, and they don't have to, as I understand it, check in with you.

I'm telling you what smart businesses do. They don't put containers on a ship in Vera Cruz just so they can unload it in Galveston and they drive it by Truck to Minneapolis. Only a fucking moron would do that.

How much do you imagine it costs to load and unload a container? That's probably the most expensive part of the whole trip.

 

[bripat9643]

The wall isn't intended to keep us in, you fucking dumbass.

Some of us are old enough to recall being fear mongered into duck and cover drills in school as kids, as if that would ever afford any protection from nuclear attack from those evil nations that built walls around their people.

And now we beg for one around us.

I remembered the Dims trying to fear monger everyone into accepting government run healthcare.

The rest of the advanced post-industrial world has 21st century healthcare, you do not, and you pay for more it. For worse outcomes. Only in america is partisanshitheadism a religion.

I thought the ACA was supposed to fix that. All you fucking douchebag snowflakes admit that it didn't fix anything.

You're the leading practitioner of partisanshitheadism in this forum.

You're an idiot for thinking that weren't you, the ACA is noe single payerm ya got took.

All I've done hon is disagree with you. So you assigend a label rather than go after the ideas. Because you can't.

Yes, I know it's not single payer, but it's the plan that all the morons like you supported. Single payer would be an even bigger nightmare.

 

[candycorn]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

 

[WillPower]

Sam owns ALL of Nevada, Idaho, Utah, most of Arizona and Alaska...HOMESTEAD IT DJ....get the stinkin commie squatters off our land.

 

[justoffal]

Wait, so Mexico paying for it was a LIE?

So Trump lied at all those rallies?

He's just a big orange pig liar POS?

No one gives a fuck whether Mexico pays, moron. Just as you didn't give a fuck if we could keep our doctors or that our healthcare would be $2500 cheaper.

They will pay... Trust me. It won't be a voluntary matter.

Jo

Stupid. Mexico will never pay for Don's Wall. You may. For some slats.

They are already paying.

Jo

 

[justoffal]

Excuse me, Mister Motherfucker, but this issue has been glossed over by every fucking Congress since Reagan was President. IMO, the funding for it should come from all those current and previous politician's pockets. Reagan agreed to amnesty for 3 million in exchange for a wall and got nothing.
No more amnesty, no more bullshit! Build a wall!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwFGuvKUcAAGxom.jpg

What does that have to do with Trump not using these multiple funding options that the people on this forum say are valid?

So you think it's OK for taxpayers to already have funded a wall twice and Congress raided the funds and we still have no wall? I don't, sorry! Not sorry.

Angry, yes.

Free people do not yearn to be walled in by concentrated power and wealth since feudalism.

The wall isn't intended to keep us in, you fucking dumbass.

Some of us are old enough to recall being fear mongered into duck and cover drills in school as kids, as if that would ever afford any protection from nuclear attack from those evil nations that built walls around their people.

And now we beg for one around us.

I took part in those. They were certainly not for nothing. The old school building's basements were actually effective radiation barriers. In a fifty Mile radius a week in the basement would have afforded enough time to wait out the initial radiation burst. After that using the field phones the teachers were trained on a pickup could be arranged probably by a military unit.

Jo

 

[Marion Morrison]

So you think it's OK for taxpayers to already have funded a wall twice and Congress raided the funds and we still have no wall? I don't, sorry! Not sorry.

Angry, yes.

Free people do not yearn to be walled in by concentrated power and wealth since feudalism.

The wall isn't intended to keep us in, you fucking dumbass.

Some of us are old enough to recall being fear mongered into duck and cover drills in school as kids, as if that would ever afford any protection from nuclear attack from those evil nations that built walls around their people.

And now we beg for one around us.

I remembered the Dims trying to fear monger everyone into accepting government run healthcare.

The rest of the advanced post-industrial world has 21st century healthcare, you do not, and you pay for more it. For worse outcomes. Only in america is partisanshitheadism a religion.

Medicine in America is better than anywhere else in the world, faggot. Yes, you may have to pony up dollars.
High prices are a result of insurance companies getting away with bribing comptrollers for 20+ years running. Jail them for bribery, and it all equalizes.

I'm all kinds of against lobbying and legal bribery.

 

[eagle1462010]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

 

[H B Lowrie]

Free people do not yearn to be walled in by concentrated power and wealth since feudalism.

The wall isn't intended to keep us in, you fucking dumbass.

Some of us are old enough to recall being fear mongered into duck and cover drills in school as kids, as if that would ever afford any protection from nuclear attack from those evil nations that built walls around their people.

And now we beg for one around us.

I remembered the Dims trying to fear monger everyone into accepting government run healthcare.

The rest of the advanced post-industrial world has 21st century healthcare, you do not, and you pay for more it. For worse outcomes. Only in america is partisanshitheadism a religion.

Medicine in America is better than anywhere else in the world, faggot. Yes, you may have to pony up dollars.
High prices are a result of insurance companies getting away with bribing comptrollers for 20+ years running. Jail them for bribery, and it all equalizes.

I'm all kinds of against lobbying and legal bribery.

Why is it that when people aren't sure they know what they're talking about, they come with labels? Faggot? What's wrong with you, you're kinda fucked up aren't you.

So we won't be "jail them for bribery"? Or is that already passing as we type? How about some info now.

New York, N.Y., October 8, 2015 — The U.S. spent more per person on health care than 12 other high-income nations in 2013, while seeing the lowest life expectancy and some of the worst health outcomes among this group, according to a Commonwealth Fund report out today. The analysis shows that in the U.S., which spent an average of $9,086 per person annually, life expectancy was 78.8 years. Switzerland, the second-highest-spending country, spent $6,325 per person and had a life expectancy of 82.9 years. Mortality rates for cancer were among the lowest in the U.S., but rates of chronic conditions, obesity, and infant mortality were higher than those abroad.

“Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits,” said Commonwealth Fund President David Blumenthal, M.D. “We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity.”

U.S. Spends More on Health Care Than Other High-Income Nations But Has Lower Life Expectancy, Worse Health | Commonwealth Fund


U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries


Major Findings
· Quality: The indicators of quality were grouped into four categories: effective care, safe care, coordinated care, and patient-centered care. Compared with the other 10 countries, the U.S. fares best on provision and receipt of preventive and patient-centered care. While there has been some improvement in recent years, lower scores on safe and coordinated care pull the overall U.S. quality score down. Continued adoption of health information technology should enhance the ability of U.S. physicians to identify, monitor, and coordinate care for their patients, particularly those with chronic conditions.

· Access: Not surprisingly—given the absence of universal coverage—people in the U.S. go without needed health care because of cost more often than people do in the other countries. Americans were the most likely to say they had access problems related to cost. Patients in the U.S. have rapid access to specialized health care services; however, they are less likely to report rapid access to primary care than people in leading countries in the study. In other countries, like Canada, patients have little to no financial burden, but experience wait times for such specialized services. There is a frequent misperception that trade-offs between universal coverage and timely access to specialized services are inevitable; however, the Netherlands, U.K., and Germany provide universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to specialty services.

· Efficiency: On indicators of efficiency, the U.S. ranks last among the 11 countries, with the U.K. and Sweden ranking first and second, respectively. The U.S. has poor performance on measures of national health expenditures and administrative costs as well as on measures of administrative hassles, avoidable emergency room use, and duplicative medical testing. Sicker survey respondents in the U.K. and France are less likely to visit the emergency room for a condition that could have been treated by a regular doctor, had one been available.

· Equity: The U.S. ranks a clear last on measures of equity. Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick; not getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; or not filling a prescription or skipping doses when needed because of costs. On each of these indicators, one-third or more lower-income adults in the U.S. said they went without needed care because of costs in the past year.

· Healthy lives: The U.S. ranks last overall with poor scores on all three indicators of healthy lives—mortality amenable to medical care, infant mortality, and healthy life expectancy at age 60. The U.S. and U.K. had much higher death rates in 2007 from conditions amenable to medical care than some of the other countries, e.g., rates 25 percent to 50 percent higher than Australia and Sweden. Overall, France, Sweden, and Switzerland rank highest on healthy lives.

How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally


No other advanced country even comes close to the United States in annual spending on health care, but plenty of those other countries see much better outcomes in their citizens' actual health overall.

A new Commonwealth Fund report released Thursday underscored that point — yet again — with an analysis that ranks 13 high-income nations on their overall health spending, use of medical services, prices and health outcomes.

The study data, which is from 2013, predates the full implementation of Obamacare, which took place in 2014. Obamacare is designed to increase health coverage for Americans and stem the rise in health-care costs.

The findings indicate that despite spending well in excess of the rate of any other of those countries in 2013, the United States achieved worse outcomes when it comes to rates of chronic conditions, obesity and infant mortality.

One rare bright spot for the U.S., however, is that its mortality rate for cancer is among the lowest out of the 13 countries, and that cancer rates fell faster between 1995 and 2007 than in other countries.

"Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits," said Dr. David Blumenthal, president of the Commonwealth Fund. "We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health-care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity."

US health care: Spending a lot, getting the least


Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
NEJM - Error


Health Care Outcomes in States Influenced by Coverage, Disparities
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-in-states-influenced-by-coverage-disparities


One explanation for the health disadvantage of the United States relative to other high-income countries might be deficiencies in health services. Although the United States is renowned for its leadership in biomedical research, its cutting-edge medical technology, and its hospitals and specialists, problems with ensuring Americans’ access to the system and providing quality care have been a long-standing concern of policy makers and the public (Berwick et al., 2008; Brook, 2011b; Fineberg, 2012). Higher mortality rates from diseases, and even from transportation-related injuries and homicides, may be traceable in part to failings in the health care system.

The United States stands out from many other countries in not offering universal health insurance coverage. In 2010, 50 million people (16 percent of the U.S. population) were uninsured (DeNavas-Walt et al., 2011). Access to health care services, particularly in rural and frontier communities or disadvantaged urban centers, is often limited. The United States has a relatively weak foundation for primary care and a shortage of family physicians (American Academy of Family Physicians, 2009; Grumbach et al., 2009; Macinko et al., 2007; Sandy et al., 2009). Many Americans rely on emergency departments for acute, chronic, and even preventive care (Institute of Medicine, 2007a; Schoen et al., 2009b, 2011). Cost sharing is common in the United States, and high out-of-pocket expenses make health care services, pharmaceuticals, and medical supplies increasingly unaffordable (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011; Karaca-Mandic et al., 2012). In 2011, one-third of American households reported problems paying medical bills (Cohen et al., 2012), a problem that seems to have worsened in recent years (Himmelstein et al., 2009). Health insurance premiums are consuming an increasing proportion of U.S. household income (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011).

Public Health and Medical Care Systems - U.S. Health in International Perspective - NCBI Bookshelf


Once again, U.S. has most expensive, least effective health care system in survey

A report released Monday by a respected think tank ranks the United States dead last in the quality of its health-care system when compared with 10 other western, industrialized nations, the same spot it occupied in four previous studies by the same organization. Not only did the U.S. fail to move up between 2004 and 2014 -- as other nations did with concerted effort and significant reforms -- it also has maintained this dubious distinction while spending far more per capita ($8,508) on health care than Norway ($5,669), which has the second most expensive system.

"Although the U.S. spends more on health care than any other country and has the highest proportion of specialist physicians, survey findings indicate that from the patients’ perspective, and based on outcome indicators, the performance of American health care is severely lacking," the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that promotes improved health care, concluded in its extensive analysis. The charts in this post are from the report.


Once again, U.S. has most expensive, least effective health care system in survey


US healthcare system ranks 50th out of 55 countries for efficiency
US healthcare system ranks 50th out of 55 countries for efficiency


The U.S. healthcare system notched another dubious honor in a new comparison of its quality to the systems of 10 other developed countries: its rank was dead last.

The new study by the Commonwealth Fund ranks the U.S. against seven wealthy European countries and Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It's a follow-up of previous surveys published in 2010, 2007, 2006 and 2004, in all of which the U.S. also ranked last.

Although the U.S. ranked in the middle of the pack on measures of effectiveness, safety and coordination of care, it ranked dead last on access and cost, by a sufficient margin to rank dead last overall. The breakdowns are in the chart above.

Conservative pundits hastened to explain away these results after the report was published. See Aaron Carroll for a gloss on the "zombie arguments" put forth against the clear evidence that the U.S. system falls short.

The U.S. healthcare system: worst in the developed world

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World

 

[H B Lowrie]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

The Feds fund us ya'lls a lot down here, you know that.

 

[eagle1462010]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

The Feds fund us ya'lls a lot down here, you know that.

The Red State Rant is BS...............California is Number 1 in that category.

 

[candycorn]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

So the answer is that no Red state is worth 5 billion. Thanks for confirming

 

[H B Lowrie]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

The Feds fund us ya'lls a lot down here, you know that.

The Red State Rant is BS...............California is Number 1 in that category.

Sure it is. It's The Reality America Show.

 

[eagle1462010]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

So the answer is that no Red state is worth 5 billion. Thanks for confirming

We are not for sale.............you need to consult your local Human Trafficer from Below the border for that................Why are you trying to buy slaves................Oh well............your problem and not ours. We have tents for sale here if you need more for the GREATNESS of Mexifornia.

 

[eagle1462010]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

The Feds fund us ya'lls a lot down here, you know that.

The Red State Rant is BS...............California is Number 1 in that category.

Sure it is. It's The Reality America Show.

When it isn't burning to the ground from mismanagement.............LOL

 

[candycorn]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

So the answer is that no Red state is worth 5 billion. Thanks for confirming

We are not for sale.............you need to consult your local Human Trafficer from Below the border for that................Why are you trying to buy slaves................Oh well............your problem and not ours. We have tents for sale here if you need more for the GREATNESS of Mexifornia.

Again, South Carolina isn't worth 5B. So the sale of red states to Mexico is a no-go.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

The Feds fund us ya'lls a lot down here, you know that.

The Red State Rant is BS...............California is Number 1 in that category.

Sure it is. It's The Reality America Show.

When it isn't burning to the ground from mismanagement.............LOL

If you have some studies or data please do get to some substance. Otherwise, I'll be out raking so my property doesn't go up in flames before I sit down to a dinner of Fweedumb Fwies.

 

[Lesh]

This is fucking stupid. Please stop.

Yes Trump could stupidly sell off Federal lands (I think) but that wouldn't help him at all.

That money would go into the General Treasury...and it would take Congressional action to spend it from there

 

[H B Lowrie]

Could we get $5B for a red state?

Feds don't own much in Red States where I'm from...........It's out west they own most of the State.........So sorry ........you didn't get to fuck us with liberal lunacy.....

So the answer is that no Red state is worth 5 billion. Thanks for confirming

We are not for sale.............you need to consult your local Human Trafficer from Below the border for that................Why are you trying to buy slaves................Oh well............your problem and not ours. We have tents for sale here if you need more for the GREATNESS of Mexifornia.

Again, South Carolina isn't worth 5B. So the sale of red states to Mexico is a no-go.

So I take it we have all reached a consensus that Mexico is NOT giving Don shit for his maybe on slats?

 

[Issa]

I will not be surprised if he sells couple of red states to Russia.