Congressional Black Caucus: Ferguson Decision a Slap in the Face to Blacks

[the_human_being]

And negroes wonder why the other races on the planet despise them. It's impossible to have any rational conversation with them.
Billions and billions of the 'Maker's' money has been flushed down the toilet trying to help the negroes help themselves.
Nothing. Nowhere has worked.......EVER!
They just destroyed what was left of the shithole they live in.
Now the 'leaders' like the fucking race whore is going to demand the 'gubbermint' spend the 'Maker's' tax money to rebuild the shithole. You watch.

Thanks again for demonstrating just how racist the right wing is. The DNC should put you on the payroll.

What's racist about killing a thug who just robbed a store and was resisting arrest?

So you think every robbery suspect should be killed on sight?

Suspect??? He was hardly a suspect. The robbery was recorded. It was a strong-arm robbery. He could have given himself up without fighting with the police officer. He was a thug and was killed. Get over it. Brown was no choir boy.

I'm not saying he was a choirboy. I don't doubt he was a thug. I don' have a problem with thieves being caught and punished for their crime after proper prosecution procedures are followed. Are you saying that everyone who fits the description of a criminal should be killed in the street? All the cop had was a description, turns out it was the same person, but the cop didn't know that for sure. Robbery is not generally punishable by death anyway.

Attacking an armed police officer while he's sitting in his car can easily lead to one's death. Brown had a death wish that night. He was looking for trouble.

 

[the_human_being]

WASHINGTON, D. C. -- Congressional Black Caucus Chair Marcia Fudge on Monday categorized a Missouri grand jury's decision not to criminally charge the police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown "a slap in the face" that underscores "an unwritten rule that Black lives hold no value."

Rep. Marcia Fudge calls Ferguson acquittal a miscarriage of justice cleveland.com

Oh my...Stupid is and stupid says. Does she not understand law?

The problem is not necessarily with the Ferguson decision; the problem is that the outcome is always the same when cops kill blacks, even when it is more than obvious that the killing was unwarranted and could well be considered outright murder. This happens in case after case, so the Black community is up in arms. It's not just about Ferguson and Officer Wilson. Wilson may well have been justified in killing this kid, but the feeling in much of America is that cops can do whatever they want and we are no longer safe from the police. They are more of a threat to us than they are protecting us. I'm white, and I don't trust any of them anymore. They believe they are above the law, and in one case after another, juries reinstate this idea that they are above the law by letting them get off without even being charged and having to face a real jury.

Get real. Brown went out looking for trouble and found it. He stole the cigars from the convenience store and grabbed the store clerk by the throat. He and his buddy then went out and walked down the middle of a street. He was extremely stupid. He should have known the store clerk would call the police. Brown was a stupid thug feeling his oats and was fortunate the store clerk didn't shoot him. It would have happened were Brown a white guy. If you look for trouble it will find you.

It doesn't change the fact that many cops are killing innocent people with impunity. It makes everything else worse, and everyone reacts whenever a cop kills someone because so many cops are killing people when they have no reason to. If it's not killing people, then it's killing their dogs. Cops have a bad name right now, and it's because they get away with it all the time. It's not just about the Wilson case.

What about the 335 black homicides in Chicago? What about the 135 black homicides of young black men between the ages of 17 and 25 in Chicago? No problem there though, just a problem with one cop who killed a black thug who was trying to take his gun away from him. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[the_human_being]

Says the one who supports the protestors burning buildings.

Exactly what makes you think I support burning of buildings?

Do you support the protestors?

I understand their frustration in feeling that the prosecutor intentionally took the unprecedented step to present defense evidence to the grand jury. That leads me to believe his agenda was not to do the prosecutor's job as it has been done in virtually every other grand jury inquiry. It's his job to prosecute, not as a prosecutor/defense attorney combination. Your accusation that I support burning buildings is a perfect example of the unreasonable thinking we have all grown to expect from right wingers.

Since the protestors are burning buildings and your failure to answer a simple yes/no question shows you do support what they do, that means you support what they are doing.

OK.....Since you are having trouble understanding Yes, I support the protests, and NO, I don't support the violence. I understand that might be a little too complex for a right winger to understand, but you will just have to do your best. All I can do is give you the information. I can't understand it for you..

Being a right-winger has nothing to do with anything except in your mind. It has to do with being civilized, having common sense, and applying the rule of law. It also has to do with the mind of a thug out for trouble.

 

[NoNukes]

There will never ever be an end to racial spin in this country. Fuck it. I'm moving to Canada.

Before Obama came into the picture, I thought things were really getting better.

It was, for Whites.

 

[the_human_being]

If anything, they have increased the chance of violence and convinced some who would not normally join such destruction to participate.

It's the police department's fault a bunch of good for nothing thugs steal and burn down buildings. Right. They're making a bunch of sorry people do that.

More childish lazy thinking. It was the police department's fault when they intentionally and unnecessarily did things they knew would make things worse.

The only thing at fault was the thug that got his sorry ass shot for being one.

That is the entire problem in a nutshell. In this country, we don't gun down thugs in the street just because they are thugs. What else you got?

Oh yeah? Then you go stupid and go out tonight find an armed cop and try to take his gun away from him. I'll send flowers.

 

[dannyboys]

If a particular community doesn't want a police presence on their streets, then maybe we should let them have exactly what they claim they want. Pull all police presence out. Or would they be happier if young thugs are killed by police officers that have the same color skin?
Unless you are privy to everything the jury saw, you have no standing to make that remark.

Isn't that the point? The information that we do have leads a reasonable person to believe the grand jury was conducted in a highly irregular way, and raises a lot of questions as to why.

That's the point. "The information that we do have" is information carefully picked, groomed, and presented so as to tell the story a certain way. It is not a trivial matter to identify what is totally accurate and what has been manipulated. That's why, I believe, the grand jury took as long as they did, because they knew there were some just waiting for any excuse to break windows, steal things, and burn things.

Possible except for the fact that the grand jury didn't control how long or complete the inquiry was. That was all the prosecutors decision. It was obvious that a protracted period was only increasing the unrest, but he continued with the irregularities anyway. A reasonable person could believe he conducted a mock trial without the ground rules of a trial instead of the short grand jury inquiry that was called for to put the jurors in the position of determining guilt or innocence instead of just whether the case should go to trial.

A trial would have included a defense. In a grand jury proceeding there is no presentation of a defense. The sole purpose of a grand jury is to determine whether a crime occurred and what the charges should be. The grand jury hears everything. The defense isn't present and does not get to object as they do in a trial.

In this case presentation of the evidence took so long because the jury met only once a week. They were not sequestered. In addition to the evidence presented in the proceedings they also heard every story, rumor and threat. The grand jury had everything including wild internet claims of cold blooded murder.

"Grand Juries Have Consequences".
Got over it.


All those things listed were certainly not to be expected in normal grand jury inquiries, but things a prosecutor would do to overwhelm a grand jury and to keep from going to trial on a particular case he didn't want to prosecute.

 

[Katzndogz]

Prosecutors normally don't want to prosecute dead bang losers of a case. Mike Nifong did. What happened to him?

 

[dannyboys]

And negroes wonder why the other races on the planet despise them. It's impossible to have any rational conversation with them.
Billions and billions of the 'Maker's' money has been flushed down the toilet trying to help the negroes help themselves.
Nothing. Nowhere has worked.......EVER!
They just destroyed what was left of the shithole they live in.
Now the 'leaders' like the fucking race whore is going to demand the 'gubbermint' spend the 'Maker's' tax money to rebuild the shithole. You watch.

Thanks again for demonstrating just how racist the right wing is. The DNC should put you on the payroll.

Says the one who supports the protestors burning buildings.

Exactly what makes you think I support burning of buildings?

Do you support the protestors?

I understand their frustration in feeling that the prosecutor intentionally took the unprecedented step to present defense evidence to the grand jury. That leads me to believe his agenda was not to do the prosecutor's job as it has been done in virtually every other grand jury inquiry. It's his job to prosecute, not as a prosecutor/defense attorney combination. Your accusation that I support burning buildings is a perfect example of the unreasonable thinking we have all grown to expect from right wingers.

Noooo. It's the Pros.'s job to make sure justice is served for all.
He knew there wasn't a chance Wilson was guilty of even picking his nose in public.
The Pros. saved the State millions of dollars and the result would have been the same and the 'Special Needs Tree Dweller' negroes would have shit in their own nest anyway.
You, in your ludicrous LIB dreamworld actually believe the Pros. ought to have gone against his moral and legal responsibilities. You're fucked in the head.
Would you want him to charge YOU with a crime he KNEW you didn't commit just because the word 'Prosecutor' is in his job title?
Wise up pal.

 

[dannyboys]

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[hadit]

What you call "irregularities" can also be called "the jury making absolutely sure their decision is the best one based solely on the evidence presented".

That is certainly what the prosecutor is claiming, but the jury had no say as to what or how information was presented to them. It was all under the prosecutors control, and he determined how and what evidence was heard. I'm not yet ready to claim that the prosecutor intentionally led the grand jury to that particular decision, but I am saying that all the irregularities were things that an unethical prosecutor would do, and I can't see another reason why he might have conducted the inquiry as he did. Especially since he knew he wasn't trusted by the community to start with, and there was a call for a special prosecutor.

At some point, you have to let people do their jobs. I mean, we can second guess ANY prosecutor, ANY jury, ANY court decision if we don't like the outcome. In fact, had there been a trial and the officer found not guilty, the same people would still be yammering on about how wrong it all is. To far too many people, any outcome other than the one they want is simply unacceptable, and no amount of evidence is ever sufficient to change their minds. The bottom line here is that the officer's life is basically over. He's going to have to move very far away in the middle of the night to have a hope of a somewhat normal life.

You could almost say that about any situation. People will hold on to their preconceived beliefs. It's not about changing anyone's mind. It's about following the rules for fairness that we set for ourselves. There is reason for some to believe that didn't happen this time.

There are many who thought OJ should have been found guilty of murder, but he wasn't, and we all had to accept the jury's decision. In the end, what matters is how we go about ensuring justice is served. What they're doing right now in Ferguson is helping no one. The suspect won't be returned alive, the neighborhoods these bused in rent-a-mobs are destroying are certainly not going to elevated in any way. Why not let judicial review happen? Let other courts examine the record to see if anything was done incorrectly.

Woahhhh. Don't think I am in any way advocating violence in Ferguson, or anywhere else, or supporting it . It's wrong for countless reasons, and does more to hurt their case than anything. I'm just saying that we all know the potential for violence was there, and the actions of the Ferguson police, and the prosecutor have done nothing to try to reduce the tension. If anything, they have increased the chance of violence and convinced some who would not normally join such destruction to participate.

This case was not going to be resolved by any decision coming out of Ferguson. We all know that. If Wilson stood trial and was found not guilty, the exact same people would be saying the exact same things about the verdict, because too many minds were set in stone by incomplete, misleading, or just plain wrong information that confirmed already existing biases. Basically, I'm saying a whole lot of people made up their minds that Wilson was guilty of cold blooded murder simply because he was a white cop who shot a black man, and will never change their minds no matter WHAT evidence is presented. You could show them a video of the suspect reaching into the cop's vehicle, hear the gunshot, see him run away then turn and charge the officer, and they would still maintain that the officer killed him for jaywalking, or some such. Your contention that he was just "pushing away" from Wilson is the sort of thing I'm talking about. Obviously, the grand jury was presented with evidence that contradicts that assertion. And, like I said, there will be review of this decision. If there was a miscarriage of justice, Wilson can still be charged with no fear of double jeopardy. Any way you look at it, though, Wilson's life is basically over. He can't go anywhere or do anything without some wanting his head on a platter.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The first problem is having a Black Caucus...Like their desires for the country are any different than ours?

The Jewish Council

 

[ClosedCaption]

Thanks again for demonstrating just how racist the right wing is. The DNC should put you on the payroll.

What's racist about killing a thug who just robbed a store and was resisting arrest?

So you think every robbery suspect should be killed on sight?

Suspect??? He was hardly a suspect. The robbery was recorded. It was a strong-arm robbery. He could have given himself up without fighting with the police officer. He was a thug and was killed. Get over it. Brown was no choir boy.

I'm not saying he was a choirboy. I don't doubt he was a thug. I don' have a problem with thieves being caught and punished for their crime after proper prosecution procedures are followed. Are you saying that everyone who fits the description of a criminal should be killed in the street? All the cop had was a description, turns out it was the same person, but the cop didn't know that for sure. Robbery is not generally punishable by death anyway.

Attacking an armed police officer while he's sitting in his car can easily lead to one's death. Brown had a death wish that night. He was looking for trouble.

according to the shooter...MB was trying to grab his gun that he wears on his right side.

Makes sense

 

[ClosedCaption]

If Wilson stood trial and was found not guilty, the exact same people would be saying the exact same things about the verdict,

But he didnt face a trial at all. Thats the important difference

 

[Conservative65]

Thanks again for demonstrating just how racist the right wing is. The DNC should put you on the payroll.

Says the one who supports the protestors burning buildings.

Exactly what makes you think I support burning of buildings?

Do you support the protestors?

I understand their frustration in feeling that the prosecutor intentionally took the unprecedented step to present defense evidence to the grand jury. That leads me to believe his agenda was not to do the prosecutor's job as it has been done in virtually every other grand jury inquiry. It's his job to prosecute, not as a prosecutor/defense attorney combination. Your accusation that I support burning buildings is a perfect example of the unreasonable thinking we have all grown to expect from right wingers.

Noooo. It's the Pros.'s job to make sure justice is served for all.
He knew there wasn't a chance Wilson was guilty of even picking his nose in public.
The Pros. saved the State millions of dollars and the result would have been the same and the 'Special Needs Tree Dweller' negroes would have shit in their own nest anyway.
You, in your ludicrous LIB dreamworld actually believe the Pros. ought to have gone against his moral and legal responsibilities. You're fucked in the head.
Would you want him to charge YOU with a crime he KNEW you didn't commit just because the word 'Prosecutor' is in his job title?
Wise up pal.

To people like Bulldog, all that matters is WHITE officer and BLACK thug.

 

[Conservative65]

There will never ever be an end to racial spin in this country. Fuck it. I'm moving to Canada.

Before Obama came into the picture, I thought things were really getting better.

It was, for Whites.

Are you saying the promotion I recently earned at work was becasue I'm white?

 

[Conservative65]

If anything, they have increased the chance of violence and convinced some who would not normally join such destruction to participate.

It's the police department's fault a bunch of good for nothing thugs steal and burn down buildings. Right. They're making a bunch of sorry people do that.

More childish lazy thinking. It was the police department's fault when they intentionally and unnecessarily did things they knew would make things worse.

The only thing at fault was the thug that got his sorry ass shot for being one.

That is the entire problem in a nutshell. In this country, we don't gun down thugs in the street just because they are thugs. What else you got?

Oh yeah? Then you go stupid and go out tonight find an armed cop and try to take his gun away from him. I'll send flowers.

There's a reason why the thugs are burning down businesses of those totally unrelated to the situation. If they are protesting the police department, why isn't their target that building? I know, and I bet you the cowards doing it know, too.

 

[ClosedCaption]

It's the police department's fault a bunch of good for nothing thugs steal and burn down buildings. Right. They're making a bunch of sorry people do that.

More childish lazy thinking. It was the police department's fault when they intentionally and unnecessarily did things they knew would make things worse.

The only thing at fault was the thug that got his sorry ass shot for being one.

That is the entire problem in a nutshell. In this country, we don't gun down thugs in the street just because they are thugs. What else you got?

Oh yeah? Then you go stupid and go out tonight find an armed cop and try to take his gun away from him. I'll send flowers.

There's a reason why the thugs are burning down businesses of those totally unrelated to the situation. If they are protesting the police department, why isn't their target that building? I know, and I bet you the cowards doing it know, too.

In what method of arson is being used to say that thugs had to do it together?

Was one holding a stick and the other blowing on the fire?

 

[Conservative65]

In what method of arson is being used to say that thugs had to do it together?

Was one holding a stick and the other blowing on the fire?

I didn't say they did it together. My point was that if their protest is against the police, why isn't the target the police station? I'm not advocating they do that but since they've shown they will set buildings on fire, what does setting a local mom and pop store on fire have to do with their protesting?

 

[ClosedCaption]

In what method of arson is being used to say that thugs had to do it together?

Was one holding a stick and the other blowing on the fire?

I didn't say they did it together. My point was that if their protest is against the police, why isn't the target the police station? I'm not advocating they do that but since they've shown they will set buildings on fire, what does setting a local mom and pop store on fire have to do with their protesting?

Who's protesting? Because thugs werent protesting they were destroying stuff.

You seem to merge the two a lot. One person set the building on fire yet you blame it on "thugs" plural. Then say that the thugs are the protesters.

 

[Conservative65]

In what method of arson is being used to say that thugs had to do it together?

Was one holding a stick and the other blowing on the fire?

I didn't say they did it together. My point was that if their protest is against the police, why isn't the target the police station? I'm not advocating they do that but since they've shown they will set buildings on fire, what does setting a local mom and pop store on fire have to do with their protesting?

Who's protesting? Because thugs werent protesting they were destroying stuff.

You seem to merge the two a lot. One person set the building on fire yet you blame it on "thugs" plural. Then say that the thugs are the protesters.

They are protesting. The form of protest they use is unjustified burning of buildings. Protests don't have to be peaceful to be a protests.