Conservative columnist George Will says he's voting for Biden

[kaz]

Your opinion that one side favors Wall Street, military contractors, corporations, etcetera more so than the other is a stereotype, whether you recognize it or not.

I only implied that historically speaking the Republican Party has more slavishly and consistently supported policies endorsed by corporations, Wall Street and the MIC. I don’t think this is controversial. The emphasis of everything I said was that both parties are parties of U.S. capitalism and support the MIC. It seems strange to me, rather typically party partisan, that of all the unique and controversial things I said in my comments you should seize on this rather blasé comment to argue with.

If it would comfort you, I will add that I believe these ruling elites have generally preferred the Democrats to be in power when real wars are initiated or waged, since Democrats can usually provide better cover to imperialist adventures, and if necessary mobilize the people to fight and sacrifice.

Actually, many Republicans support free markets, not companies. Yes, many are corporatists like Democrats, but no Democrats support free markets.

The left is far more aligned with corporate interests than the right. It's everyone on the left other than the full socialists who want to end corporations completely. The rest support markets controlled by government, which means big corporations.

You have to just look one layer below the skin to see that

 

[Blackrook]

Democrats hated Bush so much they called him a war criminal and shit. Lakhota doesn't think we remember that but we do.

Well, sparky, all that shit falls under the heading of NORMAL politics. Bush was far from perfect - but he was a saint compared to Trump. Trump is literally a CRIMINAL president.

You already leveled two false accusations against him and FAILED. Will you try again and FAIL a third time?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

No way, man!....The parties are totally different!...That's what pop culture and the media have been telling me since the day I was born, so it must be true!

It is best in analyzing politics to keep in mind reality, and geopolitics too, and never to get all wrapped up in what American “pop culture and the media” tell you. This way you won’t be deceived into seeing everything in party-partisan (or narrowly national) terms. On that we may (partially) agree.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The left is far more aligned with corporate interests than the right. It's everyone on the left other than the full socialists who want to end corporations completely. The rest support markets controlled by government, which means big corporations.

This paragraph doesn’t make much sense to me. The problem seems to be you have the typical American view that defines “the right” as being associated primarily with free market small government conservatism.

There are certainly small business people who still see the world that way, but it is a view essentially inherited from the past. The old world where small town Main Street “free markets” could thrive without Wall Street, giant corporations, big private capital or state capitalist domination of the economy, banking, international trade and production ... that world is long gone.

The “left” you describe that excludes “full socialists” but includes Wall Street (?) and international corporations and I suppose big government statists — this is a concept I understand but have trouble with. These forces are not in any real sense “left.” Is the “Deep State” or “Security State” ... left? You mean the FBI? The CIA? All these forces, with the MIC, are essentially national forces that push extreme rightist imperialist policies whenever those serve their own or imagined U.S. national interests. The real interests of the people are of little account to any of them.

 

[blackhawk]

George Will is one of the original never Trumpers so his backing Biden is no surprise. Will is the classic Washington insider who has no real clue about the concerns or problems of those who live beyond the D.C. beltway bubble.

 

[kaz]

The left is far more aligned with corporate interests than the right. It's everyone on the left other than the full socialists who want to end corporations completely. The rest support markets controlled by government, which means big corporations.

This paragraph doesn’t make much sense to me. The problem seems to be you have the typical American view that defines “the right” as being associated primarily with free market small government conservatism.

There are certainly small business (I think you meant government here)people who still see the world that way

That's exactly what I said. So I don't understand why you don't understand what I said and the rest of your post makes no sense since you didn't disagree with me. I said there are corporatists and small government thinkers in the Republican party. There are no small government supporters in the Democrat party. You can't claim to support tiny government while voting for massive government.

The other thing is that there are a lot of libertarian thinkers in the Republican party. It's not just a vestige of the past as you claim

 

[dblack]

Lost me at George Will and conservative...

Don't feel bad. Few Trump supporters understand the term "conservative".

 

[Coyote]

He works for Washington Post, I wouldn't expect him to vote any other way. I bet he voted for Hillary in 2016 too, you know, "to get back to normal" and stuff (meaning, China crushes the West, but his job is safe, not to worry).

No, he didn't vote for Hillary. Obviously you didn't read the OP. George Will is the kind of traditional conservative Republican that should scare Trump supporters.

Why would George Will "scare" me at all?

The question I would want to ask Mr. Will is this- why kind of "conservative" votes for Socialized Medicine and the New Green Deal? Or Defunding police?

I guess as a free individual , he can call himself anything he wants- but its an unusual kind of "conservative" that supports an ultraliberal extremist platform like that of Sleepy Joe.

What kind of conservative votes for a 24 trillion dollar debt?

Attacks free trade?

Opposes state’s rights?

 

[kaz]

Lost me at George Will and conservative...

Don't feel bad. Few Trump supporters understand the term "conservative".

Sort of like you and libertarian. You claim to be libertarian then shill all day for the mega monster socialist party, the Democrats

 

[Polishprince]

He works for Washington Post, I wouldn't expect him to vote any other way. I bet he voted for Hillary in 2016 too, you know, "to get back to normal" and stuff (meaning, China crushes the West, but his job is safe, not to worry).

No, he didn't vote for Hillary. Obviously you didn't read the OP. George Will is the kind of traditional conservative Republican that should scare Trump supporters.

Why would George Will "scare" me at all?

The question I would want to ask Mr. Will is this- why kind of "conservative" votes for Socialized Medicine and the New Green Deal? Or Defunding police?

I guess as a free individual , he can call himself anything he wants- but its an unusual kind of "conservative" that supports an ultraliberal extremist platform like that of Sleepy Joe.

What kind of conservative votes for a 24 trillion dollar debt?

Attacks free trade?

Opposes state’s rights?

those are all reasons why a conservative might not want to vote for Trump- we are talking about support for Sleepy Joe. BTW, the Sleepy Joe "New Green Deal" costs $95 Trillion, and he's offered no way to pay for it.

 

[dblack]

Lost me at George Will and conservative...

Don't feel bad. Few Trump supporters understand the term "conservative".

Sort of like you and libertarian. You claim to be libertarian then shill all day for the mega monster socialist party, the Democrats

LOL - I always giggle when you use the word libertarian. I'm kind of curious though - is it that you're too stupid to understand the concept? Or too dishonest to represent it accurately? I spose it doesn't matter. Troll on.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

He always has been one of those david brooks "republicans". Some of us knew he was in the closet years ago.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

He works for Washington Post, I wouldn't expect him to vote any other way. I bet he voted for Hillary in 2016 too, you know, "to get back to normal" and stuff (meaning, China crushes the West, but his job is safe, not to worry).

No, he didn't vote for Hillary. Obviously you didn't read the OP. George Will is the kind of traditional conservative Republican that should scare Trump supporters.

Wait I thought traditional=racists...

Democrats believe America is systemically racist and therefore anything American is racist and must be destroyed.

"American tradition" is definitely racist. That's why Democrats want to destroy it and implement a neo-communist takeover of America.

 

[kaz]

Lost me at George Will and conservative...

Don't feel bad. Few Trump supporters understand the term "conservative".

Sort of like you and libertarian. You claim to be libertarian then shill all day for the mega monster socialist party, the Democrats

LOL - I always giggle when you use the word libertarian. I'm kind of curious though - is it that you're too stupid to understand the concept? Or too dishonest to represent it accurately? I spose it doesn't matter. Troll on.

You didn't say anything. How am I not a libertarian? For example ...

 

[Jets]

Good for George Will.

 

[dblack]

Lost me at George Will and conservative...

Don't feel bad. Few Trump supporters understand the term "conservative".

Sort of like you and libertarian. You claim to be libertarian then shill all day for the mega monster socialist party, the Democrats

LOL - I always giggle when you use the word libertarian. I'm kind of curious though - is it that you're too stupid to understand the concept? Or too dishonest to represent it accurately? I spose it doesn't matter. Troll on.

You didn't say anything. How am I not a libertarian? For example ...

Uh... here's a hint. "Authoritarian" and "libertarian" are opposites. Seriously. Look it up.

Libertarian Party Press release on recent unrest | Libertarian Party

Posse Comitatus by Executive Director on Scribd June 2, 2020 For Immediate Release: President Trump’s implication that he will deploy the American military on American soil to battle Americans is yet another failure in leadership. Given the opportunity to act as peacemaker, the president...

www.lp.org

President Trump’s implication that he will deploy the American military on American soil to battle Americans is yet another failure in leadership. Given the opportunity to act as peacemaker, thepresident chose instead to escalate the division across the country, risking even more violence andbloodshed. Rather than focusing on the crime that was committed and using the investigation as afocus for de-escalation, he took the unconscionable step of openly advocating for the deployment oftrained warriors to fight their own countrymen.

 

[Coyote]

Your opinion that one side favors Wall Street, military contractors, corporations, etcetera more so than the other is a stereotype, whether you recognize it or not.

I only implied that historically speaking the Republican Party has more slavishly and consistently supported policies endorsed by corporations, Wall Street and the MIC. I don’t think this is controversial. The emphasis of everything I said was that both parties are parties of U.S. capitalism and support the MIC. It seems strange to me, rather typically party partisan, that of all the unique and controversial things I said in my comments you should seize on this rather blasé comment to argue with.

If it would comfort you, I will add that I believe these ruling elites have generally preferred the Democrats to be in power when real wars are initiated or waged, since Democrats can usually provide better cover to imperialist adventures, and if necessary mobilize the people to fight and sacrifice.

Actually, many Republicans support free markets, not companies. Yes, many are corporatists like Democrats, but no Democrats support free markets.

The left is far more aligned with corporate interests than the right. It's everyone on the left other than the full socialists who want to end corporations completely. The rest support markets controlled by government, which means big corporations.

You have to just look one layer below the skin to see that

I would disagree that one is more aligned with corporate interests than the other. They both sunk in deep, once you look below the skin, as you put it. It just shows in different ways.

The first in the amount of money that flows from corporate interests in to coffers of both parties.

The second is the whole idea of free trade and competition. While we are familiar with how the left affects free trade through government regulation, have you you looked at the affect the other side has? When conglomerates are allowed to grow so vast there IS no competition any more. Rather than a healthy competitive ecosystem, you have an elephant controlling the space, and a bunch of mice scurrying for crumbs. The elephant controls the trade and stifles or buys up the competition. You only have to look at how the giant media conglomerates have swallowed up all the smaller presses and most of our media (left and right) is in the hands of a few. Or look at the tech giants and Amazon and social media. Who owns it? Where is the strong competition? Why are anti-trust laws not enforced?

Corporate interests have their hands deep in the pockets of both and they manipulate the political landscape to favor their sponsors.

 

[Meister]

Conservative Washington Post columnist George Will confirmed Tuesday that he would vote for former Vice President Joe Biden, his first vote for a Democrat for president.

In an interview with USA Today Washington bureau chief Susan Page for the Aspen Institute, Will went further than his 2016 non-endorsement of President Trump and said that he would vote for Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee. Will warned against Trump's nomination in 2016 but stopped short of endorsing his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, at the time.

"Who do you plan to vote for in November?" Page asked the columnist via Zoom.

"Biden," Will replied immediately.

Conservative columnist George Will says he’s voting for Biden

Conservative Washington Post columnist George Will confirmed Tuesday that he would vote for former Vice President Joe Biden, his first vote for a Democrat for president.

thehill.com

George Will on on MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell a few minutes ago. Lawrence welcomed him aboard, to which George replied - "Temporary loitering". Welcome aboard, George!

If he's voting for Biden, he's not a conservative....just sayin'

 

[kaz]

Lost me at George Will and conservative...

Don't feel bad. Few Trump supporters understand the term "conservative".

Sort of like you and libertarian. You claim to be libertarian then shill all day for the mega monster socialist party, the Democrats

LOL - I always giggle when you use the word libertarian. I'm kind of curious though - is it that you're too stupid to understand the concept? Or too dishonest to represent it accurately? I spose it doesn't matter. Troll on.

You didn't say anything. How am I not a libertarian? For example ...

Uh... here's a hint. "Authoritarian" and "libertarian" are opposites. Seriously. Look it up.

Libertarian Party Press release on recent unrest | Libertarian Party

Posse Comitatus by Executive Director on Scribd June 2, 2020 For Immediate Release: President Trump’s implication that he will deploy the American military on American soil to battle Americans is yet another failure in leadership. Given the opportunity to act as peacemaker, the president...

www.lp.org

President Trump’s implication that he will deploy the American military on American soil to battle Americans is yet another failure in leadership. Given the opportunity to act as peacemaker, thepresident chose instead to escalate the division across the country, risking even more violence andbloodshed. Rather than focusing on the crime that was committed and using the investigation as afocus for de-escalation, he took the unconscionable step of openly advocating for the deployment oftrained warriors to fight their own countrymen.

So you have nothing. Exactly as I was obviously pointing out.

No one said Trump is a libertarian. My point is that you endlessly defend the Democrats, who are worse. You do

 

[Mac1958]

Not surprised. I've always respected George Will, even though I don't always agree - he writes well, and knows his stuff. He's a real conservative.

We sure as hell need more people who can communicate without comical hyperbole, flatulent talking points and grade school-level personal insults.

Or, maybe more to the point, they should be given more air time.