Could all Religions Come Together?

[Lisa558]

Along with murdering God's prophets, did you forget the Jews tried to murder Moses too? God just started dropping those Jews one after another. Aaron stepped in and pleaded with God to stop.

If thy right eye offend thee pluck it out. If scripture offends you, then by all means, away from it. But don't expect the message to change because of your fragile sensibilities.
Christ commanded us to spread the Good Word, and we do. If it offends you, then turn the channel. We aren't to be muted by nonbelievers...

Wow…..could you hate Jews any more?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Well, I like that, Meriweather, and yet the road to Heaven is a narrow one. The circle incompasses believers. Christ confirmed it. According to Jesus, mind you, not me, those that do not believe go elsewhere...

 

[Lisa558]

And therein lies your problem. Because the Messiah says the only way to Heaven is through Him.
I am quoting scripture, you are arguing. And I will continue to quote the NT and the OT.
Here is what OUR religion calls us to do:
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
I have no intention of stopping that because you can't handle it.
Besides, the OT isn't any more complimentary to the Jews than the NT. I could really piss you off by quoting Moses...

I don’t have a problem. Jesus was not the Messiah, according to Jewish teachings, and it is beyond obnoxious to keep quoting the NT to a practicing Jew.

All you and Sweet Sue are doing is showing the hostility that SOME Christians have toward GOOD JEWS who will not submit. The two of you are healing the same abuse on us as do liberals toward conservatives.

 

[Lisa558]

Well, I like that and yet the road to Heaven is a narrow one. The circle incompasses believers. Christ confirmed it. According to Jesus, mind you, not me, those that do not believe go elsewhere...

Yeah, and according to every other Jew, we go to Heaven if we meet God’s standards. Along with good Christians.

Christians who do not meet Gd’s standards go elsewhere…..

 

[Meriweather]

Well, I like that, Meriweather, and yet the road to Heaven is a narrow one. The circle incompasses believers. Christ confirmed it. According to Jesus, mind you, not me, those that do not believe go elsewhere...

Jesus often said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, meaning, The Kingdom of Heaven is within our reach. So many of his teachings addressed how to live life in the present day. In that respect, yes, the road into the Kingdom is a narrow one, and only those who have faith in God find this road and live this present life in the Kingdom. Obviously, those who do not live this life in God's love and in His ways do not go into the Kingdom today, but elsewhere, usually to the great kingdom of selfish desires and pleasures. I believe those of us who follow that narrow way are the more blessed.

I don't worry much about the afterlife, other than to pray for/with those who have passed on.

 

[Lisa558]

Wrong. One Jew did say it. And was murdered because He said it and then He came back to prove it. He is a Rabbi to this day of the Order of Melchizedek.
God does have an everlasting covenant with the Jews. You can read all about how he keeps that covenant with the Jews in Revelation. The remnant that run to Him upon His return will accept Him for who He is. The Jewish Messiah. The Lion of the Tribe of Judah.
How is it you don't consider Jesus a bigot and a liar, after what He said about who exactly does go to the Father, but condemn Christians for repeating it?

Whatever. One Jew said it.…maybe. Thousands of other Jews in the 2000 years since have said otherwise.

As to why I don’t consider Jesus a bigot and a liar after what he said….most Jews don’t believe he said that, or else he said something else and it was misinterpreted by the antisemitic writers of the Gospel.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Wow…..could you hate Jews anymore?

If the Irish killed God's prophets, tried to kill Moses, rejected Christ, then I would be typing that the Irish killed God's prophets etc.
Jewish Elijah said it. It must be Elijah that hates the Jews, right?

1 Kings 18:13
Has it not been told to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord by fifties in a cave, and provided them with bread and water?

^OT...

 

[Lisa558]

If the Irish killed God's prophets, tried to kill Moses, rejected Christ, then I would be typing that the Irish killed God's prophets etc.
Jewish Elijah said it. It must be Elijah that hates the Jews, right?

1 Kings 18:13
Has it not been told to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord by fifties in a cave, and provided them with bread and water?

^OT...

I’ve never said Jews were perfect….far from it. We had some real doozies. But then again, so have Christians. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have gone along with murdering 6 million Jews.

Your continuing hatred for Jews is noted.

 

[The Irish Ram]

only those who have faith in God

Not quite what Christ said. Jews have faith in God. Muslims have faith in God. Christ was referring to the work that He did on the cross. He took our sin and in exchange He gave us His pure, sin free record to enter Heaven with. He wasn't tooting His own horn, He was just just explaining the process of entrance. God forgives us for His Son's sake.

 

[Lisa558]

Not quite what Christ said. Jews have faith in God. Muslims have faith in God. Christ was referring to the work that He did on the cross. He took our sin and in exchange He gave us His pure, sin free record to enter Heaven with. He wasn't tooting His own horn, He was just just explaining the process of entrance. God forgives us for His Son's sake.

yes, true….Jews have faith in Gd and Muslims have faith in Gd. That is why GOOD people of those religions, just as GOOD people of Christianity, will enter Heaven.

That is of course according to Jewish teaching. We are fully aware that you think only people of ONE faith - Christians - have a path to Gd. Your way is much less tolerant and accepting of other people, and that’s probably what is behind your venomous rage against Jews.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I’ve never said Jews were perfect….far from it. We had some real doozies. But then again, so have Christians. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have gone along with murdering 6 million Jews.

Your continuing hatred for Jews is noted.

Your continuing hatred for non Jews is palpable. What a hater you are! And, you've had more than your share of doozies.
The Gospel will continue to be preached worldwide, and you can hate every word of it and it won't make any difference to Christ. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. No one get to the Father except through Him. I would be remiss if I failed to withhold that important piece of wisdom. Your immortal soul is at stake. Feel free to do with that information what you will.

 

[Lisa558]

Your continuing hatred for non Jews is palpable. What a hater you are! And, you've had more than your share of doozies.
The Gospel will continue to be preached worldwide, and you can hate every word of it and it won't make any difference to Christ. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. No one get to the Father except through Him. I would be remiss if I failed to withhold that important piece of wisdom. Your immortal soul is at stake. Feel free to do with that information what you will.

Your continuing hate for Jews is palatable.

We KNOW you think you have to believe in Jesus to get to Heaven. No reason to keep repeating it ad infinitum to Jews, and then heap abuse on them if they won’t submit to your belief. Are you so arrogant that you think people don’t know that your type of Christian thinks only THEY get to Heaven? It’s beyond arrogant.

Your immortal soul is at stake if you don’t stop being so nasty and abusive to people who won’t agree with your religious beliefs.
Gd does not approve of that.

 

[ninja007]

Is Yeshua/Jesus The prophesied one, The Messiah?​

In Jn. 5:39 he claimed he was the promised one the Messiah.That all scripture is written of him. How can we know he spoke the truth, how can we check what is being said. Well we need to look at the genealogy the family tree or line since the Messiah has a very specific lineage. From the beginning God established the genealogy and gave us its record so it would be one of the ways to identify him.

Gen.3:15 tells us he would be from the seed of the woman. This is the only place this is mentioned since the seed is from the man. It also says he would crush (conquer) the serpents head. He would overcome Satan who introduced sin to mankind. This is all fulfilled by the virgin birth in Mt.1:16,18

Gen.9:26 tells us Canaan was cursed and Shem was blessed (Shem = name, Semitic people of the name) So he would come through the people of the name.

Gen 12:1-3, 7 says he would come from the line of Abraham. So then this means the messiah needs to be a physical descendant of Abraham eliminating all other family lines. (Matt.1:1, Gal.3:8, 14, 16)

Both Jews, Christians and Muslims are identified with the seed of Abraham. Abraham is told that in his seed all nations will be blessed. Gen.17:18-21, 21:12 Abraham had two sons Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael is from Hagar who is from Ham (Egyptian). |So now in Gen. 26 he separates the two and now he must come through Isaac (Heb.11:17-19). But then we find that Isaac had two sons Esau and Jacob (Numb.24:17-19)so then God eliminates another line by saying he will come through Jacob not Esau. So we find now that the messiah comes from the Jewish line as it narrows from Abraham Isaac to Jacob. Jacob had twelve sons of which only one would be picked so eleven are eliminated Gen 49 It gets even narrower that the Messiah had to come from the tribe of Judah. This is found in Genesis 49 (Matt.1:2 , Heb. 7:14-17)

He will come from the tribe of Judah who is the 4th son of Jacob through Leah. so does not come through Rachel.Gen.29:35

He will come from the tribe of Judah which eliminates 11 other tribes. But not any tribe in Judah Isa.11:1 tells us from the many lines of Judah it would be from the line of Jesse. Yet he had 8 sons so 7 need to be eliminated . Jesse was the father of David 2 Sam. 7:12-17, ps.89:20-29, 35-36. The Messiah is to come through the house of David . The book of Matthew written to Jews makes the point that Jesus would come from the line of David who is from the line of Abraham (Mt.1:1).

Then the line narrows even further where we find the Messiah will come from the line of Solomon who was David's son. 1 Chron.22:9 ;28:4-5 David had at the least 17 children but God chose only one, the son of David and Bathsheba.Ps.132:11 the fruit of David's body will be set upon the throne. (Romans 1:3 Messiahs of the seed of David)

In Matthews account four woman are mentioned Tamar, Rahab, Ruth and Bathsheba. Tamar and Rahab were harlots, Bathsheba committed adultery and Rahab and Ruth were Gentiles. Women are rarely mentioned in the lineage records. These are for good reason, to show The birth would not be dependent on mans goodness and that he came to save sinners Gentiles as well Jews.

Mary was a descendent from David through his son Nathan. Jesus could not be the real son of Joseph or he would have come from the line of Coniah. Jeremiah 22:24 tells us the line of Coniah son of Jehoiakim is cursed (Jeconiah the Je is left off his name because it relates to the name Lord .He was so evil it was left off). The decree was that no descendent of this wicked king would prosper (vs.30). If Jesus were the actual son of joseph he would have been under this curse. the virgin birth solves all this. Joseph adopts Jesus as his step father and he inherits the legal right to the throne. The word ' of the' appears in all the genealogies listed in the book of Luke except one, that is of Joseph. This exception to this is because of his line connected to Jer.22. He is included because of his marriage to Mary. Matthews genealogy makes it clear as it is not attributed to Joseph but Mary.

Location

The family line was established but now we need to go to the location. God specifically picked one place, Bethlehem, for the Messiah to be born Mic.5:2. So now even if one is born somewhere else from the line of David he can’t be the Messiah. Nazareth or Jerusalem is eliminated Mt.2:1. There were two Bethlehem's. This Town was given to the tribe of Judah it was the place where King David was born it is the "house of bread". How fitting that the bread of life would come from this house. But this is a particular area in Bethlehem , Ephratah (the sheepfold) which narrows the possibilities even more. This is where the shepherds watched over their flocks as we see them doing when the angel comes to them and announces their Kings birth.

How will he be born ?

He will be born of a virgin without any human father, the seed of the woman Isa.7:14 (MT.1:22-23) and also from David's line. Joseph adopted him and Jesus becomes the legal heir to the throne.

Now lets go to the time of his coming.

He will be born before the tribe of Judah loses its identity.

Gen 49:10 - "The scepter shall not depart from Judah nor the rulers staff from between his feet until the SHILO comes and to Him be the obedience of the people." Shilo was one of the places the Ark of the Covenant dwelt .

Every tribe of Israel had its own scepter a staff with its name inscribed on it. The scepter represents its judicial authority . The removal of the scepter occurred when Herod the Great, who was not a Jew became King and the Sanhedrin had its power limited. Both of these happened during the lifetime of Jesus. The name Shiloh is synonymous with the name of the Messiah ( Talmud Sanh.98B) It means WHO IS IT. So according to this prophecy the Messiah had to come before the scepter was removed from Judah. Numbers 24:17 "I see Him, but not now; I behold Him, but not near; a Star shall come out of Jacob; a Scepter shall rise out of Israel, and batter the brow of Moab, and destroy all the sons of tumult." This is a vision which spans over 1,500 years. This star was not something seen in the sky, but a person coming from the lineage of Jacob who has glory. Jacob who birthed Israel the nation, Salvation will come from the Jews.

But there is even more facts from scripture to define the time of his coming Dan.9:24-27 tells us the Messiah will appear before the destruction of the city of Jerusalem and the temple which occurred In 70 AD. Daniel received his prophecy after the first destruction of the temple in 586 BC. so Daniels writing in 9:24-27 of the Messiah appearing, of being "cut off" was future. The city would be destroyed afterward along with its genealogical records. So whoever is going to be Messiah must come before this all transpires. The record shows 483 years from 445 B.C. and before the destruction of the 2nd temple in 70 AD.

Getting back to what God promised David when he dies, "I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom (2 Samuel 7:12).

The first verse in the book of Matthew (New Testament) records the fulfillment of the prophecy of his coming from the house of David . The book of the generation of Jesus Christ the Son of David, the son of Abraham (Matthew 1:1)

The angel Gabriel appeared to Mary he announced Jesus’ birth also confirming the prophecy Luke 1:31,32 "You will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David."​

All the prophecies were fulfilled literally and exactly. They were literal people, literal places and fulfilled in the minutest of detail. Jesus did not control of any of these prophecies of where he was born nor did not choose his own parents or place of birth or who his mother was or the time. God the Father ordained all these specific events before the foundation of the world and slowly revealed them to man through the Jewish prophets by his Spirit.

The Scriptures are clear

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophesies, according to Jewish law.

Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

Why don't Jews believe in Jesus? Jews For Jesus?

www.simpletoremember.com

 

[The Irish Ram]

yes, true….Jews have faith in Gd and Muslims have faith in Gd. That is why GOOD people of those religions, just as GOOD people of Christianity, will enter Heaven.

That is of course according to Jewish teaching. We are fully aware that you think only people of ONE faith - Christians - have a path to Gd. Your way is much less tolerant and accepting of other people, and that’s probably what is behind your venomous rage against Jews.

lol @ venomous rage. And, Nope. According to the top Jew, only those who accepts His work on the cross will go. Only He removed sin. Not Allah, not Mohammad, not the Pope, not a Temple priest...
I didn't make the rules. Good humans can't work their way into Heaven no matter how good they think they are. It takes Christ's pure record, you venomous rager you...

 

[The Irish Ram]

Your continuing hate for Jews is palatable.

We KNOW you think you have to believe in Jesus to get to Heaven. No reason to keep repeating it ad infinitum to Jews, and then heap abuse on them if they won’t submit to your belief. Are you so arrogant that you think people don’t know that your type of Christian thinks only THEY get to Heaven? It’s beyond arrogant.

Your immortal soul is at stake if you don’t stop being so nasty and abusive to people who won’t agree with your religious beliefs.
Gd does not approve of that.

God approves of His Son Jesus, and spreading the Gospel of Christ throughout the world to all creation. <that includes Jews.
Mark 16:15, And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. He didn't say to skip over the Jews for fear of offending them. If you are offended by it, take it up with God.

So, you think I wrote this scripture too?
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Don't want to hear the New Testament? Go knit a scarf or something, because as long as Christians are here you will be hearing what Christ, the Jewish Rabbi said. Move on with your outrage. Temples and churches came and go but Jesus' words will NEVER pass away:
My words will never pass away.

You called Jesus a good guy. Was your good guy a liar?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophesies, according to Jewish law.

Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

Why don't Jews believe in Jesus? Jews For Jesus?

www.simpletoremember.com

Every one of them Every one. If He had not then He would not have been an acceptable sacrifice to God in our place, regardless of what simpleto remember.com says. Jesus fulfilled the Law and then said this:
Love is the fulfilling of the law.
^
Try that and see if it doesn't help with your thin skin and easily offended nature...

 

[Lisa558]

lol @ venomous rage. And, Nope. According to the top Jew, only those who accepts His work on the cross will go. Only He removed sin. Not Allah, not Mohammad, not the Pope, not a Temple priest...
I didn't make the rules. Good humans can't work their way into Heaven no matter how good they think they are. It takes Christ's pure record, you venomous rager you...

What top Jew? That’s the difference, you nincompoop. Jews don’t consider Jesus the top Jew. So you can keep being offensive and telling Jews they can’t work their way into heaven, blah-blah-blah....but all it does is annoy people.

So please, would you shut up about it already? What good does it do to hit a Jew over the head and keep telling her she’s going to hell. JEWS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT LIE.

 

[Lisa558]

Every one of them Every one. If He had not then He would not have been an acceptable sacrifice to God in our place, regardless of what simpleto remember.com says. Jesus fulfilled the Law and then said this:
Love is the fulfilling of the law.
^
Try that and see if it doesn't help with your thin skin and easily offended nature...

So you are enjoying offending Jew Girl, are you? IS THAT why you keep banging me over the head with your quotes about Jesus? I’ve told you to stop. Jesus would t want you behaving the nasty way you are.

 

[Lisa558]

The Irish Ram

I put offensive, rude, disrespectful Christians like you on ignore. You’re invisible now.