Could Trump Actually Deport 11 Million People?

[Correll]

The willingness to shoot people is the only thing that would make the Berlin Wall more effective. However, the people trying to cross the wall were far more motivated than the people crossing our Southern border. It's not like Mexico is some Stalinist hell hole.

since it no longer exists there is no real comparison.

Because we can't look at history to learn lessons?

LOL!!!

yes "we" can .
but you clowns almost never do and when on the rare occasion you do you willfully misinterpret it .
when I say willfully I'm being kind.

If that was the case you should have pointed out what Brit misinterpreted, and not attacked the very idea of comparing modern events against historical examples.

the obvious never need to be pointed out ,that's why it's obvious .
there is no should I'm not obligated to school you.

It's obvious that you refuse to be honest about your positions and arguments, but are still here to fill up the thread with nonsense.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't have a problem with building a wall. It would put some Americans to work. I don't know how effective it would be, but it seemed quite effective for East and West Germany. It's probably better for the economy than mass deportations.

Let's not forget who built that wall in Berlin and also why: It was to keep people in, not out plus anyone who wanted out was shot.

Also, it was only 97ish miles long, not 1900+.

The willingness to shoot people is the only thing that would make the Berlin Wall more effective. However, the people trying to cross the wall were far more motivated than the people crossing our Southern border. It's not like Mexico is some Stalinist hell hole.

since it no longer exists there is no real comparison.

Yeah, because we can't learn anything by studying the past.

obviously you never have.

How is that "obvious?" I think people who believe you can learn nothing from the past are far more likely to learn nothing from the past. For instance, you never learned that socialism doesn't work.

 

[charwin95]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

 

[daws101]

Nobody get paid 3 or 4 dollars an hour........... This just shows how ignorant people are. Cherry picking is around 6.50 to 8 an hour. Slaughter house is around 8.

Slaughter house used to be a middle class job, although dangerous.

Not since illegals and third world labor moved in.

bullshit !
not in the last century has that been true,
The Most Common Jobs For The Rich, Middle Class And Poor

Not since last century? You mean 16 years ago?

Please explain how that undermines my point.

I have hemorrhoids older than you .
you have no point so there nothing to undermine .
fail.

And you've accused me of having information free posts. LOL.

Slaughter house used to support a middle class life style until cheap Third World labor suppressed wages.

link?

 

[daws101]

Let's not forget who built that wall in Berlin and also why: It was to keep people in, not out plus anyone who wanted out was shot.

Also, it was only 97ish miles long, not 1900+.

The willingness to shoot people is the only thing that would make the Berlin Wall more effective. However, the people trying to cross the wall were far more motivated than the people crossing our Southern border. It's not like Mexico is some Stalinist hell hole.

since it no longer exists there is no real comparison.

Yeah, because we can't learn anything by studying the past.

obviously you never have.

How is that "obvious?" I think people who believe you can learn nothing from the past are far more likely to learn nothing from the past. For instance, you never learned that socialism doesn't work.

you've proven my point for me.

 

[Correll]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

So, the American lost work he was willing and able to do because he was undercut by an hispanic worker?

Was this hispanic foreign born?

 

[daws101]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

why do you have a lawn in palm springs?
why would it need to be mowed 4 time a week?

 

[bripat9643]

The willingness to shoot people is the only thing that would make the Berlin Wall more effective. However, the people trying to cross the wall were far more motivated than the people crossing our Southern border. It's not like Mexico is some Stalinist hell hole.

since it no longer exists there is no real comparison.

Yeah, because we can't learn anything by studying the past.

obviously you never have.

How is that "obvious?" I think people who believe you can learn nothing from the past are far more likely to learn nothing from the past. For instance, you never learned that socialism doesn't work.

you've proven my point for me.

How?

 

[daws101]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

So, the American lost work he was willing and able to do because he was undercut by an hispanic worker?

Was this hispanic foreign born?

that's not what he wrote .
thanks for proving my point about willful misinterpretation with the added bonus of willful misrepresentation.

 

[daws101]

since it no longer exists there is no real comparison.

Yeah, because we can't learn anything by studying the past.

obviously you never have.

How is that "obvious?" I think people who believe you can learn nothing from the past are far more likely to learn nothing from the past. For instance, you never learned that socialism doesn't work.

you've proven my point for me.

How?

it's obvious.

 

[charwin95]

Look, you have obviously been backed into a corner, and all you have left is to scream and pout. It's not working. Nobody is buying it. Employers hire illegals because they can pay them less and they don't have to follow our laws about safety and working conditions.

Well said and agreed 100%.

you're also wrong.

Both of those are some what like double side tapes........ One is anti immigrations and illegal......... The other one support illegals........ But they support and congratulating each other. That is so funny.

 

[Correll]

Slaughter house used to be a middle class job, although dangerous.

Not since illegals and third world labor moved in.

bullshit !
not in the last century has that been true,
The Most Common Jobs For The Rich, Middle Class And Poor

Not since last century? You mean 16 years ago?

Please explain how that undermines my point.

I have hemorrhoids older than you .
you have no point so there nothing to undermine .
fail.

And you've accused me of having information free posts. LOL.

Slaughter house used to support a middle class life style until cheap Third World labor suppressed wages.

link?

Immigration, Meat Packing, and Trade: Implications for Iowa -- Wallace E. Huffman and John A. Miranowski - Changing Face | Migration Dialogue


"During the past decade, rapid immigration of minority groups into California, Texas, and Florida has caused a significant increase in the supply of low-skilled (-educated) workers and in households that have less than U.S. average income. These changes are impacting small towns and cities. In Iowa (and some other Midwestern states), immigrants from minority groups are a much smaller share of the total workforce than in border states, but rapid increases in their numbers have occurred during the past decade. Although the Iowa labor force decreased 2.3 percent over 1980 to 1990, large increases in Spanish-origin/Hispanics and Asian-origin population occurred. The increase in the labor force for Asian-origin individuals has been much larger than for Hispanics (60% versus 17% during 1980-90). No change has occurred in the number of blacks in the Iowa labor force over this time period. See table 1, section A."



"Average real hourly earning in meat packing and meat processing rose from 1960 to about 1980, with the rate being higher in meat packing, then real average hourly earnings in these subindustries started a 15 year decline, where the rate of decline was slower in meat processing than meat packing (see figure 2). Since 1981, average hourly earnings in meat processing have exceeded the rate for meat packing. Real average hourly earnings in poultry slaughtering and processing have been basically unchanged over 1972-1995 and significantly below the rate for meat packing and meat processing. A notable long term trend is the decline of the real average hourly earning of meat packing and meat processing toward the level of poultry slaughter and processing (see figure 2)."

 

[Correll]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

So, the American lost work he was willing and able to do because he was undercut by an hispanic worker?

Was this hispanic foreign born?

that's not what he wrote .
thanks for proving my point about willful misinterpretation with the added bonus of willful misrepresentation.

"he lost most of his business in our street"

To the "hispanic around 40s".

That is exactly what he wrote.

 

[charwin95]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

I have a middle aged white guy do my small lawn, 20$ a visit. Never any problems.

The problem with that is you lie a lot........... Most of your students here are somewhat deliriously stupid........ electrify the fence, murder people, gator, racist bullshits......... Do you expect those kind of opinion to be serious or just plain stupidity?

 

[Indeependent]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

I have a middle aged white guy do my small lawn, 20$ a visit. Never any problems.

The problem with that is you lie a lot........... Most of your students here are somewhat deliriously stupid........ electrify the fence, murder people, gator, racist bullshits......... Do you expect those kind of opinion to be serious or just plain stupidity?

I only hire Americans, and that includes Legal Immigrants.
If they're good, I tip them.
I always offer a drink and even lunch if their job rakes long enough.
Not everyone's a Neo-Con asshole.

 

[daws101]

bullshit !
not in the last century has that been true,
The Most Common Jobs For The Rich, Middle Class And Poor

Not since last century? You mean 16 years ago?

Please explain how that undermines my point.

I have hemorrhoids older than you .
you have no point so there nothing to undermine .
fail.

And you've accused me of having information free posts. LOL.

Slaughter house used to support a middle class life style until cheap Third World labor suppressed wages.

link?

Immigration, Meat Packing, and Trade: Implications for Iowa -- Wallace E. Huffman and John A. Miranowski - Changing Face | Migration Dialogue


"During the past decade, rapid immigration of minority groups into California, Texas, and Florida has caused a significant increase in the supply of low-skilled (-educated) workers and in households that have less than U.S. average income. These changes are impacting small towns and cities. In Iowa (and some other Midwestern states), immigrants from minority groups are a much smaller share of the total workforce than in border states, but rapid increases in their numbers have occurred during the past decade. Although the Iowa labor force decreased 2.3 percent over 1980 to 1990, large increases in Spanish-origin/Hispanics and Asian-origin population occurred. The increase in the labor force for Asian-origin individuals has been much larger than for Hispanics (60% versus 17% during 1980-90). No change has occurred in the number of blacks in the Iowa labor force over this time period. See table 1, section A."



"Average real hourly earning in meat packing and meat processing rose from 1960 to about 1980, with the rate being higher in meat packing, then real average hourly earnings in these subindustries started a 15 year decline, where the rate of decline was slower in meat processing than meat packing (see figure 2). Since 1981, average hourly earnings in meat processing have exceeded the rate for meat packing. Real average hourly earnings in poultry slaughtering and processing have been basically unchanged over 1972-1995 and significantly below the rate for meat packing and meat processing. A notable long term trend is the decline of the real average hourly earning of meat packing and meat processing toward the level of poultry slaughter and processing (see figure 2)."

No where in the article does it say anything about middle class jobs fail.

 

[charwin95]

What do we tell businesses that hire illegals for cheap labor? Triple your hourly wage, pay time and a half for overtime, and hire Americans. Correct?

I'm on record for years, get rid of bad illegals & visa overstay. Work out deal to keep good people. Add guest worker program if need be. Offer prison inmates 1day off sentence each day worked at low pay, 1/2 pay to defray costs. Your late to party. It ain't impossible to do something, some improvements.....

If you are all getting pissed and moan that illegals are taking over your low paying jobs........... Think again who will take over the high paying jobs.............. GUEST WORKERS.

If read Trump's web site his platform includes policies to reduce skilled guest workers, because of past abuse.

Your master is already an abuser of foreign workers. Your point is meaningless.

At BEST if your claim was correct, it would be somewhat hypocritical of him to reduce guest workers if he abused them himself in the past.


It would not, hypothetically, be the first time a politician was hypocritical.

And thus my point about his policy being to reduce guest workers stands.

So, you for telling employers that hire illegals to triple their pay rates, pay time and a half for overtime and to hire Americans?

Or do you think it is important for them to have their cheap labor?

I have no way of telling mom and pop shop to hire illegals or how much they pay them.
We have pay scale and there is no such thing a legal immigrant get pay less than American employees.

Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers

 

[georgephillip]

Even Trump's biggest competitors in business dealings with him will tell anyone: "When Trump says he's going to do something you can count on him doing it".

Can you supply a link for that claim?

Is there any chance in hell, that ANY POSSIBLE SOURCE would be be acceptable to you and you would accept that information?

King of debt?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-20160314

 

[Indeependent]

Not since last century? You mean 16 years ago?

Please explain how that undermines my point.

I have hemorrhoids older than you .
you have no point so there nothing to undermine .
fail.

And you've accused me of having information free posts. LOL.

Slaughter house used to support a middle class life style until cheap Third World labor suppressed wages.

link?

Immigration, Meat Packing, and Trade: Implications for Iowa -- Wallace E. Huffman and John A. Miranowski - Changing Face | Migration Dialogue


"During the past decade, rapid immigration of minority groups into California, Texas, and Florida has caused a significant increase in the supply of low-skilled (-educated) workers and in households that have less than U.S. average income. These changes are impacting small towns and cities. In Iowa (and some other Midwestern states), immigrants from minority groups are a much smaller share of the total workforce than in border states, but rapid increases in their numbers have occurred during the past decade. Although the Iowa labor force decreased 2.3 percent over 1980 to 1990, large increases in Spanish-origin/Hispanics and Asian-origin population occurred. The increase in the labor force for Asian-origin individuals has been much larger than for Hispanics (60% versus 17% during 1980-90). No change has occurred in the number of blacks in the Iowa labor force over this time period. See table 1, section A."



"Average real hourly earning in meat packing and meat processing rose from 1960 to about 1980, with the rate being higher in meat packing, then real average hourly earnings in these subindustries started a 15 year decline, where the rate of decline was slower in meat processing than meat packing (see figure 2). Since 1981, average hourly earnings in meat processing have exceeded the rate for meat packing. Real average hourly earnings in poultry slaughtering and processing have been basically unchanged over 1972-1995 and significantly below the rate for meat packing and meat processing. A notable long term trend is the decline of the real average hourly earning of meat packing and meat processing toward the level of poultry slaughter and processing (see figure 2)."

No where in the article does it say anything about middle class jobs fail.

"These changes are impacting small towns and cities".
Try the art of inference.

 

[Indeependent]

I'm on record for years, get rid of bad illegals & visa overstay. Work out deal to keep good people. Add guest worker program if need be. Offer prison inmates 1day off sentence each day worked at low pay, 1/2 pay to defray costs. Your late to party. It ain't impossible to do something, some improvements.....

If you are all getting pissed and moan that illegals are taking over your low paying jobs........... Think again who will take over the high paying jobs.............. GUEST WORKERS.

If read Trump's web site his platform includes policies to reduce skilled guest workers, because of past abuse.

Your master is already an abuser of foreign workers. Your point is meaningless.

At BEST if your claim was correct, it would be somewhat hypocritical of him to reduce guest workers if he abused them himself in the past.


It would not, hypothetically, be the first time a politician was hypocritical.

And thus my point about his policy being to reduce guest workers stands.

So, you for telling employers that hire illegals to triple their pay rates, pay time and a half for overtime and to hire Americans?

Or do you think it is important for them to have their cheap labor?

I have no way of telling mom and pop shop to hire illegals or how much they pay them.
We have pay scale and there is no such thing a legal immigrant get pay less than American employees.

Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers

Try reading the article in full before making a fool of yourself.