Could Trump Actually Deport 11 Million People?

[charwin95]

there's nothing to rebut .
your sources are not credible . fail.

All of my sources are credible and rely on real life data.

false.

Why Americans Won't Do Dirty Jobs
Constant machine noise, on your feet, $7.25 an hour, no windows, fillet 8 fish per minute, chilled room ...
Elizabeth Dwoskin
There’s no shortage of people he could give those jobs to. In Alabama, some 211,000 people are out of work. In rural Perry County, where Harvest Select is located, the unemployment rate is 18.2 percent, twice the national average. One of the big selling points of the immigration law was that it would free up jobs that Republican Governor Robert Bentley said immigrants had stolen from recession-battered Americans. Yet native Alabamians have not come running to fill these newly liberated positions. Many employers think the law is ludicrous and fought to stop it. Immigrants aren’t stealing anything from anyone, they say. Businesses turned to foreign labor only because they couldn’t find enough Americans to take the work they were offering.

Why Americans Won't Do Dirty Jobs

The Department of Labor and history says you are wrong. Sorry. There are plenty of Americans who will do these jobs and always have. Look at the stats before you go on believing partisan lies. Thanks.

What do you expect the labor department would say? Hire illegals?
This is NOT A LIE. You rely on those links but not from a real experience. Have you visited slaughter house, aqua farming, convalescence home, home care? Americans are almost none existent.
Btw.... This not a partisan but its bi-partisan only few like correll, devine and you looking the other way.

I've hired for crappy low paying jobs. I didn't have trouble finding Americans.

corrie common girl try to be honest.
Suddenly you are in the hiring mode.

 

[daws101]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

So, the American lost work he was willing and able to do because he was undercut by an hispanic worker?

Was this hispanic foreign born?

that's not what he wrote .
thanks for proving my point about willful misinterpretation with the added bonus of willful misrepresentation.

"he lost most of his business in our street"

To the "hispanic around 40s".

That is exactly what he wrote.

You mean the 1940's?
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a little thing called ww2 going on then .
Most "American men were at war and someone had to keep the food coming.
During and after that there was a manufacturing boom and more American started to work in factories because they paid better and the work was not as labor intensive.
You also conveniently left out the rise of automation.

 

[daws101]

I have hemorrhoids older than you .
you have no point so there nothing to undermine .
fail.

And you've accused me of having information free posts. LOL.

Slaughter house used to support a middle class life style until cheap Third World labor suppressed wages.

link?

Immigration, Meat Packing, and Trade: Implications for Iowa -- Wallace E. Huffman and John A. Miranowski - Changing Face | Migration Dialogue


"During the past decade, rapid immigration of minority groups into California, Texas, and Florida has caused a significant increase in the supply of low-skilled (-educated) workers and in households that have less than U.S. average income. These changes are impacting small towns and cities. In Iowa (and some other Midwestern states), immigrants from minority groups are a much smaller share of the total workforce than in border states, but rapid increases in their numbers have occurred during the past decade. Although the Iowa labor force decreased 2.3 percent over 1980 to 1990, large increases in Spanish-origin/Hispanics and Asian-origin population occurred. The increase in the labor force for Asian-origin individuals has been much larger than for Hispanics (60% versus 17% during 1980-90). No change has occurred in the number of blacks in the Iowa labor force over this time period. See table 1, section A."



"Average real hourly earning in meat packing and meat processing rose from 1960 to about 1980, with the rate being higher in meat packing, then real average hourly earnings in these subindustries started a 15 year decline, where the rate of decline was slower in meat processing than meat packing (see figure 2). Since 1981, average hourly earnings in meat processing have exceeded the rate for meat packing. Real average hourly earnings in poultry slaughtering and processing have been basically unchanged over 1972-1995 and significantly below the rate for meat packing and meat processing. A notable long term trend is the decline of the real average hourly earning of meat packing and meat processing toward the level of poultry slaughter and processing (see figure 2)."

No where in the article does it say anything about middle class jobs fail.

"These changes are impacting small towns and cities".
Try the art of inference.

There was no actual inference or I would have said so.

 

[charwin95]

I don't have a problem with building a wall. It would put some Americans to work. I don't know how effective it would be, but it seemed quite effective for East and West Germany. It's probably better for the economy than mass deportations.

Let's not forget who built that wall in Berlin and also why: It was to keep people in, not out plus anyone who wanted out was shot.

Also, it was only 97ish miles long, not 1900+.

The willingness to shoot people is the only thing that would make the Berlin Wall more effective. However, the people trying to cross the wall were far more motivated than the people crossing our Southern border. It's not like Mexico is some Stalinist hell hole.

Exactly what kind of people are you........ Murderer? We are not in the business of murdering people..
Illegal crossing is a trickle ............ We do not need the stupid wall.
The wall was estimated at 25 billions excluding maintenance and design ................. If 200 illegals was able to get through a year. Is the 25+ billions worth the cost? Compared to 500k over stay tourists visa.

 

[georgephillip]

Every business that hires anyone must take fingerprints and photos of everyone who applies for a job. These prints/photos are then emailed to a central database to verify the applicant isn't in the country illegally.

Do you see any constitutional problems with this? Are you really that frightened by migrants and Muslims?

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, because we can't learn anything by studying the past.

obviously you never have.

How is that "obvious?" I think people who believe you can learn nothing from the past are far more likely to learn nothing from the past. For instance, you never learned that socialism doesn't work.

you've proven my point for me.

How?

it's obvious.

Do you really think you're fooling anyone, douche bag?

 

[daws101]

obviously you never have.

How is that "obvious?" I think people who believe you can learn nothing from the past are far more likely to learn nothing from the past. For instance, you never learned that socialism doesn't work.

you've proven my point for me.

How?

it's obvious.

Do you really think you're fooling anyone, douche bag?

I'm not trying to fool anyone .
Why do you persist in being one?

 

[bripat9643]

How is that "obvious?" I think people who believe you can learn nothing from the past are far more likely to learn nothing from the past. For instance, you never learned that socialism doesn't work.

you've proven my point for me.

How?

it's obvious.

Do you really think you're fooling anyone, douche bag?

I'm not trying to fool anyone .
Why do you persist in being one?

You made it obvious to everyone in this forum that you're a lying douche bag moron.

 

[daws101]

you've proven my point for me.

How?

it's obvious.

Do you really think you're fooling anyone, douche bag?

I'm not trying to fool anyone .
Why do you persist in being one?

You made it obvious to everyone in this forum that you're a lying douche bag moron.

You are obviously wrong.
Who's everyone other than a appeal to the masses fallicy?

 

[bripat9643]

I don't have a problem with building a wall. It would put some Americans to work. I don't know how effective it would be, but it seemed quite effective for East and West Germany. It's probably better for the economy than mass deportations.

Let's not forget who built that wall in Berlin and also why: It was to keep people in, not out plus anyone who wanted out was shot.

Also, it was only 97ish miles long, not 1900+.

The willingness to shoot people is the only thing that would make the Berlin Wall more effective. However, the people trying to cross the wall were far more motivated than the people crossing our Southern border. It's not like Mexico is some Stalinist hell hole.

Exactly what kind of people are you........ Murderer? We are not in the business of murdering people..

Where did I say I endorsed murdering people? I've been saying you're a douche bag since you entered this thread, and you just proved that you are so low that you look up to douche bags. Why do you imagine anyone would pay attention to a thing you say when you just proved what a dishonest scum bag you are?

Illegal crossing is a trickle ............ We do not need the stupid wall.
The wall was estimated at 25 billions excluding maintenance and design ................. If 200 illegals was able to get through a year. Is the 25+ billions worth the cost? Compared to 500k over stay tourists visa.

1. Illegal immigration is not a trickle, it's a flood. If your figure of 500 k tourist visa overstays is correct, then that means about 700K coming across the border. Your own posted figures contradict your sleazy claims.
2. No one but you has said the fence will cost $25 billion. The real cost is more like $10 billion. Even at your price, it's a bargain if it stops any significant fraction of 700K illegals pouring over our Southern border every year.
3. You're obviously and douche bag open borders traitor, so any claims you make about the cost or effectiveness of the wall will be evaluated on the basis of that knowledge.

 

[georgephillip]

I will give him my support, and he will implement policies that serve my interests.

It is a good Deal

I think it's a good deal for those who are desperate to distract from what is actually tearing the US apart.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/donald-trump-immigration.html?_r=0
"Finding those immigrants would be difficult, experts said. Police officers across the country would need to ask people for proof of residency or citizenship during traffic stops and street encounters.

"The Border Patrol would need highway checkpoints across the Southwest and near the Canadian border.

"To avoid racial profiling, any American could expect to be stopped and asked for papers..."

"Large-scale raids, rare under Mr. Obama, would resume at farms, factories, restaurants and construction sites, with agents arresting hundreds of workers and poring over company records. And prosecutors would bring criminal charges against employers hiring unauthorized immigrants."

 

[georgephillip]

What would be wrong with local, state, and county officers being allowed to arrest and detain illegals. At one time all law enforcement was allowed to arrest for being a illegal immigrant.

How were you trained to spot an illegal immigrant?
Google
"Racial profiling is the use of an individual's race or ethnicity as a key factor in deciding whether to engage in enforcement (e.g. stop and search or arrest). The practice is controversial and is illegal in many jurisdictions. It should not be confused with offender profiling, which is an investigative tool."

 

[charwin95]

Wow! Thanks for showing the true you. Now, you've been outed.

how am I outed ?
nothing I've said is false.

Outed as a rotten POS who wants to use illegals for cheap labor at the cost of American low skilled workers and taxpayers.

You are a traitor.

Yes, the reason that low skill Americans don't do those jobs is because the wages are artificially low due to the importation of illegals to do them

That is incorrect......... We have pay scale...... and we do not have illegals Low skilled Americans just won't do the jobs.......... Take it from a real life experience. Not from these link and links crap.

take it from a career manager/management consultant/entrepreneur. You're full of shit, Americans won't work for illegal Mexican worker wages, but they will work for not a heck of a lot when you don't artificially fuck them of their jobs

Bullcrap..... Career manager of what? Shooting range? Or pulling carts at walmart? Based from your ignorant post....... Do you expect me to believe you?
There are some Americans working at illegal pay.
There are some Americans working just for food.
There are lots Americans that will not or not willing to take jobs because it's too hard for them. Not because of pay. Like my company.
Illegals are not taking over high paying jobs and there are no illegals wondering around in a corporate world. I'm sure you don't know that either.
I'm in the business of medical instruments, consumables and reagents based in San Diego. My warehouses are in Allentown, Atlanta and San Diego......... This is where my big problems about Americans not sticking around. I do not have illegals.
On the side I'm also involved in the construction business.

 

[daws101]

how am I outed ?
nothing I've said is false.

Outed as a rotten POS who wants to use illegals for cheap labor at the cost of American low skilled workers and taxpayers.

You are a traitor.

Yes, the reason that low skill Americans don't do those jobs is because the wages are artificially low due to the importation of illegals to do them

That is incorrect......... We have pay scale...... and we do not have illegals Low skilled Americans just won't do the jobs.......... Take it from a real life experience. Not from these link and links crap.

take it from a career manager/management consultant/entrepreneur. You're full of shit, Americans won't work for illegal Mexican worker wages, but they will work for not a heck of a lot when you don't artificially fuck them of their jobs

Bullcrap..... Career manager of what? Shooting range? Or pulling carts at walmart? Based from your ignorant post....... Do you expect me to believe you?
There are some Americans working at illegal pay.
There are some Americans working just for food.
There are lots Americans that will not or not willing to take jobs because it's too hard for them. Not because of pay. Like my company.
Illegals are not taking over high paying jobs and there are no illegals wondering around in a corporate world. I'm sure you don't know that either.
I'm in the business of medical instruments, consumables and reagents based in San Diego. My warehouses are in Allentown, Atlanta and San Diego......... This is where my big problems about Americans not sticking around. I do not have illegals.
On the side I'm also involved in the construction business.

Hell ,some years I made more under the table money then regular money.

 

[charwin95]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

why do you have a lawn in palm springs?
why would it need to be mowed 4 time a week?

My other house is in Palm Springs and i have grass lawn. I want it cut 3x a month......... Not 3x a week......... my error.

 

[charwin95]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

I have a middle aged white guy do my small lawn, 20$ a visit. Never any problems.

The problem with that is you lie a lot........... Most of your students here are somewhat deliriously stupid........ electrify the fence, murder people, gator, racist bullshits......... Do you expect those kind of opinion to be serious or just plain stupidity?

I only hire Americans, and that includes Legal Immigrants.
If they're good, I tip them.
I always offer a drink and even lunch if their job rakes long enough.
Not everyone's a Neo-Con asshole.

If you are following this thread...... My company is predominantly white. But the problem I'm having are in my 3 warehouses. No illegals.

 

[bripat9643]

Outed as a rotten POS who wants to use illegals for cheap labor at the cost of American low skilled workers and taxpayers.

You are a traitor.

Yes, the reason that low skill Americans don't do those jobs is because the wages are artificially low due to the importation of illegals to do them

That is incorrect......... We have pay scale...... and we do not have illegals Low skilled Americans just won't do the jobs.......... Take it from a real life experience. Not from these link and links crap.

take it from a career manager/management consultant/entrepreneur. You're full of shit, Americans won't work for illegal Mexican worker wages, but they will work for not a heck of a lot when you don't artificially fuck them of their jobs

Bullcrap..... Career manager of what? Shooting range? Or pulling carts at walmart? Based from your ignorant post....... Do you expect me to believe you?
There are some Americans working at illegal pay.
There are some Americans working just for food.
There are lots Americans that will not or not willing to take jobs because it's too hard for them. Not because of pay. Like my company.
Illegals are not taking over high paying jobs and there are no illegals wondering around in a corporate world. I'm sure you don't know that either.
I'm in the business of medical instruments, consumables and reagents based in San Diego. My warehouses are in Allentown, Atlanta and San Diego......... This is where my big problems about Americans not sticking around. I do not have illegals.
On the side I'm also involved in the construction business.

Hell ,some years I made more under the table money then regular money.

Meanwhile, you voted to raise taxes on the rest of us.

How beautifully liberal!

 

[bripat9643]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

I have a middle aged white guy do my small lawn, 20$ a visit. Never any problems.

The problem with that is you lie a lot........... Most of your students here are somewhat deliriously stupid........ electrify the fence, murder people, gator, racist bullshits......... Do you expect those kind of opinion to be serious or just plain stupidity?

I only hire Americans, and that includes Legal Immigrants.
If they're good, I tip them.
I always offer a drink and even lunch if their job rakes long enough.
Not everyone's a Neo-Con asshole.

If you are following this thread...... My company is predominantly white. But the problem I'm having are in my 3 warehouses. No illegals.

So you're looking for some cheap immigrant labor to staff them?

 

[daws101]

In addition to my swimming pool business experiences trying to hire people, I also hire someone every year to trim my citrus trees, and handle some other odd jobs at my home. The first guy was about 50 years old, white, and collecting some sort of disability benefits, which would have been taken from him if he left a paper trail of money. he demanded $50 per hour in cash.

The second guy was white, about 30 years old, and did not show up.

The third was white, about 60 years old, and a thief and a druggie. he never completed the task, because the sheriff caught up up with him and threw him in the slammer.

The last was latino, about 45. I have no idea if he is an illegal, or not. He charges $20 per hour, and never misses a day. If his pick up won't start, his cousin's will. I have referred him to three of my friends.

My gardener in Palm Spring is white 65 yo. I pay him $120 a month 3x a week no more than 45 minutes job. Anything little extra will cost me more.
My next door neighbor gardener is a Hispanic around 40s. He pay him $85 month for cutting his grass 4 times a week and a little larger than mine.
I want to get rid of my gardener but I feel sorry for this guy because of his age and only income. But my other neighbors did not have that kind of mercy so he lost most of his business in our street.

why do you have a lawn in palm springs?
why would it need to be mowed 4 time a week?

My other house is in Palm Springs and i have grass lawn. I want it cut 3x a month......... Not 3x a week......... my error.

I thought so !

 

[daws101]

Yes, the reason that low skill Americans don't do those jobs is because the wages are artificially low due to the importation of illegals to do them

That is incorrect......... We have pay scale...... and we do not have illegals Low skilled Americans just won't do the jobs.......... Take it from a real life experience. Not from these link and links crap.

take it from a career manager/management consultant/entrepreneur. You're full of shit, Americans won't work for illegal Mexican worker wages, but they will work for not a heck of a lot when you don't artificially fuck them of their jobs

Bullcrap..... Career manager of what? Shooting range? Or pulling carts at walmart? Based from your ignorant post....... Do you expect me to believe you?
There are some Americans working at illegal pay.
There are some Americans working just for food.
There are lots Americans that will not or not willing to take jobs because it's too hard for them. Not because of pay. Like my company.
Illegals are not taking over high paying jobs and there are no illegals wondering around in a corporate world. I'm sure you don't know that either.
I'm in the business of medical instruments, consumables and reagents based in San Diego. My warehouses are in Allentown, Atlanta and San Diego......... This is where my big problems about Americans not sticking around. I do not have illegals.
On the side I'm also involved in the construction business.

Hell ,some years I made more under the table money then regular money.

Meanwhile, you voted to raise taxes on the rest of us.

How beautifully liberal!

I did?
Any more false accusations?