Could Trump Actually Deport 11 Million People?

[kaz]

You can believe whatever you want, but there is no evidence of that. The only evidence is that they won't do it for the wages illegals will. There is no evidence you can't hire people to do any job as long as the market sets wages. You keep them artificially low by importing illegals to do it costing Americans jobs.

Wages are depressed by imported farm labor, even so, the work itself will likely go undone if left to the domestic market without a drastic rise in wage rate:

"In 1960, half of all the native-born men in the U.S. labor force were high school dropouts eager to take unskilled outdoor jobs in agriculture and construction.

"Today, fewer than 10 percent of the native-born men in the work force lack high school diplomas.

"But the economy still generates plenty of unskilled jobs, and most unskilled immigrants don't displace American workers. They fill niches — not just farmhand, but also chambermaid, busboy and others — that would otherwise go empty. And they support more skilled, more desirable jobs — foremen, accountants, waiters, chefs and more — at the businesses where they work and others in the surrounding community.

"Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job?

"Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job.

"Farmers have been trying that — for decades.

"They raise the wage.

"They recruit in inner cities.

"They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits.

"Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weather. And of course, at some point, there are limits to how high a wage a grower or dairy farmer can pay before he is forced out of business by a farmer who produces the same commodity in another country, where the labor actually is cheap."
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble - NYTimes.com
IMHO, based on the five or six years I spent working in California citrus orchards, domestic labor will never put up with all the negatives of farm labor unless the government subsidizes their pay in some way.

Today, having just a high school diploma is not much better than having no high school diploma. Lol.

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

glad you mentioned that .....


Trump owns companies that have sought to import at least 1,100 foreign workers on temporary visas since 2000, according to U.S. Department of Labor data reviewed by Reuters. Most of the applications were approved, the data show.

Nine companies majority-owned by Trump have sought to bring in foreign waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and other laborers on temporary work-visa programs administered by the Labor Department.

The candidate's foreign talent hunt included applications for an assistant golf-course superintendent, an assistant hotel manager and a banquet manager.

Two of his companies, Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC, have sought visas for nearly 250 foreign fashion models, the records show.

Trump’s presidential campaign and a lawyer for the businessman declined to comment. The Mar-a-Lago Club could not be reached for comment.



DEPORT THEM .... IMPORT THEM ... right in front of your eyes, then refuse to comment.

You people are always arguing that Democrats get to follow the rules as they are, like Slick Willey demanding reductions in the ability to raise corporate money while he put on a dress and danced on a table for the money. Well, that was the rule as it was you kept saying.

Now all of a sudden that it's a Republican it's a standard for you that he follow the rules as he is going to propose when he runs for President years and decades ago. Your indignation is feigned ...

I didnt say squat, I merely posted a link showing the hypocrisy of Trump so I could see all the chimps defend him ...banana kaz?

The point you made with that was exactly what I said. You want some cheese with your whine?

 

[Siete]

Wages are depressed by imported farm labor, even so, the work itself will likely go undone if left to the domestic market without a drastic rise in wage rate:

"In 1960, half of all the native-born men in the U.S. labor force were high school dropouts eager to take unskilled outdoor jobs in agriculture and construction.

"Today, fewer than 10 percent of the native-born men in the work force lack high school diplomas.

"But the economy still generates plenty of unskilled jobs, and most unskilled immigrants don't displace American workers. They fill niches — not just farmhand, but also chambermaid, busboy and others — that would otherwise go empty. And they support more skilled, more desirable jobs — foremen, accountants, waiters, chefs and more — at the businesses where they work and others in the surrounding community.

"Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job?

"Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job.

"Farmers have been trying that — for decades.

"They raise the wage.

"They recruit in inner cities.

"They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits.

"Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weather. And of course, at some point, there are limits to how high a wage a grower or dairy farmer can pay before he is forced out of business by a farmer who produces the same commodity in another country, where the labor actually is cheap."
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble - NYTimes.com
IMHO, based on the five or six years I spent working in California citrus orchards, domestic labor will never put up with all the negatives of farm labor unless the government subsidizes their pay in some way.

Today, having just a high school diploma is not much better than having no high school diploma. Lol.

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

glad you mentioned that .....


Trump owns companies that have sought to import at least 1,100 foreign workers on temporary visas since 2000, according to U.S. Department of Labor data reviewed by Reuters. Most of the applications were approved, the data show.

Nine companies majority-owned by Trump have sought to bring in foreign waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and other laborers on temporary work-visa programs administered by the Labor Department.

The candidate's foreign talent hunt included applications for an assistant golf-course superintendent, an assistant hotel manager and a banquet manager.

Two of his companies, Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC, have sought visas for nearly 250 foreign fashion models, the records show.

Trump’s presidential campaign and a lawyer for the businessman declined to comment. The Mar-a-Lago Club could not be reached for comment.



DEPORT THEM .... IMPORT THEM ... right in front of your eyes, then refuse to comment.

You people are always arguing that Democrats get to follow the rules as they are, like Slick Willey demanding reductions in the ability to raise corporate money while he put on a dress and danced on a table for the money. Well, that was the rule as it was you kept saying.

Now all of a sudden that it's a Republican it's a standard for you that he follow the rules as he is going to propose when he runs for President years and decades ago. Your indignation is feigned ...

I didnt say squat, I merely posted a link showing the hypocrisy of Trump so I could see all the chimps defend him ...banana kaz?

The point you made with that was exactly what I said. You want some cheese with your whine?

no thanks, but I'll offer an apology with your banana.

 

[kaz]

Today, having just a high school diploma is not much better than having no high school diploma. Lol.

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

glad you mentioned that .....


Trump owns companies that have sought to import at least 1,100 foreign workers on temporary visas since 2000, according to U.S. Department of Labor data reviewed by Reuters. Most of the applications were approved, the data show.

Nine companies majority-owned by Trump have sought to bring in foreign waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and other laborers on temporary work-visa programs administered by the Labor Department.

The candidate's foreign talent hunt included applications for an assistant golf-course superintendent, an assistant hotel manager and a banquet manager.

Two of his companies, Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC, have sought visas for nearly 250 foreign fashion models, the records show.

Trump’s presidential campaign and a lawyer for the businessman declined to comment. The Mar-a-Lago Club could not be reached for comment.



DEPORT THEM .... IMPORT THEM ... right in front of your eyes, then refuse to comment.

You people are always arguing that Democrats get to follow the rules as they are, like Slick Willey demanding reductions in the ability to raise corporate money while he put on a dress and danced on a table for the money. Well, that was the rule as it was you kept saying.

Now all of a sudden that it's a Republican it's a standard for you that he follow the rules as he is going to propose when he runs for President years and decades ago. Your indignation is feigned ...

I didnt say squat, I merely posted a link showing the hypocrisy of Trump so I could see all the chimps defend him ...banana kaz?

The point you made with that was exactly what I said. You want some cheese with your whine?

no thanks, but I'll offer an apology with your banana.

 

[charwin95]

Dats bery panny coming from people who do not have experience about labor and job market. Both parties are taking advantage of slave labor. Keep that in mind. There is no such thing as oh..... I'm a republican I will not advocate slave labor. That's crap.
There are jobs available for low unskilled American workers......... But where the FUCK are they? I know people that own restaurants and franchises such as Jack in the box and McDonald's............. I have relatives in Seattle that own 3 big sea food restaurants............ They cannot find Americans that will work in their kitchens except Hispanic or Asians. They do not see Americans applying for these jobs. Some come up maybe they are embarrassed to work with immigrants.
In my 3 warehouses alone THIS IS A PROBLEM.................. But when they do some of them have college degrees that they cannot find a job anywhere........ Then quit the same day or the next day.

 

[charwin95]

As for illegals on farms, that's where you're OK with illegals taking the jobs of Americans and driving wages so low that legals don't want to do it since you offer them more money to do nothing. Nice job. I thought you were against exporting jobs

I don't believe enough US citizens will work in farm labor because of the long hours in often brutal heat or cold. I also doubt enough US citizens will move their families multiple times every year in order to follow the crops. In general, I believe if capital is free to cross national borders in pursuit of greater profits, then labor should enjoy the same rights.

You can believe whatever you want, but there is no evidence of that. The only evidence is that they won't do it for the wages illegals will. There is no evidence you can't hire people to do any job as long as the market sets wages. You keep them artificially low by importing illegals to do it costing Americans jobs.

Wages are depressed by imported farm labor, even so, the work itself will likely go undone if left to the domestic market without a drastic rise in wage rate:

"In 1960, half of all the native-born men in the U.S. labor force were high school dropouts eager to take unskilled outdoor jobs in agriculture and construction.

"Today, fewer than 10 percent of the native-born men in the work force lack high school diplomas.

"But the economy still generates plenty of unskilled jobs, and most unskilled immigrants don't displace American workers. They fill niches — not just farmhand, but also chambermaid, busboy and others — that would otherwise go empty. And they support more skilled, more desirable jobs — foremen, accountants, waiters, chefs and more — at the businesses where they work and others in the surrounding community.

"Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job?

"Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job.

"Farmers have been trying that — for decades.

"They raise the wage.

"They recruit in inner cities.

"They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits.

"Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weather. And of course, at some point, there are limits to how high a wage a grower or dairy farmer can pay before he is forced out of business by a farmer who produces the same commodity in another country, where the labor actually is cheap."
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble - NYTimes.com
IMHO, based on the five or six years I spent working in California citrus orchards, domestic labor will never put up with all the negatives of farm labor unless the government subsidizes their pay in some way.

Today, having just a high school diploma is not much better than having no high school diploma. Lol.

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

glad you mentioned that .....


Trump owns companies that have sought to import at least 1,100 foreign workers on temporary visas since 2000, according to U.S. Department of Labor data reviewed by Reuters. Most of the applications were approved, the data show.

Nine companies majority-owned by Trump have sought to bring in foreign waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and other laborers on temporary work-visa programs administered by the Labor Department.

The candidate's foreign talent hunt included applications for an assistant golf-course superintendent, an assistant hotel manager and a banquet manager.

Two of his companies, Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC, have sought visas for nearly 250 foreign fashion models, the records show.

Trump’s presidential campaign and a lawyer for the businessman declined to comment. The Mar-a-Lago Club could not be reached for comment.



DEPORT THEM .... IMPORT THEM ... right in front of your eyes, then refuse to comment.

Sorry siete....... You are dealing with people who do not have experience in real life.
Having a hs diploma is no better than no high school diploma....... Think how stupid that is.
Landscaping is a good example of unskilled labor....... If you ask for a bid between asian american citizen gardener and American white gardener............ I can assure you 100% American white is a lot higher.
If you ask asian and hispanic the price is close to each other. Obviously who do you think *SHE* will pick?
Currently I am using Molly Maids to clean both of my houses once a week for as long as I remember. They are Asian or Hispanics not sure if they are us citizen or not but they speak good English. They are getting paid between 9.50 to $11/ hour. I ask the owner how come I do not see whites......... She told me most ask $12 to $15. One of my neighbors about 5 houses down used to cut his own grass...... Then he found an asian gardener gardener that will do it for $60/month 2times a month no more than 30 minutes each.

 

[kaz]

I don't believe enough US citizens will work in farm labor because of the long hours in often brutal heat or cold. I also doubt enough US citizens will move their families multiple times every year in order to follow the crops. In general, I believe if capital is free to cross national borders in pursuit of greater profits, then labor should enjoy the same rights.

You can believe whatever you want, but there is no evidence of that. The only evidence is that they won't do it for the wages illegals will. There is no evidence you can't hire people to do any job as long as the market sets wages. You keep them artificially low by importing illegals to do it costing Americans jobs.

Wages are depressed by imported farm labor, even so, the work itself will likely go undone if left to the domestic market without a drastic rise in wage rate:

"In 1960, half of all the native-born men in the U.S. labor force were high school dropouts eager to take unskilled outdoor jobs in agriculture and construction.

"Today, fewer than 10 percent of the native-born men in the work force lack high school diplomas.

"But the economy still generates plenty of unskilled jobs, and most unskilled immigrants don't displace American workers. They fill niches — not just farmhand, but also chambermaid, busboy and others — that would otherwise go empty. And they support more skilled, more desirable jobs — foremen, accountants, waiters, chefs and more — at the businesses where they work and others in the surrounding community.

"Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job?

"Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job.

"Farmers have been trying that — for decades.

"They raise the wage.

"They recruit in inner cities.

"They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits.

"Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weather. And of course, at some point, there are limits to how high a wage a grower or dairy farmer can pay before he is forced out of business by a farmer who produces the same commodity in another country, where the labor actually is cheap."
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble - NYTimes.com
IMHO, based on the five or six years I spent working in California citrus orchards, domestic labor will never put up with all the negatives of farm labor unless the government subsidizes their pay in some way.

Today, having just a high school diploma is not much better than having no high school diploma. Lol.

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

glad you mentioned that .....


Trump owns companies that have sought to import at least 1,100 foreign workers on temporary visas since 2000, according to U.S. Department of Labor data reviewed by Reuters. Most of the applications were approved, the data show.

Nine companies majority-owned by Trump have sought to bring in foreign waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and other laborers on temporary work-visa programs administered by the Labor Department.

The candidate's foreign talent hunt included applications for an assistant golf-course superintendent, an assistant hotel manager and a banquet manager.

Two of his companies, Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC, have sought visas for nearly 250 foreign fashion models, the records show.

Trump’s presidential campaign and a lawyer for the businessman declined to comment. The Mar-a-Lago Club could not be reached for comment.



DEPORT THEM .... IMPORT THEM ... right in front of your eyes, then refuse to comment.

Sorry siete....... You are dealing with people who do not have experience in real life.
Having a hs diploma is no better than no high school diploma....... Think how stupid that is.
Landscaping is a good example of unskilled labor....... If you ask for a bid between asian american citizen gardener and American white gardener............ I can assure you 100% American white is a lot higher.
If you ask asian and hispanic the price is close to each other. Obviously who do you think *SHE* will pick?
Currently I am using Molly Maids to clean both of my houses once a week for as long as I remember. They are Asian or Hispanics not sure if they are us citizen or not but they speak good English. They are getting paid between 9.50 to $11/ hour. I ask the owner how come I do not see whites......... She told me most ask $12 to $15. One of my neighbors about 5 houses down used to cut his own grass...... Then he found an asian gardener gardener that will do it for $60/month 2times a month no more than 30 minutes each.

Isn't that cute. Two liberals who think liberal lawyers are the purveyor all knowledge in "real life" and they should be worshiped and repeated unquestioningly at all times

 

[daws101]

You can believe whatever you want, but there is no evidence of that. The only evidence is that they won't do it for the wages illegals will. There is no evidence you can't hire people to do any job as long as the market sets wages. You keep them artificially low by importing illegals to do it costing Americans jobs.

Wages are depressed by imported farm labor, even so, the work itself will likely go undone if left to the domestic market without a drastic rise in wage rate:

"In 1960, half of all the native-born men in the U.S. labor force were high school dropouts eager to take unskilled outdoor jobs in agriculture and construction.

"Today, fewer than 10 percent of the native-born men in the work force lack high school diplomas.

"But the economy still generates plenty of unskilled jobs, and most unskilled immigrants don't displace American workers. They fill niches — not just farmhand, but also chambermaid, busboy and others — that would otherwise go empty. And they support more skilled, more desirable jobs — foremen, accountants, waiters, chefs and more — at the businesses where they work and others in the surrounding community.

"Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job?

"Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job.

"Farmers have been trying that — for decades.

"They raise the wage.

"They recruit in inner cities.

"They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits.

"Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weather. And of course, at some point, there are limits to how high a wage a grower or dairy farmer can pay before he is forced out of business by a farmer who produces the same commodity in another country, where the labor actually is cheap."
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble - NYTimes.com
IMHO, based on the five or six years I spent working in California citrus orchards, domestic labor will never put up with all the negatives of farm labor unless the government subsidizes their pay in some way.

Today, having just a high school diploma is not much better than having no high school diploma. Lol.

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

glad you mentioned that .....


Trump owns companies that have sought to import at least 1,100 foreign workers on temporary visas since 2000, according to U.S. Department of Labor data reviewed by Reuters. Most of the applications were approved, the data show.

Nine companies majority-owned by Trump have sought to bring in foreign waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and other laborers on temporary work-visa programs administered by the Labor Department.

The candidate's foreign talent hunt included applications for an assistant golf-course superintendent, an assistant hotel manager and a banquet manager.

Two of his companies, Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC, have sought visas for nearly 250 foreign fashion models, the records show.

Trump’s presidential campaign and a lawyer for the businessman declined to comment. The Mar-a-Lago Club could not be reached for comment.



DEPORT THEM .... IMPORT THEM ... right in front of your eyes, then refuse to comment.

Sorry siete....... You are dealing with people who do not have experience in real life.
Having a hs diploma is no better than no high school diploma....... Think how stupid that is.
Landscaping is a good example of unskilled labor....... If you ask for a bid between asian american citizen gardener and American white gardener............ I can assure you 100% American white is a lot higher.
If you ask asian and hispanic the price is close to each other. Obviously who do you think *SHE* will pick?
Currently I am using Molly Maids to clean both of my houses once a week for as long as I remember. They are Asian or Hispanics not sure if they are us citizen or not but they speak good English. They are getting paid between 9.50 to $11/ hour. I ask the owner how come I do not see whites......... She told me most ask $12 to $15. One of my neighbors about 5 houses down used to cut his own grass...... Then he found an asian gardener gardener that will do it for $60/month 2times a month no more than 30 minutes each.

Isn't that cute. Two liberals who think liberal lawyers are the purveyor all knowledge in "real life" and they should be worshiped and repeated unquestioningly at all times

Yep no real life experience at all.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Most of that is illegal and inhumane .
On second thought maybe you should live for a year under those conditions .

I don't have to live like that, I'm a native born US citizen.

That's the point. They are NOT US citizens and shouldn't just be able to come over here illegally and enjoy the benefits of such.

But then again, you are a dumb fuck, so no one expects you to understand that .

Hey slapdick my point is if you did live like that .
Your citizenship is no guarantee of benefits.
Should is irrelevant .
Attempt to stay in reality.

Actually dumb shit, my citizenship IS a guarantee of rights. That's the entire fucking point of the 13th,14th,and 15th fucking Amendments.

Come on, you morons make this too fucking easy.

Partisans always make it easy to pick them apart.

That's because partisans have an IQ roughly equivalent to that of a chimpanzee, I mean any thinking person could surely realize that no one ideology is always right, or wrong. Or that all practitioners of any one ideology are not evil nor saints.

...and yet, you are always right, and they are always wrong. Amazing!

 

[charwin95]

You can believe whatever you want, but there is no evidence of that. The only evidence is that they won't do it for the wages illegals will. There is no evidence you can't hire people to do any job as long as the market sets wages. You keep them artificially low by importing illegals to do it costing Americans jobs.

Wages are depressed by imported farm labor, even so, the work itself will likely go undone if left to the domestic market without a drastic rise in wage rate:

"In 1960, half of all the native-born men in the U.S. labor force were high school dropouts eager to take unskilled outdoor jobs in agriculture and construction.

"Today, fewer than 10 percent of the native-born men in the work force lack high school diplomas.

"But the economy still generates plenty of unskilled jobs, and most unskilled immigrants don't displace American workers. They fill niches — not just farmhand, but also chambermaid, busboy and others — that would otherwise go empty. And they support more skilled, more desirable jobs — foremen, accountants, waiters, chefs and more — at the businesses where they work and others in the surrounding community.

"Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job?

"Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job.

"Farmers have been trying that — for decades.

"They raise the wage.

"They recruit in inner cities.

"They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits.

"Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weather. And of course, at some point, there are limits to how high a wage a grower or dairy farmer can pay before he is forced out of business by a farmer who produces the same commodity in another country, where the labor actually is cheap."
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble - NYTimes.com
IMHO, based on the five or six years I spent working in California citrus orchards, domestic labor will never put up with all the negatives of farm labor unless the government subsidizes their pay in some way.

Today, having just a high school diploma is not much better than having no high school diploma. Lol.

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

glad you mentioned that .....


Trump owns companies that have sought to import at least 1,100 foreign workers on temporary visas since 2000, according to U.S. Department of Labor data reviewed by Reuters. Most of the applications were approved, the data show.

Nine companies majority-owned by Trump have sought to bring in foreign waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and other laborers on temporary work-visa programs administered by the Labor Department.

The candidate's foreign talent hunt included applications for an assistant golf-course superintendent, an assistant hotel manager and a banquet manager.

Two of his companies, Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC, have sought visas for nearly 250 foreign fashion models, the records show.

Trump’s presidential campaign and a lawyer for the businessman declined to comment. The Mar-a-Lago Club could not be reached for comment.



DEPORT THEM .... IMPORT THEM ... right in front of your eyes, then refuse to comment.

Sorry siete....... You are dealing with people who do not have experience in real life.
Having a hs diploma is no better than no high school diploma....... Think how stupid that is.
Landscaping is a good example of unskilled labor....... If you ask for a bid between asian american citizen gardener and American white gardener............ I can assure you 100% American white is a lot higher.
If you ask asian and hispanic the price is close to each other. Obviously who do you think *SHE* will pick?
Currently I am using Molly Maids to clean both of my houses once a week for as long as I remember. They are Asian or Hispanics not sure if they are us citizen or not but they speak good English. They are getting paid between 9.50 to $11/ hour. I ask the owner how come I do not see whites......... She told me most ask $12 to $15. One of my neighbors about 5 houses down used to cut his own grass...... Then he found an asian gardener gardener that will do it for $60/month 2times a month no more than 30 minutes each.

Isn't that cute. Two liberals who think liberal lawyers are the purveyor all knowledge in "real life" and they should be worshiped and repeated unquestioningly at all times

Look poquito burrito and your taco folder girl friend.............. do you have anything to contribute? Or any suggestion in solving this problem?

 

[georgephillip]

The fact is that there are plenty of unskilled workers in America who are losing out on jobs to illegals because employers can skirt the laws by employing them. People gave good examples of this in this thread . . . those who mentioned hiring illegals to do their landscaping or housecleaning because it is "cheaper." Ta da!!! There's the proof in front of your eyes.

How do you justify denying labor the same right to migration as capital currently possesses?

I agree there are many urban jobs lost to domestic labor because immigrants work cheaper and harder. Farm labor is an entirely separate beast, imho.

 

[georgephillip]

As for illegals on farms, that's where you're OK with illegals taking the jobs of Americans and driving wages so low that legals don't want to do it since you offer them more money to do nothing. Nice job. I thought you were against exporting jobs

I don't believe enough US citizens will work in farm labor because of the long hours in often brutal heat or cold. I also doubt enough US citizens will move their families multiple times every year in order to follow the crops. In general, I believe if capital is free to cross national borders in pursuit of greater profits, then labor should enjoy the same rights.

You can believe whatever you want, but there is no evidence of that. The only evidence is that they won't do it for the wages illegals will. There is no evidence you can't hire people to do any job as long as the market sets wages. You keep them artificially low by importing illegals to do it costing Americans jobs.

Wages are depressed by imported farm labor, even so, the work itself will likely go undone if left to the domestic market without a drastic rise in wage rate:

"In 1960, half of all the native-born men in the U.S. labor force were high school dropouts eager to take unskilled outdoor jobs in agriculture and construction.

"Today, fewer than 10 percent of the native-born men in the work force lack high school diplomas.

"But the economy still generates plenty of unskilled jobs, and most unskilled immigrants don't displace American workers. They fill niches — not just farmhand, but also chambermaid, busboy and others — that would otherwise go empty. And they support more skilled, more desirable jobs — foremen, accountants, waiters, chefs and more — at the businesses where they work and others in the surrounding community.

"Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job?

"Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job.

"Farmers have been trying that — for decades.

"They raise the wage.

"They recruit in inner cities.

"They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits.

"Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weather. And of course, at some point, there are limits to how high a wage a grower or dairy farmer can pay before he is forced out of business by a farmer who produces the same commodity in another country, where the labor actually is cheap."
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble - NYTimes.com
IMHO, based on the five or six years I spent working in California citrus orchards, domestic labor will never put up with all the negatives of farm labor unless the government subsidizes their pay in some way.

We can't pick fruit in this country without illegals to do it without minimum wages, taxes, unemployment, FICA, medical or other benefits. Got it. What a load of crap

"Seth Holmes, a doctor and anthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley, spent more than a year and half with migrant farmworkers from Mexico — many of them are from the same isolated town in the southern state of Oaxaca — for his book 'Fresh Fruit, Broken Bodies: Migrant Farmworkers in the United States.'”
What's it like to be a migrant farmworker? One anthropologist lived and worked alongside them.
I doubt there's ever been a time in the last century when US farmers did not rely on migrant labor to harvest their crops.

Maybe you know better?

 

[charwin95]

You cannot make sense with people who are anti-immigrants. They think we can survive with just white American workers.

 

[georgephillip]

You cannot make sense with people who are anti-immigrants. They think we can survive with just white American workers.

These numbers are not encouraging for those folks:

"If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following.

"There would be:

• 57 Asians
• 21 Europeans
• 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south
• 8 Africans
  
  52 would be female
• 48 would be male
  
  70 would be non-white
• 30 would be white"

Earth'' Population as a Village of 100 People

 

[Correll]

Minimal 11 MILLION ILLEGALS taking jobs and depressing wages is a major problem that being solved would greatly serve the interests of the American Working and Middle Classes.

Immigrants, legal and otherwise, built this country in spite of the best efforts of demagogues like Donald Trump and the legions of ignorant haters they inspire.

^^^Hate this^^^instead of "illegal" immigrants unless you want to be as ignorant of the way this slave world works on your deathbed as you were on the day you were born.

I don't "hate" illegal immigrants or any immigrants.

We have a conflict of interests and I want MY INTERESTS AS AN AMERICAN TO DRIVE AMERICAN POLICY.

That's all.

Save your Race Card for someone that gives a shit about that noise.

I would be happy to comment in a thread you started on the issue of personal debt.

 

[Correll]

"A just-released Census Bureau report shows that by 2044, whites will no longer comprise a racial majority in the United States. By then, the nation — like today's Los Angeles — will be made up of a kaleidoscope of racial groups, including Latinos, blacks, Asians, Native Americans and multiracial Americans.

"This 'no racial majority' scenario, even three decades away, provokes fear in some white Americans: fear of change, of losing privileged status or of unwanted people coming into their communities.

"But it is a change that should be welcomed.

In the U.S., diversity is the new majority

Why should it be welcomed?

No more race.

Because really diverse societies with a lot of mixing have no race or ethnic issues?

Like say, America today? Or India today? Or the Soviet Union of yesteryear? Or Israel of today? Or South Africa? Or the Balkans of all times?

 

[Correll]

You cannot make sense with people who are anti-immigrants. They think we can survive with just white American workers.

Your post has no connection with reality, or anything that anyone not complete fringe has said, and certainly NOTHING to do with Trumps proposed policies.

Soooooo, That's really all there is to be said about that.

 

[Correll]

You cannot make sense with people who are anti-immigrants. They think we can survive with just white American workers.

These numbers are not encouraging for those folks:

"If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following.

"There would be:

• 57 Asians
• 21 Europeans
• 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south
• 8 Africans
  
  52 would be female
• 48 would be male
  
  70 would be non-white
• 30 would be white"

Earth'' Population as a Village of 100 People

And this means what exactly?

 

[Correll]

As for illegals on farms, that's where you're OK with illegals taking the jobs of Americans and driving wages so low that legals don't want to do it since you offer them more money to do nothing. Nice job. I thought you were against exporting jobs

I don't believe enough US citizens will work in farm labor because of the long hours in often brutal heat or cold. I also doubt enough US citizens will move their families multiple times every year in order to follow the crops. In general, I believe if capital is free to cross national borders in pursuit of greater profits, then labor should enjoy the same rights.

Capital is not free to move across borders.

Labor moving across borders against peoples wishes is a violation of their Right to Self Determination.

 

[georgephillip]

Because really diverse societies with a lot of mixing have no race or ethnic issues?

I didn't choose the best caption the first time I posted this image:

One Race.
The human race.

 

[Correll]

Wow.

I skimmed it with the intent of ridiculing it's claims about how bad America would be without immigrants.

There was nothing in the first couple of paragraphs, just empty spin.

Then as I kept going, I thought I would ridicule it for how many paragraphs it took of partisan blather before it got to the point claimed in the title.


Then before I found that point, the article ended.

That was complete nonsense.


If you think there was a point in there, you should cut and paste it, or make it in your own words.

Did you read it or you just look at the picture?

I dare you to cut and paste from the article the part where it describes what America would be like without immigrants.


It is not there. Just like I said.

Empty partisan blather.

Designed to fool only those who are willing dupes.

What an excuse......... Here's the cut and paste. I'm not fooling you......... Because you are already fooooolish as it is.


Like most of the founding generation, Cr?vecoeur believed the sheer size of the new nation meant for a prosperous future. But he was also celebrating an attitude of openness, a willingness to embrace new citizens from around the world into what he called the "melting pot" of American society.
The embrace of openness has survived, in spite of occasional outbreaks of anti-immigrant sentiment, for the intervening two and a half centuries. The United States remains an immigrant nation, in spirit as well as in fact. (A fact for which, as an immigrant from the Old Country, I am grateful). My wife is American, and my high schoolers have had U.S. passports since being born in London. Right now I’m applying for U.S. citizenship. I want America to be my home, not just my residence. My story is of course very different to most immigrants – but the point is, all of our stories are different. What unites us is our desire to be American.

But this spirit may be waning. Thanks only in part to Donald Trump, immigration is near the top of the political agenda - and not in a good way.

Trump has brilliantly exploited the imagery of The Wall to tap into the frustrations of white middle America. But America needs immigration. At the most banal level, this is a question of math. We need more young workers to fund the old age of the Baby Boomers. Overall, immigrants are good for the economy, as a recent summary of research from Brookings' Hamilton Project shows.

Of course, while immigration might be good for the economy as a whole, that does not mean it is good for everyone. Competition for wages and jobs will impact negatively on some existing residents, who may be more economically vulnerable in the first place. Policymakers keen to promote the benefits of immigration should also be attentive to its costs.

But the value of immigration cannot be reduced to an actuarial table or spreadsheet. Immigrants do not simply make America better off. They make America better. Immigrants provide a shot in the nation's arm.

Immigrants are now twice as likely to start a new business as native-born Americans. While rates of entrepreneurialism are declining among natives, they are rising among immigrants. Immigrant children typically show extraordinary upward mobility, in terms of income, occupation and education. Among children born in Los Angeles to poorly-educated Chinese immigrants, for example, an astonishing 70% omplete a four-year-college degree.
As the work of my Brookings colleague William Frey shows, immigrants are migrants within the U. S., too, moving on from traditional immigrant cities -- New York and Los Angeles -- to other towns and cities in search of a better future.

New Americans are true Americans. We need more of them. But Trump is tapping directly and dangerously into white fears of an America growing steadily browner. According to a 2011 Pew Research Center survey, more than four in ten white seniors say that a growing population of immigrants is a “change for the worse;” half of white boomers believe immigration is “a threat to traditional American customs and values.”

Immigration gets at a deep question of American identity in the 21st century. Just like people, societies age. They might also settle down, lose some dynamism. They might trade a little less openness for a little more security. In other words, they get a bit stuck in their ways. Immigrants generate dynamism and aspiration, but they are also unsettling and challenging.

Where this debate ends will therefore tell us a great deal about the trajectory of the nation. An America that closes its doors will be an America that has chosen to settle down rather than grow, allowing security to eclipse dynamism.

Disruption is not costless. But America has always weighed the benefits of dynamism and diversity more heavily. Immigration is an important way in which America hits the refresh button and renews herself. Without immigration, the nation would not only be worse off, but would cease, in some elemental sense, to be America at all.

So the article title claims to talk about what America would be like without immigrants.

Nothing in there tells that.

There are a lot unsupported assertions, such as "The United States remains an immigrant nation, in spirit as well as in fact."

or "New Americans are true Americans".


But there are no descriptions of what this immigrant-less America would look like.

Would there be a smaller population? Would we have never taken California from Mexico, or not bought Alaska from Russia?

Would Fish and CHips be our national dish?



That you could read an article claiming to tell what America would look like without immigrants, and not notice that the article tells NOTHING about what America would look like without immigrants,

demonstrates that you accept what your Authority Figures ie the Media tells you WITHOUT QUESTION.

Blind partisanship.

Scared? Better adopt.

NOthing in your post addressed anything in my post.

My point stands, the article was nothing but partisan blather, and that you thought it was impressive does nothing but remove the last vestiges of your credibility.