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The common cold has about the same chance of killing you as covid is.
The only what I can say to such a totally absurde nonsense: Learn to use your ears, learn to use your eyes and overcome your egocentralism. Or what else could be an understandable reason why you say such an unbelievable nonsense? What - for heavens sake - is your intention?
You are not referencing any facts.
For example, the 280,000 deaths out of a totally population over 330,000,000 is only 0.06%, so the death rate from covid-19 is TINY.
Second is that covid-19 should only have lasted a month or so, and the spike should then have wiped it out through herd immunity.
That would have resulted in fewer than 50,000 deaths, so then would have had a death toll no more than any seasonal flu.
The only thing that increased the death toll beyond that of any seasonal flu, was stretching out its duration by "flattening the curve". Flattening the curve of any illness will prevent herd immunity and cause any illness to stay forever.
Learn somethign about probabilities. The analogy between a safey belt and a mask is very near, if we say the chaos causes situations which are not fully under control. But we are able to avoid accidents. You speak in general a counterproductive nonsense, which helps no one.Some say they do and some say they don't."Masks help" say some million doctors and nurses worldwide.
Everyone says "masks help" and some say nonsense in this context on totally other reasons than to be interested in real solutions. Even in case someone is convinced masks don't help a normal man would use masks to show the own solidarity with the victims of covid-19 and as a symbol to be ready to fight. Masks help first of all not to infect others and they help also not to be infected. But this protection is not absolute - like for example the protection of a safety belt is is not absolute. A strange crash or a very powerful crash are a problem too. Same with covid. It is also with a mask important to keep distance and to have short contacts. Fresh air is good. Hygiene in general is good. ... All this helps and is easily able to be done. So why not to do it just simple? Why to discuss? About what? Injustice against a virus?
I realize you are trying to be logical, but you are still wrong.
The reason is that the normal quick end of any epidemic is dependent upon rapid burn out of potential victims, thus implementing herd immunity.
Ebola is a good example, in that although it is very infectious and deadly, it always is quickly stopped by herd immunity.
That is because it is too greedy.
It infect local contacts so quickly, they don't get a chance to spread it very much.
And once all the easy local contact have been infected, there no longer are any local viable hosts left, so the virus has to die out.
So then "flattening the curve" prevents herd immunity by essentially conserving local hosts, and ensuring there is always one available to infect, in order to keep the virus alive, indefinitely.
So then the problem with "flattening the curve" is that is killed an infinitely greater number of victims by stretching out the duration of the epidemic infinitely.
This is not like seatbelts.
There is no accumulative harm done by wearing seatbelts.
There is accumulative harm done by flattening the curve.
You want and need the quickest spike possible, in order to quickly end any epidemic rapidly.
for the last time you are not locked down.They have done a good job at putting the fear of God himself into people.
99%+ survivability and they have us locked down as if the Walking Dead were roaming the streets.
By this point we COULD have had herd immunity but instead we fucked around long enough to give the virus time to adapt and mutate.
Would more have died up to this point? Likely so
Would more have been saved in the long run by preventing suicides/overdoses and all the other social bullshit that the government has IMPOSED ON US? Likely so as well.
And now we're likely to get round 2 of the government mandates thanks to their own ineptitude.
And don't give me that herd immunity is not an answer bullshit because since the vaccine became a reality that's all they've talked about.
Instead we're gonna have a "Biden" response to it if the new strains make it here.
God help us
Listen to this guy....LISTEN.
No, everyone doesn't. If you want to wear a mask and believe it helps fine, wear your mask, I believe it is a waste of time and will not be wearing one UNLESS I have to in certain areas that require them. If masks were effective at slowing the spread of viruses why have we waited until 2020 to want everyone to wear one, makes no sense to me.Everyone says "masks help" and some say nonsense in this context on totally other reasons than to be interested in real solutions. Even in case someone is convinced masks don't help a normal man would use masks to show the own solidarity with the victims of covid-19 and as a symbol to be ready to fight. Masks help first of all not to infect others and they help also not to be infected. But this protection is not absolute - like for example the protection of a safety belt is is not absolute. A strange crash or a very powerful crash are a problem too. Same with covid. It is also with a mask important to keep distance and to have short contacts. Fresh air is good. Hygiene in general is good. ... All this helps and is easily able to be done. So why not to do it just simple? Why to discuss? About what? Injustice against a virus?
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Look at any epidemic, like Polio, Ebola, Avian flu, etc.
They all ended through herd immunity ...
No, everyone doesn't.Everyone says "masks help" and some say nonsense in this context on totally other reasons than to be interested in real solutions. Even in case someone is convinced masks don't help a normal man would use masks to show the own solidarity with the victims of covid-19 and as a symbol to be ready to fight. Masks help first of all not to infect others and they help also not to be infected. But this protection is not absolute - like for example the protection of a safety belt is is not absolute. A strange crash or a very powerful crash are a problem too. Same with covid. It is also with a mask important to keep distance and to have short contacts. Fresh air is good. Hygiene in general is good. ... All this helps and is easily able to be done. So why not to do it just simple? Why to discuss? About what? Injustice against a virus?
If you want to wear a mask and believe it helps fine, wear your mask, I believe it is a waste of time and will not be wearing one
UNLESS I have to in certain areas that require them. If masks were effective at slowing the spread of viruses why have we waited until 2020 to want everyone to wear one, makes no sense to me.
No, everyone doesn't.Everyone says "masks help" and some say nonsense in this context on totally other reasons than to be interested in real solutions. Even in case someone is convinced masks don't help a normal man would use masks to show the own solidarity with the victims of covid-19 and as a symbol to be ready to fight. Masks help first of all not to infect others and they help also not to be infected. But this protection is not absolute - like for example the protection of a safety belt is is not absolute. A strange crash or a very powerful crash are a problem too. Same with covid. It is also with a mask important to keep distance and to have short contacts. Fresh air is good. Hygiene in general is good. ... All this helps and is easily able to be done. So why not to do it just simple? Why to discuss? About what? Injustice against a virus?
Ask doctors, nurses, hospitals, the WHO and other competent persons all over the planet.
If you want to wear a mask and believe it helps fine, wear your mask, I believe it is a waste of time and will not be wearing one
You think you have the right to infect whomever you like to infect? Hmmm ... if you think so, god.
UNLESS I have to in certain areas that require them. If masks were effective at slowing the spread of viruses why have we waited until 2020 to want everyone to wear one, makes no sense to me.
What a luck, that gods are not able to die on covid-19 and are not able to infect others.
What in the world are you talking about 1918? This is absolute nonsense. Flattening the curve mitigates the massive deaths. Our health system would not be able to tolerate the influx of infections if the curve was not flattened.Yes. I’m sure he’s great about knowing how to protect people from sawdust and industrial waste.How do you know he knows what he’s talking about?
You don’t know what you’re talking about so you just believe whoever says what you want to hear.
I forgot...you're not too bright, so I guess I have to lead you by the nose. For the slow kid: he knows what he is talking about because respiratory protection was his field of expertise for almost twenty years. He taught it for more than a decade, and has credentials to testify in Federal court as an expert witness about it.
But since we aren’t talking about OSHA regulations and instead talking about infections diseases, I’ll stick with my training in virology, infectious diseases, immunology, and epidemiology.
This is the problem with appeals to authority. It’s a weak argument. You just pick the expert you like and ignore the experts you don’t.
But EVERY actual virologist, immunologist, epidemiologist, etc., says that herd immunity is what ends all established epidemics.
There has NEVER been one ended by "flattening the curve", and "flattening the curve" clearly results in a much larger death toll because it makes the epidemic last essentially forever, and allows a much wider spread over time.
Look at any epidemic, like Polio, Ebola, Avian flu, etc.
They all ended through herd immunity, where they spike so fact, they use up the local hosts available too quickly, and then die off from a lack of local hosts.
Go look it up.
Flattening the curve never works.
It was only tried once, in 1918, and was a disaster, stretching out a minor seasonal flu for over 2 years, killing over 20 times what it should have normally.
It's scientific evidence. Proven beyond a doubt.There is no empirical evidence to support that claim.The virus isn't just floating around in a vapor cloud. It is in droplets. The masks stop the droplets. You aren't risking yourself by not wearing the mask, you are selfishly risking others.That is no substitute for being a multiple casino bankrupt and faded reality-tv performer when it comes to matters of medical science and public health.These are all highly respected doctors and researchers in biochemistry and microbiology.
I don't wear one nor will I start to wear one. There is proof beyond doubt when you look at the virus and contrast it with pore spaces in the fabric of masks. All the rest is just the liberal media, politics, agenda, and propaganda.
Im not sick and I'm not putting anyone else at risk. If I were sick, I'd stay at home.
We have been dealing with this for a year. How is ignorance stll so prevalent?
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The contributions of asymptomatic infections to herd immunity and community transmission are key to the resurgence and control of COVID-19, but are difficult to estimate using current models that ignore changes in testing capacity. Using a model that incorporates daily testing information fit to...www.medrxiv.org
No, there is no asymptomatic spread of any virus.
You can't be producing enough virus spores to be infectious without being or soon becoming symptomatic.
There can be some spread by pre-symptomatic, but not by asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic essentially are immune and kill it off too quickly for it to reproduce sufficiently.
Yes. I’m sure he’s great about knowing how to protect people from sawdust and industrial waste.How do you know he knows what he’s talking about?
You don’t know what you’re talking about so you just believe whoever says what you want to hear.
I forgot...you're not too bright, so I guess I have to lead you by the nose. For the slow kid: he knows what he is talking about because respiratory protection was his field of expertise for almost twenty years. He taught it for more than a decade, and has credentials to testify in Federal court as an expert witness about it.
But since we aren’t talking about OSHA regulations and instead talking about infections diseases, I’ll stick with my training in virology, infectious diseases, immunology, and epidemiology.
This is the problem with appeals to authority. It’s a weak argument. You just pick the expert you like and ignore the experts you don’t.
www.lewrockwell.com
What in the world are you talking about 1918? This is absolute nonsense. Flattening the curve mitigates the massive deaths. Our health system would not be able to tolerate the influx of infections if the curve was not flattened.Yes. I’m sure he’s great about knowing how to protect people from sawdust and industrial waste.How do you know he knows what he’s talking about?
You don’t know what you’re talking about so you just believe whoever says what you want to hear.
I forgot...you're not too bright, so I guess I have to lead you by the nose. For the slow kid: he knows what he is talking about because respiratory protection was his field of expertise for almost twenty years. He taught it for more than a decade, and has credentials to testify in Federal court as an expert witness about it.
But since we aren’t talking about OSHA regulations and instead talking about infections diseases, I’ll stick with my training in virology, infectious diseases, immunology, and epidemiology.
This is the problem with appeals to authority. It’s a weak argument. You just pick the expert you like and ignore the experts you don’t.
But EVERY actual virologist, immunologist, epidemiologist, etc., says that herd immunity is what ends all established epidemics.
There has NEVER been one ended by "flattening the curve", and "flattening the curve" clearly results in a much larger death toll because it makes the epidemic last essentially forever, and allows a much wider spread over time.
Look at any epidemic, like Polio, Ebola, Avian flu, etc.
They all ended through herd immunity, where they spike so fact, they use up the local hosts available too quickly, and then die off from a lack of local hosts.
Go look it up.
Flattening the curve never works.
It was only tried once, in 1918, and was a disaster, stretching out a minor seasonal flu for over 2 years, killing over 20 times what it should have normally.
Furthermore, epidemics are often ended by means other than herd immunity. Avian Flu was isolated and managed without herd immunity. Ebola was not managed by herd immunity, which is an insane assertion given it has a mortality of up to 90%. SARS same story. No herd immunity.
salmartingano.com
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The common cold has about the same chance of killing you as covid is.
The only what I can say to such a totally absurde nonsense: Learn to use your ears, learn to use your eyes and overcome your egocentralism. Or what else could be an understandable reason why you say such an unbelievable nonsense? What - for heavens sake - is your intention?
You are not referencing any facts.
For example, the 280,000 deaths out of a totally population over 330,000,000 is only 0.06%, so the death rate from covid-19 is TINY.
You have more than 300,00 victims of covid-19.
Second is that covid-19 should only have lasted a month or so, and the spike should then have wiped it out through herd immunity.
What's the most lazy and most dangerous no-way.
That would have resulted in fewer than 50,000 deaths, so then would have had a death toll no more than any seasonal flu.
You have more than 300,000 covid victims.
The only thing that increased the death toll beyond that of any seasonal flu, was stretching out its duration by "flattening the curve". Flattening the curve of any illness will prevent herd immunity and cause any illness to stay forever.
Herd immunity comes normally with an artificial vaccine and not by a vaccination with a fully active deadly original virus. And the last time someone calculated this scenario - months ago - he stopped the simulation when you had more than 2 million victims.
“Only 6% of all reported COVID-19 deaths were solely the result of the COVID-19 virus.”
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
“Only 6% of all reported COVID-19 deaths were solely the result of the COVID-19 virus.”
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
At least one "COVID-19 death" was a gunshot victim. Another was a motorcycle crash.
No, everyone doesn't.Everyone says "masks help" and some say nonsense in this context on totally other reasons than to be interested in real solutions. Even in case someone is convinced masks don't help a normal man would use masks to show the own solidarity with the victims of covid-19 and as a symbol to be ready to fight. Masks help first of all not to infect others and they help also not to be infected. But this protection is not absolute - like for example the protection of a safety belt is is not absolute. A strange crash or a very powerful crash are a problem too. Same with covid. It is also with a mask important to keep distance and to have short contacts. Fresh air is good. Hygiene in general is good. ... All this helps and is easily able to be done. So why not to do it just simple? Why to discuss? About what? Injustice against a virus?
Ask doctors, nurses, hospitals, the WHO and other competent persons all over the planet.
If you want to wear a mask and believe it helps fine, wear your mask, I believe it is a waste of time and will not be wearing one
You think you have the right to infect whomever you like to infect? Hmmm ... if you think so, god.
UNLESS I have to in certain areas that require them. If masks were effective at slowing the spread of viruses why have we waited until 2020 to want everyone to wear one, makes no sense to me.
What a luck, that gods are not able to die on covid-19 and are not able to infect others.
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Jarlaxle
Explain me pelase very detailed your comment "funny" to my post #307.
No, everyone doesn't.Everyone says "masks help" and some say nonsense in this context on totally other reasons than to be interested in real solutions. Even in case someone is convinced masks don't help a normal man would use masks to show the own solidarity with the victims of covid-19 and as a symbol to be ready to fight. Masks help first of all not to infect others and they help also not to be infected. But this protection is not absolute - like for example the protection of a safety belt is is not absolute. A strange crash or a very powerful crash are a problem too. Same with covid. It is also with a mask important to keep distance and to have short contacts. Fresh air is good. Hygiene in general is good. ... All this helps and is easily able to be done. So why not to do it just simple? Why to discuss? About what? Injustice against a virus?
Ask doctors, nurses, hospitals, the WHO and other competent persons all over the planet.
If you want to wear a mask and believe it helps fine, wear your mask, I believe it is a waste of time and will not be wearing one
You think you have the right to infect whomever you like to infect? Hmmm ... if you think so, god.
UNLESS I have to in certain areas that require them. If masks were effective at slowing the spread of viruses why have we waited until 2020 to want everyone to wear one, makes no sense to me.
What a luck, that gods are not able to die on covid-19 and are not able to infect others.
CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting ...
Doctors debunk masks as protection against coronavirus | KOMO
Face masks: WHO stands by recommendation to not wear them ...
Europe's Top Health Officials Say Masks Aren't Helpful in ...
Masks DON'T stop the spread of Covid, top experts say
What you say here is nonsense and you know this. Example:In the begtinning of the pandemic lots of doctors - and also the WHO - argued against self made masks. After s short while they changed this opinion, because simple masks made of normal cotton help a lot.
Jarlaxle
Explain me pelase very detailed your comment "funny" to my post #307.
No, everyone doesn't.Everyone says "masks help" and some say nonsense in this context on totally other reasons than to be interested in real solutions. Even in case someone is convinced masks don't help a normal man would use masks to show the own solidarity with the victims of covid-19 and as a symbol to be ready to fight. Masks help first of all not to infect others and they help also not to be infected. But this protection is not absolute - like for example the protection of a safety belt is is not absolute. A strange crash or a very powerful crash are a problem too. Same with covid. It is also with a mask important to keep distance and to have short contacts. Fresh air is good. Hygiene in general is good. ... All this helps and is easily able to be done. So why not to do it just simple? Why to discuss? About what? Injustice against a virus?
Ask doctors, nurses, hospitals, the WHO and other competent persons all over the planet.
If you want to wear a mask and believe it helps fine, wear your mask, I believe it is a waste of time and will not be wearing one
You think you have the right to infect whomever you like to infect? Hmmm ... if you think so, god.
UNLESS I have to in certain areas that require them. If masks were effective at slowing the spread of viruses why have we waited until 2020 to want everyone to wear one, makes no sense to me.
What a luck, that gods are not able to die on covid-19 and are not able to infect others.
CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting ...
Doctors debunk masks as protection against coronavirus | KOMO
Face masks: WHO stands by recommendation to not wear them ...
Europe's Top Health Officials Say Masks Aren't Helpful in ...
Masks DON'T stop the spread of Covid, top experts say
What you say here is nonsense and you know this. Example:In the begtinning of the pandemic lots of doctors - and also the WHO - argued against self made masks. After s short while they changed this opinion, because simple masks made of normal cotton help a lot.
Yep because cotton keeps those viruses out.
Sure. You’re believing some rando on the internet with zero medical knowledge who just happens to be paid to testify the way lawyers want him to simply because he says what you want.Yes. I’m sure he’s great about knowing how to protect people from sawdust and industrial waste.How do you know he knows what he’s talking about?
You don’t know what you’re talking about so you just believe whoever says what you want to hear.
I forgot...you're not too bright, so I guess I have to lead you by the nose. For the slow kid: he knows what he is talking about because respiratory protection was his field of expertise for almost twenty years. He taught it for more than a decade, and has credentials to testify in Federal court as an expert witness about it.
But since we aren’t talking about OSHA regulations and instead talking about infections diseases, I’ll stick with my training in virology, infectious diseases, immunology, and epidemiology.
This is the problem with appeals to authority. It’s a weak argument. You just pick the expert you like and ignore the experts you don’t.
No, actually, he is trained in ALL types of respiratory protection, from asbestos to MOPP Level 4 chemical warfare to protection from biological agents. (Note that MOPP 4 gear is still not effective against viruses.) Your face diaper is worthless...though a pretty good incubator. I wonder when the outbreaks of Legionnaire's start.
