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three logical fallacies in a row!

1. Newton ( 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727) was not a creationist, the pseudo science of CREATIONISM HAD NOT EVEN BEEN INVENTED YET .
In its modern form, creationism sprung up around the same time as evolution, as a response to defend against what was seen as a threat to their faith.
The people who developed both are either not known in the first case, or many and varied in the second.
Read more: Who invented creationism

he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority .

Charles Darwin (12 February 1809 – 19 April 1882) to was the first to formulate a scientific argument for the theory of evolution by means of natural selection. Evolution by natural selection is a process that is inferred from three facts about populations: 1) more offspring are produced than can possibly survive, 2) traits vary among individuals, leading to differential rates of survival and reproduction, and 3) trait differences are heritable.[3] Thus, when members of a population die they are replaced by the progeny of parents that were better adapted to survive and reproduce in the environment in which natural selection took place. This process creates and preserves traits that are seemingly fitted for the functional roles they perform.[4] Natural selection is the only known cause of adaptation, but not the only known cause of evolution. Other, nonadaptive causes of evolution include mutation and genetic drift.[5]

but NOT THE FIRST TO PROPOSE THE IDEA OF EVOLUTION: The proposal that one type of animal could descend from an animal of another type goes back to some of the first pre-Socratic Greek philosophers, such as Anaximander and Empedocles.[10][11] In contrast to these materialistic views, Aristotle understood all natural things, not only living things, as being imperfect actualisations of different fixed natural possibilities, known as "forms", "ideas", or (in Latin translations) "species".[12][13] This was part of his teleological understanding of nature in which all things have an intended role to play in a divine cosmic order. Variations of this idea became the standard understanding of the Middle Ages, and were integrated into Christian learning, but Aristotle did not demand that real types of animals corresponded one-for-one with exact metaphysical forms, and specifically gave examples of how new types of living things could come to be.[14]

Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as to your profound ignorance about anti matter if this anti matter universe did exist
(you do know what anti means?--one that is opposed)
your laughable "common sense" would be reversed or opposite of what it is now, you would have no choice in the matter. or anti matter!

Newton definitely believed in a creator. Anyone who believes in a creator believes in creation no ?

Don't start with genetics when you have no clue of what you are talking about.

If you do know what you are talking about please point out one trait in humans and prove it came about through mutation and the trait did not exist in the genepool already ? ok pumpkin.
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!
 
Newton definitely believed in a creator. Anyone who believes in a creator believes in creation no ?

Don't start with genetics when you have no clue of what you are talking about.

If you do know what you are talking about please point out one trait in humans and prove it came about through mutation and the trait did not exist in the genepool already ? ok pumpkin.
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!

Parents force their children to believe things all the time, usually though brainwashing them at a very young age until they know nothing else than what the parent believes in. Yeah, every seen a muslim come out of a southern evengelical family? theres a reason for that, and its not just a coincidence.
 
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!

Parents force their children to believe things all the time, usually though brainwashing them at a very young age until they know nothing else than what the parent believes in. Yeah, every seen a muslim come out of a southern evengelical family? theres a reason for that, and its not just a coincidence.

Educational institutions force students to believe things all the time, usually through brainwashing for twelve to sixteen years of their life until they won't consider anything else than what they were taught. They then spend hours trying to fit everything they observe into the brainwashed premise they were programmed with.
 
so Walt Disney is god?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

No but he had intelligence that lead to design. So you gonna use the same argument for engineers as well ?

The real question is where did the intelligence come from ?
being that I hold a degree in technical theatre (the equivalent to a mechanical engineering degree) would have to say yes..

define intelligence.

That's weird, because your writing seems to be at about a 3rd grade level.
 
Newton definitely believed in a creator. Anyone who believes in a creator believes in creation no ?

Don't start with genetics when you have no clue of what you are talking about.

If you do know what you are talking about please point out one trait in humans and prove it came about through mutation and the trait did not exist in the genepool already ? ok pumpkin.
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!

You are an idiot.

No one in THIS country at THIS time in our human history can make you believe in anything which is why religion is dying now as it should be. This was not the case thruout time. Sure people could always THINK what they wanted but most of the time that we as humans have been organized into society you could and would be killed for not publicly parroting the beliefs of those in power.

Daws makes you look like a fool whether you see it or not.
 
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But something from nothing with purpose and intent is completely reasonable? :confused:

Can't believe you missed the obvious point Montrovant. The only way something comes from nothing are magical moments. Then add in intent and design it makes all the sense in the world.

So magic is a reasonable argument, got it!

Perfectly reasonable considering mans limitations that there is a being out there that has abilities beyond our comprehension.

Life didn't create itself, it is irrational to think it could. That the planets perfectly alligned themselves and one planet that has everything to sustain life.
 
so do people! your point?


"why do so many go extinct" ?-ywc
do you mean since humans have been on earth or before?

odd since you are the embodiment of the word!

Animals do it out ignorance all the time.People do it to commit suicide or they are just stupid or to young to know the difference.

So do you really want to compare animals intelligence to a human's intellgence ?

By the way are you still ignoring my question or can you give an honest answer ?
wrong again animals are not ignorant of traffic or to be more accurate they are no less ignorant then humans.

"People do it to commit suicide or they are just stupid or to young to know the difference."-ywc
you've just described ignorance.

"So do you really want to compare animals intelligence to a human's intellgence ?"-ywc

I thought we were?

let's see, humans use tools.(fire included )
certain aninmal and bird species use tools.
humans build structures.
certain aninmal, bird and insect species build structures.
humans have language (writing included)
all animals communicate, in essence language.
all animals except for the great apes (including man ) have built in offensive capabilities.
humans kill for sport
humans murder
the only other animals that murder are our closest relatives .
these being some of the benchmarks for intelligence indicating that humans are only marginally more intelligent then most of the higher animals .

To compare any animal's intelligence to a humans intelligence is a bad comparioson. That is like trying to compare the most intelligent person to the creator we are on different levels.

But you might ask yourself where did intelligence come from ?
 
so do people! your point?


"why do so many go extinct" ?-ywc
do you mean since humans have been on earth or before?

odd since you are the embodiment of the word!

"why do so many go extinct" ?-ywc

It's pretty simple because most animals do not migrate to enviornments they can survive in.

But hey lets look at their intelligence.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkg0E8c71IQ&NR=1&feature=endscreen]Serengeti: Battle at the Mara river; Great migration in the Serengeti - YouTube[/ame]

Hey our buddy is getting chomped on lets keep crossing. compare intelligence of a human with an animal :lol:
that's not an answer to this question:do you mean since humans have been on earth or before?-daws

that's no answer either if ther were another crossing the buffalo would use it.
but then again the lions would be there too!

"It's pretty simple because most animals do not migrate to enviornments they can survive in."ywc.

funny in reality they do just the opposite!

now what was that you were yammering on about intellegence in humans !

If that were true there would be less extinctions.
 
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!

Parents force their children to believe things all the time, usually though brainwashing them at a very young age until they know nothing else than what the parent believes in. Yeah, every seen a muslim come out of a southern evengelical family? theres a reason for that, and its not just a coincidence.

When they are grown they have choice to believe as they do,many muslims have become Christians and Christians have become muslims. It's true that we are influenced by our parents but when we reach the age to make our own decisions we do. Just like you have children that grow up in a atheistic home and become believers and you can say it the other way around. Bottomline, God allows us to chose our path.
 
No but he had intelligence that lead to design. So you gonna use the same argument for engineers as well ?

The real question is where did the intelligence come from ?
being that I hold a degree in technical theatre (the equivalent to a mechanical engineering degree) would have to say yes..

define intelligence.

That's weird, because your writing seems to be at about a 3rd grade level.

Writing is one of my weak points to,i think faster then i write.
 
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!

You are an idiot.

No one in THIS country at THIS time in our human history can make you believe in anything which is why religion is dying now as it should be. This was not the case thruout time. Sure people could always THINK what they wanted but most of the time that we as humans have been organized into society you could and would be killed for not publicly parroting the beliefs of those in power.

Dabs makes you look like a fool whether you see it or not.

Some of your post is correct. We were warned in the scriptures that in the last days this would happen. God is separating the sheep from the goats.

The scriptures say that many would listen to foolish babblings of men and fall away from the truth.
 
I'm pretty sure YWC was speaking about the beginning of the universe, or possibly the beginning of life, with his statement.

An idea doesn't come from nothing, a person is required for an idea. :)

There is your designer argument.

Except that the definition of idea is based on intelligence. The definition of life or the universe is not.

Well if one designed everything we see he must have possessed that intelligence that would bring about ideas and action.
 
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!

You are an idiot.

No one in THIS country at THIS time in our human history can make you believe in anything which is why religion is dying now as it should be. This was not the case thruout time. Sure people could always THINK what they wanted but most of the time that we as humans have been organized into society you could and would be killed for not publicly parroting the beliefs of those in power.

Dabs makes you look like a fool whether you see it or not.

From one mental giant to another.

Do you know what confirmation bias is???
 
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How the hell does someone seriously believe the earth is 6000 years old?

Meh. It baffles me.

I doubt you have faith in Jesus Christ. That's why. Once you accept Him, all things become clear. You read the Bible differently as a true Christian than an atheist or agnostic. They don't have the accompanying faith that strengthens and binds Scripture together into a total, complete life changing package.

You don't need excuses from biased human media sources to understand the Truth. God's truth is reveled truth, therefore the search for "scientific truth" of which none really exists, is unnecessary in light of the Bible.

But again, as a non-christian, I doubt you would get this. Maybe you should try a Bible study if you're interested in understand the Bible better? THere's groups all over the great nation! Check it out! :)
indoctrination at it's finest...
 
Newton definitely believed in a creator. Anyone who believes in a creator believes in creation no ?

Don't start with genetics when you have no clue of what you are talking about.

If you do know what you are talking about please point out one trait in humans and prove it came about through mutation and the trait did not exist in the genepool already ? ok pumpkin.
try actually comprehending what you read :"he was a man of his time ..eveyone was indoctrinated in religion.(by default everyone believed in creation.)
your blatant intentional misrepresentation of history is not only a logical fallacy, it's arguing from ignorance and appealing to a non existent authority ."

in other: WORDS NEWTON HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO BELIEVE IN CREATION AS IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AT THE TIME. YOU ASS CLOWN.
IF NEWTON HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO THE SAME INFO THAT DARWIN HAD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HUNG FOR HERESY MY GUESS IS HIS BELIEF WOULD BE DIFFERENT...
also NEWTON was a practitioner of the" black arts" not good advertising for your fairy tale.

btw it's you who has no clue....

Man you are thick. Look up the definition of belief. No one can force you to believe anything.

It was against the law to be an atheist during Newton's lifetime. Newton believed in Creation. Therefore, Newton believed in Creation because it was against the law to believe otherwise.

Youwerecreated for the steal... name that fallacy!!!!!
I never mentioned force in your desperation you grasp at straws: Notes on Religion in 16th Century Europe


Atheism
The word "atheist" in the 1500s was commonly used to denote a libertine rather to claim that one did not believe in God. To be described as an atheist was an insult. As the French historian Lucien Febve wrote, there were "conceptual difficulties" in the 1500s in denying the existence of God. "Every activity of the day ... was saturated with religious beliefs and institutions." And asking someone whether he believed in God was to suggest the possibility that he did not and must have been as insulting as asking if he were a sodomite or murderer. Peter Watson in his book Ideas agrees with Febve. Watson writes that "One reason Montaigne never really doubted that there was a God was because to do so in his lifetime was next to impossible."

Atheism was little more tolerated in the late 1600s, as indicated by the Enlightenment's John Locke claiming that atheism was “not at all to be tolerated” because, “promises, covenants and oaths, which are the bonds of human societies, can have no hold upon an atheist.”
 
No but he had intelligence that lead to design. So you gonna use the same argument for engineers as well ?

The real question is where did the intelligence come from ?
being that I hold a degree in technical theatre (the equivalent to a mechanical engineering degree) would have to say yes..

define intelligence.

That's weird, because your writing seems to be at about a 3rd grade level.
why did I know you'd say that, another childish shot from the school of I know you are but what am I..
 
Can't believe you missed the obvious point Montrovant. The only way something comes from nothing are magical moments. Then add in intent and design it makes all the sense in the world.

So magic is a reasonable argument, got it!

Perfectly reasonable considering mans limitations that there is a being out there that has abilities beyond our comprehension.

Life didn't create itself, it is irrational to think it could. That the planets perfectly alligned themselves and one planet that has everything to sustain life.
another series of famous false declarations by YWC.

"Life didn't create itself"..YWC
"the planets perfectly alligned themselves and one planet that has everything to sustain life"- YWC

"Perfectly reasonable considering mans limitations that there is a being out there that has abilities beyond our comprehension."YWC


YOU HAVE NO OBJECTIVE CREDIBLE EVIDENCE TO PROVE THESE STATEMENTS ARE FACT.
AT BEST THEY ARE OPINION .

AT WORST THEY ARE confirmation bias : Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in military, political, and organizational contexts.

Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE FIND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT THERE .
 
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