Democracy is at risk

[$ecular#eckler]

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

Why is that? How did it get to that?

 

[Wyatt earp]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

 

[pknopp]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

It worked great. The dollar was worth about twice as much in 1913 as it was worth in 1789. On the other hand, the creation of the Federal Reserve led to black Friday.

It did work.........As long as you understand that money would be very limited and people wouldn't be getting rich.

John D. Rockefeller didn't get rich? Andrew Carnegie? J. P. Morgan?

I don't have time to teach economics to you.

 

[Richard-H]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

It worked great. The dollar was worth about twice as much in 1913 as it was worth in 1789. On the other hand, the creation of the Federal Reserve led to black Friday.

Then write your own notes. Don't use federal notes. It's a free country!

BTW - Please don't mix up the proliferation of Federal dollars, which started at the time of the Civil War, with the formation of the Federal Reserve!

 

[Slade3200]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Our system is broken because it requires 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. If you have 60 votes, then you probably have 95+ votes. IT means nothing gets done without unanimous consent...that isn't how Democracy is supposed to work.

But this system of filibustering to stop all legislation works for the politicians. They can make any idiotic promises they want to the voters because they know that nothing ever gets passed. They pretend to fight the good fight, but never win...but they can always blame the other side.

If it weren't for the filibuster, politicians would have NO EXCUSE. They'd have to live up to their promises...then let the public judge the outcome.

I like the 60 vote requirement. It forces bipartisanship. Problem now is both sides as so polarized and the focus is all about power not legislation. Also the fact there there are only two parties holding power. Break them up and getting bipartisan legislation passed is easier

How do you break them up?

You apply the brilliant idea in this OP!

I just had a brilliant idea!

With all this talk about our democracy being threatened I had an idea that would save it! We make the presidential term 6 years and then prevent the same political party from holding power in consecutive terms. You’re welcome!

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Slade3200]

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

Why is that? How did it get to that?

Well for starters when politicians need to raise millions of dollars to run a campaign then they become beholden to donors and spend a big chunk of their time raising funds instead of writing legislation.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

 

[Richard-H]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Our system is broken because it requires 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. If you have 60 votes, then you probably have 95+ votes. IT means nothing gets done without unanimous consent...that isn't how Democracy is supposed to work.

But this system of filibustering to stop all legislation works for the politicians. They can make any idiotic promises they want to the voters because they know that nothing ever gets passed. They pretend to fight the good fight, but never win...but they can always blame the other side.

If it weren't for the filibuster, politicians would have NO EXCUSE. They'd have to live up to their promises...then let the public judge the outcome.

I like the 60 vote requirement. It forces bipartisanship. Problem now is both sides as so polarized and the focus is all about power not legislation. Also the fact there there are only two parties holding power. Break them up and getting bipartisan legislation passed is easier

The filibuster is the cause of the extreme partisanship. If the filibuster were eliminated the minority party would be forced to negotiate...and to concede...because that's the way democracy is supposed to work.

 

[Slade3200]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

It worked great. The dollar was worth about twice as much in 1913 as it was worth in 1789. On the other hand, the creation of the Federal Reserve led to black Friday.

It did work.........As long as you understand that money would be very limited and people wouldn't be getting rich.

John D. Rockefeller didn't get rich? Andrew Carnegie? J. P. Morgan?

I don't have time to teach economics to you.

Nobody has that much time

 

[Slade3200]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Our system is broken because it requires 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. If you have 60 votes, then you probably have 95+ votes. IT means nothing gets done without unanimous consent...that isn't how Democracy is supposed to work.

But this system of filibustering to stop all legislation works for the politicians. They can make any idiotic promises they want to the voters because they know that nothing ever gets passed. They pretend to fight the good fight, but never win...but they can always blame the other side.

If it weren't for the filibuster, politicians would have NO EXCUSE. They'd have to live up to their promises...then let the public judge the outcome.

I like the 60 vote requirement. It forces bipartisanship. Problem now is both sides as so polarized and the focus is all about power not legislation. Also the fact there there are only two parties holding power. Break them up and getting bipartisan legislation passed is easier

The filibuster is the cause of the extreme partisanship. If the filibuster were eliminated the minority party would be forced to negotiate...and to concede...because that's the way democracy is supposed to work.

The minority party isn’t needed at all without the filibuster. Majority can do whatever they want, why would they negotiate with the minority party?

 

[Wyatt earp]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

 

[FA_Q2]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

In one way I agree but when you consider who it is doing all of this and ask yourself why we keep electing them it leads to the conclusion.

That’s a campaign finance issue which I think needs huge reform as it fosters nothing but corruption

Corruption is ever present wherever power exists. Campaign finance reform is nothing more than a smokescreen - it is flatly impossible to remove financial incentives from an institution that has the power to dole out trillions in both hard cash and other things of value.

No matter what you do with campaigns, as long as that power remains open and unchecked it WILL bring corruption. You cannot fix the underlying problem by addressing the symptoms - those monied interests will simply find another way to influence politics.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

And I think the point is that it is a systemic problem with the way our government is structured. I have to agree, there are some basic structures that need to be repaired such as the ability for the legislative branch to give almost all their power to the executive branch.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

 

[FA_Q2]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Our system is broken because it requires 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. If you have 60 votes, then you probably have 95+ votes. IT means nothing gets done without unanimous consent...that isn't how Democracy is supposed to work.

But this system of filibustering to stop all legislation works for the politicians. They can make any idiotic promises they want to the voters because they know that nothing ever gets passed. They pretend to fight the good fight, but never win...but they can always blame the other side.

If it weren't for the filibuster, politicians would have NO EXCUSE. They'd have to live up to their promises...then let the public judge the outcome.

I like the 60 vote requirement. It forces bipartisanship. Problem now is both sides as so polarized and the focus is all about power not legislation. Also the fact there there are only two parties holding power. Break them up and getting bipartisan legislation passed is easier

The filibuster is the cause of the extreme partisanship. If the filibuster were eliminated the minority party would be forced to negotiate...and to concede...because that's the way democracy is supposed to work.

Ending the filibuster is the fastest way possible to entrench and increase extreme partisanship.

That is blatantly obvious and basically outright stated by those supporting such measures.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

 

[FA_Q2]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

Or use an existing currency detached from governments like Bitcoin.

None of them work remotely as well as a federally backed currency and the reasons are blatantly obvious.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

No, it does not.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

 

[Slade3200]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

No, it does not.

Yes, it does.