Democracy is at risk

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Democracy is at risk to the extent as to whom will be allowed to participate.

Republicans are clearly pursuing laws and measures intended to make it more difficult to participate – particularly minority voters perceived to be likely Democratic voters – and laws and measures intended to allow Republican election officials to interfere with or even overturn election results they’re not happy with.

It’s important to remember that Republicans are fundamentally hostile to democracy – they’re the first to rush into any discussion on the topic to exclaim that the United States is a republic, not a democracy; and in our republic it’s the states, not the people, who determine who the president is, who determine who controls the Senate, and who determines who controls the Federal judiciary.

Through these bad-faith laws and measures Republicans seek to control most of the states, and by doing so control the Federal government – contrary to the will of the majority of the people.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Democracy is at risk to the extent as to whom will be allowed to participate.

Republicans are clearly pursuing laws and measures intended to make it more difficult to participate – particularly minority voters perceived to be likely Democratic voters – and laws and measures intended to allow Republican election officials to interfere with or even overturn election results they’re not happy with.

It’s important to remember that Republicans are fundamentally hostile to democracy – they’re the first to rush into any discussion on the topic to exclaim that the United States is a republic, not a democracy; and in our republic it’s the states, not the people, who determine who the president is, who determine who controls the Senate, and who determines who controls the Federal judiciary.

Through these bad-faith laws and measures Republicans seek to control most of the states, and by doing so control the Federal government – contrary to the will of the majority of the people.

I get what the republicans are doing and I don't agree with it. But our democracy is not at risk because of it. Making it harder for poor people to vote doesn't destroy our democracy it just means we need to work harder.

 

[BluesLegend]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Worthless government paper they devalue anytime they feel like it.

 

[BluesLegend]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

No the real corruption begins AFTER the election when politicians sell out the American people to line their own pockets.

 

[BluesLegend]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

It’s definitely in peril when people start believing they should overturn elections through force.

 

[Mac1958]

I get what the republicans are doing and I don't agree with it. But our democracy is not at risk because of it. Making it harder for poor people to vote doesn't destroy our democracy it just means we need to work harder.

What concerns me as much as access to voting is whether we're going to see partisan state legislatures also exercise more control over the counting and confirmation/audit processes. Between those three issues, yeah, I'm a little nervous right now.

 

[BluesLegend]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean that's how it works when Dems don't like the outcome of a vote, while they lecture about respecting the will of the people. Dems are full of shit.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

WTF? You can make up definitions out your butt hole, take a civics class

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean that's how it works when Dems don't like the outcome of a vote, while they lecture about respecting the will of the people. Dems are full of shit.

Is that what you think I was trying to say?

 

[BluesLegend]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean that's how it works when Dems don't like the outcome of a vote, while they lecture about respecting the will of the people. Dems are full of shit.

Is that what you think I was trying to say?

Just admit it, when Dems lecture about democracy they are completely full of shit.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean that's how it works when Dems don't like the outcome of a vote, while they lecture about respecting the will of the people. Dems are full of shit.

Is that what you think I was trying to say?

Just admit it, when Dems lecture about democracy they are completely full of shit.

I don't categorize millions of people into one term. Many on both sides are completely full of shit when they talk about democracy. I'd have to look at what the personal is saying

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

WTF? You can make up definitions out your butt hole, take a civics class

What do you think I made up?

 

[pknopp]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Worthless government paper they devalue anytime they feel like it.

Sure. And?

 

[bripat9643]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Another woke idiot proves he's an economic moron.

Do you actually believe the amount of money the Federal Reserver creates determines how many cars and houses get produced?

 

[bripat9643]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

Corruption comes from having the power to dispense trillions of dollars.

Corruption comes from the inadequate checks on power.

There can never be enough checks on power when politicians have trillions of dollars to spend.

 

[bripat9643]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

It worked great. The dollar was worth about twice as much in 1913 as it was worth in 1789. On the other hand, the creation of the Federal Reserve led to black Friday.

It did work.........As long as you understand that money would be very limited and people wouldn't be getting rich.

John D. Rockefeller didn't get rich? Andrew Carnegie? J. P. Morgan?

I don't have time to teach economics to you.

That would be a major feat since you don't know any economics, or history.

 

[Hossfly]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Marketing? "Crisis"? Everything is a crisis. Those idiots who keep doing audits and recounts even though finding something is not going to happen if it hasn't yet. Then there are the ones who say Trumps coming back in August. Delusional as he is. What these miscreants want to do is change the rules on voting rules to give them the edge. Especially using terrorist groups loyal to Trump as poll watchers. The stuff the Republicans are trying is to pull a fix on 2022 and 2024. They can't win on their platform. They don't have one. There only goal is to steal power and hold it so they can do the bidding of their rich overlords whose money keeps them in power and to stop the agenda of programs for working people and tax increases on billionaires who pay jack shit in taxes. They have half the people fooled into thinking these fools represent them. The republicans do nothing. McConnell passed little legislation that helps anyone of us. But loads the pockets of his wealthy controllers. They don't even try to hide it anymore. They packed the courts with Right wing judges and gerrymandered districts to consolidate their power. Meanwhile the dems are arguing about the filibuster and reconsiliation. They don't have the balls. If the table was turned every bill would pass because the Republicans don't give a shit.

Welcome, Noob! You're in way over your head already. Get ready for Trump's triumphant return!

 

[bripat9643]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

I’m doing just fine. It’s all relative.
Sorry if you’re struggling

It's not "all relative," moron. are you saying there's no difference between a 1200 sq ft house and a 2400 sq ft house?