Democracy is the road to socialism

[Antares]

STHU, Pubtroll -the only kind...

You never have cared for the truth...have you Lil Adolph?

 

[CayLargo]

These were the words of Karl Marx. He once said, "Democracy is the road to socialism".

The idea being that eventually the masses would rise up and strip the top 1 or 4% of everything they had by mob rule. This was the way to empower the average citizen.

However, collectivism does not empower the average citizen. Collectivism does the exact opposite. For you see, in order for collectivism to work, the individual must surrender certain rights for the good of the whole. That is why the Constitution is so repugnant to modern day liberals. They wish us to give up our right to a free market in order to redistribute the way they think is fair.

So some citizens don't want to be taxed and redistribute they way think is fair?? Oh, no, that can't be, they are already redistrbuting the bulk of the US budget. What do you mean anyway? You don't want to surrender any rights, but want others to surrender their rights? I don't seem to feel any objection to the constitution over redistribution under the general Welfare clause, but isn't that why you conservatives do?

They wish us to surrender our right to privacy that was thought to be covered under the 4rth Amendment, all in the name of our collective safety. In fact, they are willing to surrender our right to due process under the NDAA by allowing the government to detain us without due process covered in the Constitution, all in the name of our collective security. Their is not end to this collective push to diminish individual rights for the common good.

Oh my good man!!! Where have you been hiding all these years? You have been surrendering your rights constantly and consistently for years, at least past Reagan and the Drug wars for our collective safety. Detaining in traffic stops, searching trunks, demanding ID, etc. There is no end indeed, but that has nothing to do with collectivism and more to do with stripping individual rights.

What we need to start doing is asking ourselves, what are our rights under any given collectivist policy? What is my right to health care? Well it all depends what is offered. Medicare turns down more people for medical treatment than private insurance. What is my right to social security? There are no promises as to how much we will get or if it will even be there when we retire. All of these "rights" are merely the whims of those in power at any particular time.

Yes, such a shame this capitalist system that gives to some and denys others. Under collectivism all are treated equally, such as 100% National Health care.

And finally, the irony here is that collectivism is actually at odds with democracy. Democracy implies that our votes count. However, the more centralized government becomes, the less input I have into that said system. In fact, if we wanted a true representative democracy, then we would push for more power to our local governments. Unfortunately, we are stuck with a system that empowers Congressmen and women in the other 49 states to have power over me that I cannot even vote for or against. That is why Congress now only has about a 9% approval rating. People elect their one representative because they are good at taking federal funds for their own state, but hat the other 49 states that take their federal money for the other states. Thus they keep electing their guy while detesting the others. It was never meant to be this way and was not set up this way by the Founding Fathers. State rights have been gutted and we are left with a representative body with only a 9% approval rating. That is our modern day democracy.

If you had collectivism you would have power to oppose government, but alas, you keep wanting individualism that is weak, has no power, has no direction, and then whine because the rich kick your butt all the time. They know you are weak, they know we are divided into many weak groups, so they have their way.

To sum up, collectivism only works as an oligarchy or dictatorship. The goal is not only to diminish your own personal freedom and rights, all in the name of the collective good, it is also a movement that seeks to diminish the power of your vote in that system by centralizing power rule by elitists that could really care less about your meaningless vote.

Hmm, I disagree. A national workers usnion could bring corporatism to it's knees.

 

[dblack]

Hmm, I disagree. A national workers usnion could bring corporatism to it's knees.

Lol. A national workers union epitomizes corporatism.

 

[dblack]

Hmm, I disagree. A national workers usnion could bring corporatism to it's knees.

Lol. A national workers union epitomizes corporatism.

I shouldn't laugh hardly anyone understands the term. Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

 

[Agit8r]

I've never heard anything to suggest that Marx was in favor of democracy at all

Really?

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…

The Communist Manifesto

It takes a far-right loon to confound a 'despotism of the proletariat' with liberal democracy. And that is precisely what Rockwell is:

Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters? - Reason.com

 

[Hyrcanus]

Good thing America isn't a Direct Democracy.

We are a Representative Democracy.

 

[Antares]

Good thing America isn't a Direct Democracy.

We are a Representative Democracy.

We are a Representative Republic.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Good thing America isn't a Direct Democracy.

We are a Representative Democracy.

We are a Representative Republic.

Our form of government is a Representative Democracy.

The People vote for legislators who represent their interests in government.

 

[Contumacious]

I've never heard anything to suggest that Marx was in favor of democracy at all

Really?

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…

The Communist Manifesto

It takes a far-right loon to confound a 'despotism of the proletariat' with liberal democracy. And that is precisely what Rockwell is:

Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters? - Reason.com

It takes a far left fucktard to forget that tyranny by the majority is tyranny nevertheless.


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[Hyrcanus]

It takes a far left fucktard to forget that tyranny by the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

Majority rule doesn't equal tyranny.

Only a Nazi would argue such a thing.

 

[Antares]

Good thing America isn't a Direct Democracy.

We are a Representative Democracy.

We are a Representative Republic.

Our form of government is a Representative Democracy.

The People vote for legislators who represent their interests in government.

Sorry kid, you are wrong.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Sorry kid, you are wrong.

Why, because you say so?

What makes you an authority on govt. issues?

 

[dblack]

It takes a far left fucktard to forget that tyranny by the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

Majority rule doesn't equal tyranny.

Only a Nazi would argue such a thing.

It certainly can. Only a cretin would deny it.

 

[Votto]

Good thing America isn't a Direct Democracy.

We are a Representative Democracy.

We are a Representative Republic.

We are screwed, that's what we are. The Founding Fathers set up a system of Federalism, where the states helped represent the population and the federal government played referee. Now the federal government pretty much does it all. That is the movement known as collectivism. Now people make decision for me from other states whom I have no way to vote for or against.

 

[Hyrcanus]

If the people voting for legislators that make our laws is the road to Socialism, what form of govt. would you prefer?

Dictatorship? Monarchy?

 

[Contumacious]

If the people voting for legislators that make our laws is the road to Socialism, what form of govt. would you prefer?

Dictatorship? Monarchy?

A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC WHERE THE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY and TO PURSUE HAPPINESS IS UNALIENABLE AND RESPECTED.

WHERE IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT BY MERELY ELECTING A PRESIDENT OR A SENATOR WHO DISLIKES FIREARMS IN NO WAY AFFECTS OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, ETC.

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[Hyrcanus]

A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC WHERE THE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY and TO PURSUE HAPPINESS IS UNALIENABLE AND RESPECTED.

Oh, so you want a fully Libertarian state?

where abortion rights, the right to use drugs, the right to commit suicide, gay marriage, and open borders are respect?

interesting.

 

[dblack]

A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC WHERE THE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY and TO PURSUE HAPPINESS IS UNALIENABLE AND RESPECTED.

Oh, so you want a fully Libertarian state?

where abortion rights, the right to use drugs, the right to commit suicide, gay marriage, and open borders are respect?

interesting.

Exactly.

 

[Antares]

A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC WHERE THE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY and TO PURSUE HAPPINESS IS UNALIENABLE AND RESPECTED.

Oh, so you want a fully Libertarian state?

where abortion rights, the right to use drugs, the right to commit suicide, gay marriage, and open borders are respect?

interesting.

Not because I say so but because the Founders do.

Deal with it.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Not because I say so but because the Founders do.

Deal with it.

The Founders didn't put any of that into the Constitution.