Democrats, are you concerned about these rioters in the major cities and mayors are not allowing help from the gov't?

[Cellblock2429]

Personally, I don't give a shit if these assholes destroy their cities. I do have sympathy for businesses and homeowners who have been destroyed or defiled by these anarchist assholes. Maybe we should just let these liberals destroy their own cities. But Trump cares about the people too much to abandon them. So it will continue with Democrats trying to destroy their cities and Trump trying to save them.

/—-/ The only time democRATs ask for federal help is when they need tax payer money to clean up the mess their constituents created.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Are there Democrats or even Independents considering voting for Trump? Not all Democrats can think this is good for our country....

Trump won't get any democrat vote and not much of any independents. He certainly does care about the Democrat run cities. That is a joke. He just likes to have secret police for show as if he were in a communist or strongman totalitarian government like the leaders he admires and thinks it makes him look like a law and order guy. With his record of supporting law or the constitution, nobody will buy that crap. He's made and he's out of here after the election, when the pardons (not just commutations) will fall like confetti, for any his cronies awaiting trial. Since the judge and the appeals court judges said it was illegal of him to steal the money from the military for his wall and it is already spent, I would like to see him prosecuted and jailed.

The mayor nor governor are doing anything to stop the rioting and pillaging. Order must be restored in this hell hole.

 

[DustyInfinity]

I can't believe that all Democrats think this is fine. What does this mean for your vote in November?

Actually before COVID and in past years on this forum I had mentioned that I thought the best thing for the United States was riots and a revolution. Things have to change. The rich have to much money and the poor too little. We need universal healthcare now especially with COVID. We need to spread the wealth and have more socialism.

So I am actually glad to see the riots maybe it will cause necessary change to happen in this country for the better. Our next president needs to be a democrat and we need major change to happen in this country.

Trying to steal money from productive people will not help. It won't lift up the poor, it will just kill jobs and add more dependent people. Redistribution doesn't work, never has. Your best bet would be to make it so people can succeed.

Lol. What evidence do you have that indicates government can “make it so people can succeed?”

Cutting regulations and taxes causes unemployment to go down on most occasions. Doing things that benefit businesses is something the government is actually capable of. There are many things the government can do that make it so people can't succeed. I use healthcare as an example. Universal healthcare sounds great, but what will happen when they try it? Health costs will go even higher, and quality of care will plummet. Most national programs suffer this fate. I'm not saying that huge national programs are impossible, but with our governing system, it has never worked out as intended. Prices always rise, quality always falls. I always like to remind people that we do no live in a zero sum economy. I know you know more about business than I ever will, but many young people think that if someone gets rich, it is at someone else's expense. Wealth actually does the exact opposite. When people are able to be successful, it CREATES opportunity for others. That is why capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system. I don't want to waste your time gipper, but the kids need to hear that.

 

[DustyInfinity]

When mayors and governors allow this @shit to happen, and do nothing at all to stop it, or even worse, are actively supporting the subhuman pieces of @shit who are rioting, looting, and generally behaving the way subhuman pieces of @shit behave, then there is something very, very wrong.

I am significantly concerned with the manner in which the feds are getting involved, but if those corrupt, malfeasant mayors and governors were doing their jobs, then there'd be no reason for the feds to get involved at all.

Uh, Bob, these people are protesting what they consider an injustice, and most of them are doing so peacefully.

When I was a young man in the Illinois National Guard, we had an officer who trained us for Civil Disturbance. And one thing he said still stuck out with me.

"When you are on CD duty, those are not the enemy out there. Those are your fellow citizens, they are damned angry about something, and they have every right to be."

This was only about a decade after Kent State, and the National Guard never wanted a repeat of that horrific incident.

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Now before you go whining about how they are looting and breaking things, I'll point it out once again.

They peacefully demonstrated for 8 years after one horrific incident after another, and the reforms didn't come.

You reap what you sew.

I'd buy that for the first few weeks after Floyd's death, but I seriously doubt any of the craziness going on now has anything to do with justice of any kind.

 

[Care4all]

When mayors and governors need help, they ask.

When mayors and governors allow this shit to happen, and do nothing at all to stop it, or even worse, are actively supporting the subhuman pieces of shit who are rioting, looting, and generally behaving the way subhuman pieces of shit behave, then there is something very, very wrong.

I am significantly concerned with the manner in which the feds are getting involved, but if those corrupt, malfeasant mayors and governors were doing their jobs, then there'd be no reason for the feds to get involved at all.

Riots at this level should involve feds. Not battle armed troopers using Brut force tactics but lending resources and help to the state cops. Trump should have handled this discreetly instead of making it a national news story. If he was really interested in getting it done that what he would have done. But no, he made a spectacle out of it and is playing politics. So are the governors that need help and aren’t asking for it. Pathetic on both fronts

The People needed are the National Guard, who are trained in riot control, not these untrained homeland security camo wearing guys.

So why aren't your people stopping the violence?

They believe, they can handle it, I suppose? Protesters doubled in size AFTER the feds came in, so the feds have not helped the matter.

If and when the governor's think they need the national guard to assist them, they will call upon them.

We have no say in their decisions, nor does the President and his unconstitutional, untrained, federal army/police..... this is a State issue, not a federal one.

We've had riots in the past, that were 100 times worse than this....

 

[John T. Ford]

Liked him so much they gave huge house margin to the democrats. The Covid King may not even carry Texas.

Right .... and Queen Cankles was gonna win every state in the Union in 2016.

How'd that work out for you guys?

LMAO @ the Delusional Shit Leftist believe ...

 

[John T. Ford]

Technically, maybe five. All of them are in play this time, and so are FL, TX, GA, NC, and AZ.

Is that what the Fake News MSM is telling you to parrot .....

 

[JoeB131]

I'd buy that for the first few weeks after Floyd's death, but I seriously doubt any of the craziness going on now has anything to do with justice of any kind.

Oh, did we pass comprehensive police reform since George Floyd was killed? Oh, that's right. We didn't.

Demonstrating for a day or two doesn't work. You demonstrate, the politicians mouth some words, and then they go back to business as usual.

You want real reform, you keep the pressure on.

 

[beagle9]

Well, considering federal funds already help police departments all over the country, and big city SWAT teams are often already super militarized, perhaps this OP and discussion should be a little more specific about what help city governments want, need, get, and are rejecting.

I heard the Chicago Mayor recently say on national TV that federal help and financial assistance for police crime fighting efforts would always be appreciated, but no thanks to separate squads on the streets under federal control to make a political statement.

In NYC there are already some 36,000 cops and 19,000 civilian employees in the police department. Maybe some of them can go down to D.C. to help our President next time he decides to cross Lafayette Park for a photo op?

There already stands downtown right by the famous “Tombs” and “One Police Plaza,” well-manned FBI and CIA buildings, and many more thousands of federal and private security personnel operate nearby at courthouses, federal buildings, Wall Street offices, etc. What could Trump send NYC that would even be noticed? Jet fighters? Does NYC need tanks on the streets? To fight whom?

By the way the number of NYC murders from 2000 to 2019 was cut in half, and all crime is down significantly, despite a recent spike ... itself likely due to this terrible Covid “summer of discontent.” (Giuliani left office in 2001.) NY Governor Cuomo, who criticized the present NYC Mayor’s lack of quick police response during a night of sudden looting a while back, has spoken with the President and made it clear ... no extra “help” of the kind he is offering is needed.

So how about being a little clearer about what “aid” is being offered where, and what its real purpose is.

But, but, but you don't want to fund or support the police, and the governor's and mayor's have lost control, so what's left after that ???? The feds are what's left, and a strong response is needed to make it clear that to kill INNOCENT civilians is unexceptable, and will always be unexceptable. Playing politic's ???? Rotflmbo.. The cratzi's have been playing the worst kind of politic's, so much so that it has successfully divided a nation, and has plunged it into chaos. No amount of excuses will help, because the facts are right there for even a 5 year old to understand.

Makes me wonder though, how on Earth do you get this messed up in your mind or ways of thinking Tom ?

 

[LoneLaugher]

If you wonder why Trump is losing in the polls, even the Fox News Polls, then the answer is exactly what you support. The Government coming in to "help". Remember Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words for anyone was "I am from the Government and I am here to help". While there is a core group of people who want to see the Feds bashing the skulls of those damned Leftists. Most people worry more about the future. What happens next? If this trend continues, will we see a Federal Police Force in which our local cops are federalized?

What is funny to many of us is that the arguments made by Conservatives for decades are not even mentioned. Local Issues, States Rights, and the usual. Normally the Conservatives are arguing that local school boards are best to determine what the local schools should be teaching. They normally object to Federal Authority being used locally. And a dime will get you a million dollars that if Biden wins in November, suddenly those cries will once again, take center stage. Unfortunately it will take a decade or more for them to resound, after the Conservatives threw that belief out the window in the pursuit of vengeance on their political rivals.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I have said so many many times. I do not know if I can do so again this year. My problem is that again I don't like either candidate. I don't like Biden, as evidenced by my Signature box. And I don't like Trump. I may just ignore the election and see what my fellow citizens decide to do.

In another month, we will see how bad it really is for Trump, and the Republicans. But the nightmare scenario is not that Biden is elected President. The nightmare is the Democrats having control, by a comfortable margin, of the House, Senate, and White House. If the Democrats pick up six or eight seats in the Senate, then the mid terms are irrelevant and you can count on at least four, probably eight years of Democratic control.

Agreed. I voted for Don last time too, but won’t bother voting this time. Very little difference between Don and Joe, but the partisans on each side can’t see that. The ignorance is enormous...the left sees Don as the worst man ever to walk the earth and the right sees Joe as a demented Commie.

Which of the two is the better man. Which is more likely to do for others before he does for himself? Which is a better role model for young people?

This is not even a debatable question. The choice is crystal clear.

 

[beagle9]

I'd buy that for the first few weeks after Floyd's death, but I seriously doubt any of the craziness going on now has anything to do with justice of any kind.

Oh, did we pass comprehensive police reform since George Floyd was killed? Oh, that's right. We didn't.

Demonstrating for a day or two doesn't work. You demonstrate, the politicians mouth some words, and then they go back to business as usual.

You want real reform, you keep the pressure on.

So you are for insighting riots JoeB ???

 

[SavannahMann]

If you wonder why Trump is losing in the polls, even the Fox News Polls, then the answer is exactly what you support. The Government coming in to "help". Remember Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words for anyone was "I am from the Government and I am here to help". While there is a core group of people who want to see the Feds bashing the skulls of those damned Leftists. Most people worry more about the future. What happens next? If this trend continues, will we see a Federal Police Force in which our local cops are federalized?

What is funny to many of us is that the arguments made by Conservatives for decades are not even mentioned. Local Issues, States Rights, and the usual. Normally the Conservatives are arguing that local school boards are best to determine what the local schools should be teaching. They normally object to Federal Authority being used locally. And a dime will get you a million dollars that if Biden wins in November, suddenly those cries will once again, take center stage. Unfortunately it will take a decade or more for them to resound, after the Conservatives threw that belief out the window in the pursuit of vengeance on their political rivals.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I have said so many many times. I do not know if I can do so again this year. My problem is that again I don't like either candidate. I don't like Biden, as evidenced by my Signature box. And I don't like Trump. I may just ignore the election and see what my fellow citizens decide to do.

In another month, we will see how bad it really is for Trump, and the Republicans. But the nightmare scenario is not that Biden is elected President. The nightmare is the Democrats having control, by a comfortable margin, of the House, Senate, and White House. If the Democrats pick up six or eight seats in the Senate, then the mid terms are irrelevant and you can count on at least four, probably eight years of Democratic control.

Agreed. I voted for Don last time too, but won’t bother voting this time. Very little difference between Don and Joe, but the partisans on each side can’t see that. The ignorance is enormous...the left sees Don as the worst man ever to walk the earth and the right sees Joe as a demented Commie.

Which of the two is the better man. Which is more likely to do for others before he does for himself? Which is a better role model for young people?

This is not even a debatable question. The choice is crystal clear.

None of the Above?

 

[beagle9]

I can't believe that all Democrats think this is fine. What does this mean for your vote in November?

Actually before COVID and in past years on this forum I had mentioned that I thought the best thing for the United States was riots and a revolution. Things have to change. The rich have to much money and the poor too little. We need universal healthcare now especially with COVID. We need to spread the wealth and have more socialism.

So I am actually glad to see the riots maybe it will cause necessary change to happen in this country for the better. Our next president needs to be a democrat and we need major change to happen in this country.

And you need help bad.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If you wonder why Trump is losing in the polls, even the Fox News Polls, then the answer is exactly what you support. The Government coming in to "help". Remember Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words for anyone was "I am from the Government and I am here to help". While there is a core group of people who want to see the Feds bashing the skulls of those damned Leftists. Most people worry more about the future. What happens next? If this trend continues, will we see a Federal Police Force in which our local cops are federalized?

What is funny to many of us is that the arguments made by Conservatives for decades are not even mentioned. Local Issues, States Rights, and the usual. Normally the Conservatives are arguing that local school boards are best to determine what the local schools should be teaching. They normally object to Federal Authority being used locally. And a dime will get you a million dollars that if Biden wins in November, suddenly those cries will once again, take center stage. Unfortunately it will take a decade or more for them to resound, after the Conservatives threw that belief out the window in the pursuit of vengeance on their political rivals.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I have said so many many times. I do not know if I can do so again this year. My problem is that again I don't like either candidate. I don't like Biden, as evidenced by my Signature box. And I don't like Trump. I may just ignore the election and see what my fellow citizens decide to do.

In another month, we will see how bad it really is for Trump, and the Republicans. But the nightmare scenario is not that Biden is elected President. The nightmare is the Democrats having control, by a comfortable margin, of the House, Senate, and White House. If the Democrats pick up six or eight seats in the Senate, then the mid terms are irrelevant and you can count on at least four, probably eight years of Democratic control.

Agreed. I voted for Don last time too, but won’t bother voting this time. Very little difference between Don and Joe, but the partisans on each side can’t see that. The ignorance is enormous...the left sees Don as the worst man ever to walk the earth and the right sees Joe as a demented Commie.

Which of the two is the better man. Which is more likely to do for others before he does for himself? Which is a better role model for young people?

This is not even a debatable question. The choice is crystal clear.

None of the Above?

Nope. Sorry. This is an easy question to answer if one endeavors to answer honestly.

 

[gipper]

If you wonder why Trump is losing in the polls, even the Fox News Polls, then the answer is exactly what you support. The Government coming in to "help". Remember Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words for anyone was "I am from the Government and I am here to help". While there is a core group of people who want to see the Feds bashing the skulls of those damned Leftists. Most people worry more about the future. What happens next? If this trend continues, will we see a Federal Police Force in which our local cops are federalized?

What is funny to many of us is that the arguments made by Conservatives for decades are not even mentioned. Local Issues, States Rights, and the usual. Normally the Conservatives are arguing that local school boards are best to determine what the local schools should be teaching. They normally object to Federal Authority being used locally. And a dime will get you a million dollars that if Biden wins in November, suddenly those cries will once again, take center stage. Unfortunately it will take a decade or more for them to resound, after the Conservatives threw that belief out the window in the pursuit of vengeance on their political rivals.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I have said so many many times. I do not know if I can do so again this year. My problem is that again I don't like either candidate. I don't like Biden, as evidenced by my Signature box. And I don't like Trump. I may just ignore the election and see what my fellow citizens decide to do.

In another month, we will see how bad it really is for Trump, and the Republicans. But the nightmare scenario is not that Biden is elected President. The nightmare is the Democrats having control, by a comfortable margin, of the House, Senate, and White House. If the Democrats pick up six or eight seats in the Senate, then the mid terms are irrelevant and you can count on at least four, probably eight years of Democratic control.

Agreed. I voted for Don last time too, but won’t bother voting this time. Very little difference between Don and Joe, but the partisans on each side can’t see that. The ignorance is enormous...the left sees Don as the worst man ever to walk the earth and the right sees Joe as a demented Commie.

Which of the two is the better man. Which is more likely to do for others before he does for himself? Which is a better role model for young people?

This is not even a debatable question. The choice is crystal clear.

Neither and you are deluding yourself thinking otherwise.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If you wonder why Trump is losing in the polls, even the Fox News Polls, then the answer is exactly what you support. The Government coming in to "help". Remember Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words for anyone was "I am from the Government and I am here to help". While there is a core group of people who want to see the Feds bashing the skulls of those damned Leftists. Most people worry more about the future. What happens next? If this trend continues, will we see a Federal Police Force in which our local cops are federalized?

What is funny to many of us is that the arguments made by Conservatives for decades are not even mentioned. Local Issues, States Rights, and the usual. Normally the Conservatives are arguing that local school boards are best to determine what the local schools should be teaching. They normally object to Federal Authority being used locally. And a dime will get you a million dollars that if Biden wins in November, suddenly those cries will once again, take center stage. Unfortunately it will take a decade or more for them to resound, after the Conservatives threw that belief out the window in the pursuit of vengeance on their political rivals.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I have said so many many times. I do not know if I can do so again this year. My problem is that again I don't like either candidate. I don't like Biden, as evidenced by my Signature box. And I don't like Trump. I may just ignore the election and see what my fellow citizens decide to do.

In another month, we will see how bad it really is for Trump, and the Republicans. But the nightmare scenario is not that Biden is elected President. The nightmare is the Democrats having control, by a comfortable margin, of the House, Senate, and White House. If the Democrats pick up six or eight seats in the Senate, then the mid terms are irrelevant and you can count on at least four, probably eight years of Democratic control.

Agreed. I voted for Don last time too, but won’t bother voting this time. Very little difference between Don and Joe, but the partisans on each side can’t see that. The ignorance is enormous...the left sees Don as the worst man ever to walk the earth and the right sees Joe as a demented Commie.

Which of the two is the better man. Which is more likely to do for others before he does for himself? Which is a better role model for young people?

This is not even a debatable question. The choice is crystal clear.

Neither and you are deluding yourself thinking otherwise.

If you refuse to be honest about such an obvious thing, it is no wonder that you struggle with issues which are more opaque.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I can't believe that all Democrats think this is fine. What does this mean for your vote in November?

When mayors and governors need help, they ask.

Federalism.

When governors and mayors arent protecting the innocent citizens from the mob, a sane federal government has the DUTU to protect the constitutional rights of the innocent

 

[SavannahMann]

If you wonder why Trump is losing in the polls, even the Fox News Polls, then the answer is exactly what you support. The Government coming in to "help". Remember Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words for anyone was "I am from the Government and I am here to help". While there is a core group of people who want to see the Feds bashing the skulls of those damned Leftists. Most people worry more about the future. What happens next? If this trend continues, will we see a Federal Police Force in which our local cops are federalized?

What is funny to many of us is that the arguments made by Conservatives for decades are not even mentioned. Local Issues, States Rights, and the usual. Normally the Conservatives are arguing that local school boards are best to determine what the local schools should be teaching. They normally object to Federal Authority being used locally. And a dime will get you a million dollars that if Biden wins in November, suddenly those cries will once again, take center stage. Unfortunately it will take a decade or more for them to resound, after the Conservatives threw that belief out the window in the pursuit of vengeance on their political rivals.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I have said so many many times. I do not know if I can do so again this year. My problem is that again I don't like either candidate. I don't like Biden, as evidenced by my Signature box. And I don't like Trump. I may just ignore the election and see what my fellow citizens decide to do.

In another month, we will see how bad it really is for Trump, and the Republicans. But the nightmare scenario is not that Biden is elected President. The nightmare is the Democrats having control, by a comfortable margin, of the House, Senate, and White House. If the Democrats pick up six or eight seats in the Senate, then the mid terms are irrelevant and you can count on at least four, probably eight years of Democratic control.

Agreed. I voted for Don last time too, but won’t bother voting this time. Very little difference between Don and Joe, but the partisans on each side can’t see that. The ignorance is enormous...the left sees Don as the worst man ever to walk the earth and the right sees Joe as a demented Commie.

Which of the two is the better man. Which is more likely to do for others before he does for himself? Which is a better role model for young people?

This is not even a debatable question. The choice is crystal clear.

None of the Above?

Nope. Sorry. This is an easy question to answer if one endeavors to answer honestly.

Ok. We have Biden who wants to get rid of my second amendment rights. We have Trump who wants to quash my freedom of speech. We have Biden who wants to take more of my money. We have Trump who wants to cost me more money with economic problems.

So what is the crystal clear choice?

 

[White 6]

Are there Democrats or even Independents considering voting for Trump? Not all Democrats can think this is good for our country....

Trump won't get any democrat vote and not much of any independents. He certainly does care about the Democrat run cities. That is a joke. He just likes to have secret police for show as if he were in a communist or strongman totalitarian government like the leaders he admires and thinks it makes him look like a law and order guy. With his record of supporting law or the constitution, nobody will buy that crap. He's made and he's out of here after the election, when the pardons (not just commutations) will fall like confetti, for any his cronies awaiting trial. Since the judge and the appeals court judges said it was illegal of him to steal the money from the military for his wall and it is already spent, I would like to see him prosecuted and jailed.

Opportunity zones and low unemployment before the virus. And you want him jailed. I'm sure the cities are glad you care.

Since I don't live in those cities, I definitely care about the precedents than more than those cities. Accustomed use of secret police has potential to effect me and the country more than poorly handled violence in cities far far away. Watching his goon squad beat the crap out of a former naval officer who was not involved in participating in or perpetrating violence is a pretty powerful witness to things the government is now willing to do, and portends ominously for what they might do in the future. I doubt if the cities or most people in them care what people not associated with their problem think. Why would they? Bet you they are worried about the secret police, though.

 

[White 6]

Are there Democrats or even Independents considering voting for Trump? Not all Democrats can think this is good for our country....

Trump won't get any democrat vote and not much of any independents. He certainly does care about the Democrat run cities. That is a joke. He just likes to have secret police for show as if he were in a communist or strongman totalitarian government like the leaders he admires and thinks it makes him look like a law and order guy. With his record of supporting law or the constitution, nobody will buy that crap. He's made and he's out of here after the election, when the pardons (not just commutations) will fall like confetti, for any his cronies awaiting trial. Since the judge and the appeals court judges said it was illegal of him to steal the money from the military for his wall and it is already spent, I would like to see him prosecuted and jailed.

The mayor nor governor are doing anything to stop the rioting and pillaging. Order must be restored in this hell hole.

Do you live there? Or are you just a partisan?