Democrats Get The Ball Rolling

[Yousaidwhat]

The shooter did not have an automatic weapon.

Tell that to the family of all those victims. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are not that different. It's just a matter of modifications and semantics.

There is a big difference and folks who are on the gun control side of the discussion should learn the difference. Otherwise, they sound like they are arguing from ignorance and lack of knowledge about the issue.

They aren't that different, that's just your argument. Semi automatics kill many in a short period of time and you don't need that for any reason.

Absolutely untrue. You don't know enough to be arguing.

We have all seen the results of a semi auto. 50 dead and 50 injured. We all know enough.

Tissue?

 

[Yousaidwhat]

There is a big difference and folks who are on the gun control side of the discussion should learn the difference. Otherwise, they sound like they are arguing from ignorance and lack of knowledge about the issue.

They aren't that different, that's just your argument. Semi automatics kill many in a short period of time and you don't need that for any reason.

Absolutely untrue. You don't know enough to be arguing.

We have all seen the results of a semi auto. 50 dead and 50 injured. We all know enough.

There would have been many times that number if the shooter had a full auto weapon.

youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4kFzECXGs

Wrong
THere would have been many fewer.
Full auto is inaccurate and wasteful of ammo. This is why the military never trains soldiers to use full auto, or even 3 round burst.

You will never get this through their thick, empty heads.

 

[Geaux4it]

The NRA represents over 5 million gun owners is one reason. Laws will not reduce or change a thing. The law effects the lawful, not the unlawful

-Geaux

How would you know, you all have been railing against any gun laws. The banning of automatic weapons and attending to that watch list are two significant ways to start.

You just proved you do not know what your talking about you have to have a special licenses to own an automatic weapon. Its difficult to get and expensive.

Who cares about this? A semi automatic causes enough damage. Something is being done after the Democrats had their say so I'm happy about that.

You worry about whether a rifle will kill 200 or 100, both numbers are far too high.

what do you want done sara

Thanks, I'm so proud the Democrats filibustered to get the two votes brought to the floor for now.

I want the computers to call out people on watch lists attempting to buy guns just like this website calls out alerts, everytime it happens. I don't want them to be allowed to buy guns.

I want to expand background checks to gun shows and to internet sales.

These things are just common sense. I hope businesses and events where a lot of people gather find the money and find it important enough to scan people walking in.

For now.

But Sara, Were you aware the terrorist had indeed passed (2) independent FBI background checks to purchase (2) firearms?

-Geaux

 

[Sarah G]

How would you know, you all have been railing against any gun laws. The banning of automatic weapons and attending to that watch list are two significant ways to start.

You just proved you do not know what your talking about you have to have a special licenses to own an automatic weapon. Its difficult to get and expensive.

Who cares about this? A semi automatic causes enough damage. Something is being done after the Democrats had their say so I'm happy about that.

You worry about whether a rifle will kill 200 or 100, both numbers are far too high.

what do you want done sara

Thanks, I'm so proud the Democrats filibustered to get the two votes brought to the floor for now.

I want the computers to call out people on watch lists attempting to buy guns just like this website calls out alerts, everytime it happens. I don't want them to be allowed to buy guns.

I want to expand background checks to gun shows and to internet sales.

These things are just common sense. I hope businesses and events where a lot of people gather find the money and find it important enough to scan people walking in.

For now.

But Sara, Were you aware the terrorist had indeed passed (2) independent FBI background checks to purchase (2) firearms?

-Geaux

Yes, this lone killer had a conceal/carry permit. They need to get serious about their data base and checks on that watch list.

 

[80zephyr]

There is a big difference and folks who are on the gun control side of the discussion should learn the difference. Otherwise, they sound like they are arguing from ignorance and lack of knowledge about the issue.

They aren't that different, that's just your argument. Semi automatics kill many in a short period of time and you don't need that for any reason.

Absolutely untrue. You don't know enough to be arguing.

We have all seen the results of a semi auto. 50 dead and 50 injured. We all know enough.

Is 20 dead acceptable? If someone uses a pump shotgun with buckshot in a crowded venue and kills 20, would you call to ban that weapon as well?

How about 10? Is 10 too many?

Mark

You are talking about ifs? We know what happened. No more of the bull it isn't that dangerous. Yes it is that dangerous and if we still had mag limits and assault ban many lives would have been saved.

Deflection. I asked you an acceptable number of dead. We all know that the left is trying to control the number of people killed by banning certain weapons. So I ask again, what number of deaths is acceptable?

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

If you can't elect a president .. and you can't .. then you can't affect the Supreme Court.

Without question gun laws WILL change in this country .. and there won't be a goddamn thing right-wingers can do about it .. just as you have been a total failure on just about every other social issue in this country.

Guns are not a social issue idiot. And we have always won on gun rights.

Yes, you have always won on guns .. but times are a'changin' with the right having far less control of our government and laws .. with even less control on the way .. with no control of the Supreme Court .. dummy

.. and yes, guns are indeed a social issue.

Less control? Gallup poll in Feb,2016 states for the FIRST TIME red states outnumber blue states. In 2008 the blue states outnumbered the red states by 35 to 5, with 10 "swing states". By 2016 blue states numbered 14, while the red states numbered 20. The swing states numbered 16.

You need to start reading better propaganda.

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

Much is left to do but I'm proud of my Ohio senator, Sherrod Brown and the others who got this Republican congress to take a baby step.

Filibuster Ends After GOP Agrees to Allow Gun Control Votes: Senator

Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early Thursday after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures.

Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government's terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added.

"We did not have that commitment when we started today," Murphy said.

GOP to Allow Gun Control Votes After 15-Hour Filibuster: Senator

More gun control laws that don't work, that's the ticket.

It will work with a good database of people on the watch list. We have to learn to work with large groups of people and monitoring their activities on the computer.

The huge unlimited central government already does this. The FBI was on to this shooter, but due to incompetence which is common with government, nothing was done.

Makes one think that the big unlimited central government WANTS these shootings to occur. What better way to dupe millions of Americans to freely giving up their gun rights?

...and let's not forget Obama's complicit actions in Fast and Furious, for which he should have been impeached and removed from office.

Under orders from the top.....

As IBD pointed out after the San Bernardino attacks, Obama took several steps to redirect the war on terror to his own, more politically correct, liking.

“He ordered the FBI and Homeland Security to delete ‘jihad’ from counterterrorism manuals and fire all trainers who linked terrorism to Islam,” we noted in this space.

“[Obama] also stopped a major investigation of terror-supporting Muslim Brotherhood front groups and mosques after U.S. attorneys successfully prosecuted Brotherhood charities.

And [Obama] opened the floodgates to Muslim immigrants, importing more than 400,000 of them, many from terrorist hot spots Somalia, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.”

Even now, Obama seems more intent on blaming the NRA for the Orlando attacks than radical Islam.
Under Obama: 8 Islamic Terror Attacks That Could Have Been Prevented

Notice how the Trump cult is obediently, in a robot-like manner, picking up Trump's Obama-is-pro-ISIS lunacy.

Thank God their numbers are few.

A link was posted as proof. Do you have a link showing that one to be false?

Mark

 

[SwimExpert]

Much is left to do but I'm proud of my Ohio senator, Sherrod Brown and the others who got this Republican congress to take a baby step.

Filibuster Ends After GOP Agrees to Allow Gun Control Votes: Senator

Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early Thursday after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures.

Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government's terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added.

"We did not have that commitment when we started today," Murphy said.

GOP to Allow Gun Control Votes After 15-Hour Filibuster: Senator

Democrats blasted Ted Cruz for his futile defund-Obamacare filibuster. Now Democrats are filibustering for a futile vote on gun control which WILL NOT PASS. But it's different, somehow.

 

[OKTexas]

a secret list is now due process --LOL

no wonder you are so easily led by these clowns in office --LOL

If denying guns to a person on the terror watchlist is unconstitutional, then the suspected terrorist can challenge it in court.

That is what is known as guilty until proven innocent. It is due rocess when the government has to make a case BEFORE he or she is put on the list and denied the right to fly or own a gun.

due process

means that YOU are DUE to a process

as in DUE =a person's right; what is owed to someone

leftards dont understand nor do they care

So you are with those who think the terrorist watchlist should be abolished.

I don't. It should be made constitutional, and then used for both flying and guns.

That's easy, just give people notice, a hearing date and allow them to defend themselves against the accusations. If a judge agrees there is probable cause to restrict their rights he can order them added to the list. That's due process. You can add all the foreign nationals you want to it, they have no constitutional rights.

 

[OKTexas]

For Republicans to do some work for the people. They've been sitting on their hands for too long. Also, why is Trump talking with the NRA? Last I knew they don't influence policy. They are the last ones who should be influencing policy.

The NRA represents over 5 million gun owners is one reason. Laws will not reduce or change a thing. The law effects the lawful, not the unlawful

-Geaux

How would you know, you all have been railing against any gun laws. The banning of automatic weapons and attending to that watch list are two significant ways to start.

Automatic weapons have been banned for decades. The issue is NOT guns.

The issue is that ISIS has declared war and is at war with us and has been for years. The issue is that our Lame Duck President is naive, bullheaded, and inflexible. He seems bent on further endangering our country.

...and for this he should be impeached and removed from office. If we had a two party system instead of one and three equal branches of government instead of one, this might happen. Until then, we are f**ked.

You guys always want Democrats forcibly removed from office, don't you. Did you ever think about choosing candidates that could beat them fairly and honestly?

You don't seem to care about integrity judging by your most recent offerings. Obama had to carry the US out of a near Depression caused by the mismanagement and incompetence of the previous occupants of the WH.

BS, the banksters and ignorant people using their houses as ATM's to spend money they didn't have and couldn't afford crashed the economy.

 

[OKTexas]

You just proved you do not know what your talking about you have to have a special licenses to own an automatic weapon. Its difficult to get and expensive.

Who cares about this? A semi automatic causes enough damage. Something is being done after the Democrats had their say so I'm happy about that.

You worry about whether a rifle will kill 200 or 100, both numbers are far too high.

what do you want done sara

Thanks, I'm so proud the Democrats filibustered to get the two votes brought to the floor for now.

I want the computers to call out people on watch lists attempting to buy guns just like this website calls out alerts, everytime it happens. I don't want them to be allowed to buy guns.

I want to expand background checks to gun shows and to internet sales.

These things are just common sense. I hope businesses and events where a lot of people gather find the money and find it important enough to scan people walking in.

For now.

But Sara, Were you aware the terrorist had indeed passed (2) independent FBI background checks to purchase (2) firearms?

-Geaux

Yes, this lone killer had a conceal/carry permit. They need to get serious about their data base and checks on that watch list.

The FBI removed him from the watch list. They could have checked it forever and found nothing.

 

[hunarcy]

I can't believe you don't dare answer it.

I can easily answer it. Terrorists use planes for mass killings. You know that.

And they use guns for the same. You just created the equivalency. So much for your claims of a difference.

I never said they were different. You are just making shit up now. The way they do the watch list now is unconstitutional. It's wrong to use it to prevent flying, it's wrong to use it to prevent gun ownership. I am and have always been consistent on this.

If they allow due process before being placed on the list, then I have no problem with denying them both.

Is your fog lifting?

I'm not sure I see how it's "unconstitutional" to prevent them from flying, but I agree that there should be a process for them to challenge those decisions and have a hearing. You don't have a Constitutional right to drive either

You don't understand. It is unconstitutional the way it is now, because it denies you due process. The way it is set up now, they could put you in the no-fly list if you disagree with 0bama. There are no rules, no criteria.

Sen. Kennedy Flagged by No-Fly List (washingtonpost.com)

The watch list is SOOOOO accurate.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The NRA represents over 5 million gun owners is one reason. Laws will not reduce or change a thing. The law effects the lawful, not the unlawful

-Geaux

How would you know, you all have been railing against any gun laws. The banning of automatic weapons and attending to that watch list are two significant ways to start.

You just proved you do not know what your talking about you have to have a special licenses to own an automatic weapon. Its difficult to get and expensive.

Who cares about this? A semi automatic causes enough damage. Something is being done after the Democrats had their say so I'm happy about that.

You worry about whether a rifle will kill 200 or 100, both numbers are far too high.

what do you want done sara

Thanks, I'm so proud the Democrats filibustered to get the two votes brought to the floor for now.

I want the computers to call out people on watch lists attempting to buy guns just like this website calls out alerts, everytime it happens. I don't want them to be allowed to buy guns.

I want to expand background checks to gun shows and to internet sales.

These things are just common sense. I hope businesses and events where a lot of people gather find the money and find it important enough to scan people walking in.

For now.

whatever fascist

 

[jon_berzerk]

Who cares about this? A semi automatic causes enough damage. Something is being done after the Democrats had their say so I'm happy about that.

You worry about whether a rifle will kill 200 or 100, both numbers are far too high.

what do you want done sara

Thanks, I'm so proud the Democrats filibustered to get the two votes brought to the floor for now.

I want the computers to call out people on watch lists attempting to buy guns just like this website calls out alerts, everytime it happens. I don't want them to be allowed to buy guns.

I want to expand background checks to gun shows and to internet sales.

These things are just common sense. I hope businesses and events where a lot of people gather find the money and find it important enough to scan people walking in.

For now.

But Sara, Were you aware the terrorist had indeed passed (2) independent FBI background checks to purchase (2) firearms?

-Geaux

Yes, this lone killer had a conceal/carry permit. They need to get serious about their data base and checks on that watch list.

The FBI removed him from the watch list. They could have checked it forever and found nothing.

they dont care

 

[jon_berzerk]

How would you know, you all have been railing against any gun laws. The banning of automatic weapons and attending to that watch list are two significant ways to start.

You just proved you do not know what your talking about you have to have a special licenses to own an automatic weapon. Its difficult to get and expensive.

Who cares about this? A semi automatic causes enough damage. Something is being done after the Democrats had their say so I'm happy about that.

You worry about whether a rifle will kill 200 or 100, both numbers are far too high.

what do you want done sara

Thanks, I'm so proud the Democrats filibustered to get the two votes brought to the floor for now.

I want the computers to call out people on watch lists attempting to buy guns just like this website calls out alerts, everytime it happens. I don't want them to be allowed to buy guns.

I want to expand background checks to gun shows and to internet sales.

These things are just common sense. I hope businesses and events where a lot of people gather find the money and find it important enough to scan people walking in.

For now.

But Sara, Were you aware the terrorist had indeed passed (2) independent FBI background checks to purchase (2) firearms?

-Geaux

doesnt matter to a leftist hellbent on banning people from guns

 

[candycorn]

The GOP seems to be caving…

Weak Congress, Weak Nominee, Weak future….you guys are doing great.

 

[Bush92]

Democrats get the ball rolling...right over your constitutional rights.

 

[Sarah G]

Much is left to do but I'm proud of my Ohio senator, Sherrod Brown and the others who got this Republican congress to take a baby step.

Filibuster Ends After GOP Agrees to Allow Gun Control Votes: Senator

Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early Thursday after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures.

Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government's terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added.

"We did not have that commitment when we started today," Murphy said.

GOP to Allow Gun Control Votes After 15-Hour Filibuster: Senator

Democrats blasted Ted Cruz for his futile defund-Obamacare filibuster. Now Democrats are filibustering for a futile vote on gun control which WILL NOT PASS. But it's different, somehow.

It might pass. Republicans are seeing a lot of public support this time. 80s and high 90% in all party polling. Please stop obstructing the anti terrorist bills, this is important stuff.

 

[Claudette]

Much is left to do but I'm proud of my Ohio senator, Sherrod Brown and the others who got this Republican congress to take a baby step.

Filibuster Ends After GOP Agrees to Allow Gun Control Votes: Senator

Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early Thursday after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures.

Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government's terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added.

"We did not have that commitment when we started today," Murphy said.

GOP to Allow Gun Control Votes After 15-Hour Filibuster: Senator

More gun control laws that don't work, that's the ticket.

Gun control is a moot point since there is a big black market out th

Time for what?

-Geaux

For Republicans to do some work for the people. They've been sitting on their hands for too long. Also, why is Trump talking with the NRA? Last I knew they don't influence policy. They are the last ones who should be influencing policy.

The NRA represents over 5 million gun owners is one reason. Laws will not reduce or change a thing. The law effects the lawful, not the unlawful

-Geaux

How would you know, you all have been railing against any gun laws. The banning of automatic weapons and attending to that watch list are two significant ways to start.

Wrong. Automatic weapons are already banned, and as far as the watch list goes? Do you lefties also hate due process?

How did the shooter own one legally then? However you identify the things, people don't need to own an automatic military grade weapon. He killed 50 people with a legal automatic rifle.

He passed all the gun control rules for buying a gun. That's how he bought it.

If the FBI hadn't dropped the ball he would have been flagged when he tried to buy a gun.

They investigated the man for two years and they say there wasn't enough evidence to go further.

The gun is the tool. The person using it is the weapon. Gun control is bullshit. You can buy a gun on the black market, no rules, as long as you have the money.

 

[gipper]

Much is left to do but I'm proud of my Ohio senator, Sherrod Brown and the others who got this Republican congress to take a baby step.

Filibuster Ends After GOP Agrees to Allow Gun Control Votes: Senator

Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early Thursday after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures.

Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government's terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added.

"We did not have that commitment when we started today," Murphy said.

GOP to Allow Gun Control Votes After 15-Hour Filibuster: Senator

More gun control laws that don't work, that's the ticket.

Gun control is a moot point since there is a big black market out th

For Republicans to do some work for the people. They've been sitting on their hands for too long. Also, why is Trump talking with the NRA? Last I knew they don't influence policy. They are the last ones who should be influencing policy.

The NRA represents over 5 million gun owners is one reason. Laws will not reduce or change a thing. The law effects the lawful, not the unlawful

-Geaux

How would you know, you all have been railing against any gun laws. The banning of automatic weapons and attending to that watch list are two significant ways to start.

Wrong. Automatic weapons are already banned, and as far as the watch list goes? Do you lefties also hate due process?

How did the shooter own one legally then? However you identify the things, people don't need to own an automatic military grade weapon. He killed 50 people with a legal automatic rifle.

He passed all the gun control rules for buying a gun. That's how he bought it.

If the FBI hadn't dropped the ball he would have been flagged when he tried to buy a gun.

They investigated the man for two years and they say there wasn't enough evidence to go further.

The gun is the tool. The person using it is the weapon. Gun control is bullshit. You can buy a gun on the black market, no rules, as long as you have the money.

Not to worry folks.

Once Hillary is president, this debate will be moot...because the 2A won't exist.