Democrats INSIST there is no voter fraud - again they lie

[deanrd]

Once again there is PROOF that Democrats commit election fraud. Not only do they do it, they do it often and without any remorse. They feel it is their "Right" to win by ANY means necessary.
Until the Right fully accepts that this is the domestic enemy we face, they will continue to gain ground.

Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges
Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges

In Democrat states, I predict the Democrats (having no chance to win fairly) will resort to a level of election fraud never before seen in America. In places such as California, Washington and NewYork, and wherever they have their people in control they will brazenly manipulate the election to their favor.

If they couldn't impeach, take down by gun, or otherwise destroy Trump, they will use this as their last resort.

Should their corruption win the election, what comes next will be shocking.
Their goal is the dismantling of America as we knew it, installing Socialism and Globalism.

Democrats never said there was no voter fraud. That’s why so many Republicans have been arrested.

 

[RealDave]

. You have to prove identity and place or residence to register to vote. In some states that requires a government issued picture ID (like you have to show to collect welfare, get food stamps, or check into an ER). In some states a utility bill showing your name and address is all you need (note, you had to show some form of ID to get the utilities turned on).

So, what exactly is disenfranchising about requiring the voter to show the same ID that he or she showed when registering to vote?

and the cite you posted about people who don't have IDs is total bullshit.

Yes, exactly. You should be able to show a utility bill as your form of ID. The most restrictive states don't allow you to use your utility bill, but require state issued ID that shows your current name and address. Anywhere from 1-15% of citizens don't have current photo ID. You ARE disenfranchising more voters than you are stopping fraud...and that's not okay.

When it's the other way around, I'm 100% on board.

And you saying something is bullshit does not make it so.

All I am saying is you should have to show the same proof of ID when you vote as when you registered. Its up to each state to determine what that is.

I am still waiting for an explanation of who in the USA legally today does not have some form of valid ID.

Its on you to answer or admit that you have been lying.

I have no problem with ID. Quit pretending you aren't demanding a photo ID.

Exactly. It is not the I'D itself, it's the narrow and restrictive nature of the required ID.

what is narrow and restrictive about a government issued ID? And no one has ever said that a picture ID would be the only one acceptable for voting.

you libs are trying to transfer your motives to us. Its you who want to limit who can vote.

Republicans in lots of States said a particular photo ID is required.

 

[Seawytch]

I didn't say all ID laws were restrictive. I said some states are more restrictive in the IDs they will accept.

"Illegals" aren't voting.

How do you know that Manual Garcia illegally here from Honduras did not vote in the name of Joe Smith who is dead but still on the voter rolls? You said "illegals are not voting" Prove it.

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

You don’t think there’s a chance that Joes wife could be in there voting? Joes kids? Someone that knows Joe? Your “illegal” is taking an awfully big risk for what gain? He’s risking a potential jail sentence and huge fines for what?

 

[rightwinger]

I have no problem with ID. Quit pretending you aren't demanding a photo ID.

Exactly. It is not the I'D itself, it's the narrow and restrictive nature of the required ID.

Gives Republicans a chance to attack who can get an ID. Anyone with any anomaly in their past will be restricted from voting

more lies, no one wants to restrict any legal citizen from getting an ID. I am still waiting for you to tell me which legal citizens of the USA do not have an ID today. Either answer that question or leave this thread, same applies to seatwitch and eddie boy.

The boogy man isn't real, winger.

Of course they do. Republicans are trying to deny the vote to people that have been voting legally their whole lives

People without a proper birth certificate, people with errors on their birth certificate, people with undocumented name changes or multiple name changes, people with PO Boxes

So, none of those "disenfranchised" voters collect welfare, food stamps, social security? None of them drives? None buys booze of any kind? None ever boards a plane or train? None ever buys a controlled prescription?

You are making it all up, winger. there is no one in the USA today legally who does not have some form of ID.

Some do

Republicans don’t set the rules for who can get food stamps. If they did, very few would get them

There are approximately ten percent of people who do not have ID that would meet Republican standards

 

[Redfish]

ID laws are not restrictive lol
Unless of course you are an illegal who can't get an ID

My grandmother was blind from birth and had massive medical problems and she still had an ID

I didn't say all ID laws were restrictive. I said some states are more restrictive in the IDs they will accept.

"Illegals" aren't voting.

How do you know that Manual Garcia illegally here from Honduras did not vote in the name of Joe Smith who is dead but still on the voter rolls? You said "illegals are not voting" Prove it.

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

When the number of fraudulent votes is less that the voters that are disenfranchised through laws like photo voter ID.

Not one of you libs has been able to tell us who these "no ID" disenfranchised voters are. Until you can answer that simple question, you will remain on the idiot list.

 

[Redfish]

Exactly. It is not the I'D itself, it's the narrow and restrictive nature of the required ID.

Gives Republicans a chance to attack who can get an ID. Anyone with any anomaly in their past will be restricted from voting

more lies, no one wants to restrict any legal citizen from getting an ID. I am still waiting for you to tell me which legal citizens of the USA do not have an ID today. Either answer that question or leave this thread, same applies to seatwitch and eddie boy.

The boogy man isn't real, winger.

Of course they do. Republicans are trying to deny the vote to people that have been voting legally their whole lives

People without a proper birth certificate, people with errors on their birth certificate, people with undocumented name changes or multiple name changes, people with PO Boxes

So, none of those "disenfranchised" voters collect welfare, food stamps, social security? None of them drives? None buys booze of any kind? None ever boards a plane or train? None ever buys a controlled prescription?

You are making it all up, winger. there is no one in the USA today legally who does not have some form of ID.

Some do

Republicans don’t set the rules for who can get food stamps. If they did, very few would get them

There are approximately ten percent of people who do not have ID that would meet Republican standards

Ok, time for you to back up a couple of your talking points.

1. what rules for food stamps have republicans gone on record supporting that would limit who can get them?

2. Who are these 10% of americans who have no ID that republicans would accept, and what are the criteria that republicans have set that makes them unacceptable?

You are posting bullshit as usual, winger.

 

[Redfish]

How do you know that Manual Garcia illegally here from Honduras did not vote in the name of Joe Smith who is dead but still on the voter rolls? You said "illegals are not voting" Prove it.

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

You don’t think there’s a chance that Joes wife could be in there voting? Joes kids? Someone that knows Joe? Your “illegal” is taking an awfully big risk for what gain? He’s risking a potential jail sentence and huge fines for what?

do you think its ok for the wife of a dead person to vote in his name (and her name)? What's the risk to the illegal voter if no one is checking?

 

[rightwinger]

I didn't say all ID laws were restrictive. I said some states are more restrictive in the IDs they will accept.

"Illegals" aren't voting.

How do you know that Manual Garcia illegally here from Honduras did not vote in the name of Joe Smith who is dead but still on the voter rolls? You said "illegals are not voting" Prove it.

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

When the number of fraudulent votes is less that the voters that are disenfranchised through laws like photo voter ID.

Not one of you libs has been able to tell us who these "no ID" disenfranchised voters are. Until you can answer that simple question, you will remain on the idiot list.

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID

 

[Redfish]

How do you know that Manual Garcia illegally here from Honduras did not vote in the name of Joe Smith who is dead but still on the voter rolls? You said "illegals are not voting" Prove it.

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

So who is going in to vote as Joe? Where are the statistics?

thats exactly the problem, no one knows. What we do know is that California issues drivers licenses to illegals and you can use a drivers license to register and vote. Do you think thats OK?

 

[RealDave]

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

So who is going in to vote as Joe? Where are the statistics?

thats exactly the problem, no one knows. What we do know is that California issues drivers licenses to illegals and you can use a drivers license to register and vote. Do you think thats OK?

So you think the licenses are the same?

 

[Redfish]

How do you know that Manual Garcia illegally here from Honduras did not vote in the name of Joe Smith who is dead but still on the voter rolls? You said "illegals are not voting" Prove it.

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

When the number of fraudulent votes is less that the voters that are disenfranchised through laws like photo voter ID.

Not one of you libs has been able to tell us who these "no ID" disenfranchised voters are. Until you can answer that simple question, you will remain on the idiot list.

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID

A hit piece from NPR, is that the best you can come up with? It says poor people and old people don't have IDs.. Are any of those old poor people on medicare, medicaid, food stamps, any form of welfare, rent subsidy programs, prescription drug payment programs? If they are on any of those they have an ID.

the problem is a made up one by the dems and libs because they want illegals to vote, people to vote multiple times, dead people to vote, and people to vote in more than one state or precinct. They know that they cannot win elections with their programs, so they have to cheat. Everyone with a lick of sense knows what is going on, its obvious.

 

[RealDave]

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

You don’t think there’s a chance that Joes wife could be in there voting? Joes kids? Someone that knows Joe? Your “illegal” is taking an awfully big risk for what gain? He’s risking a potential jail sentence and huge fines for what?

do you think its ok for the wife of a dead person to vote in his name (and her name)? What's the risk to the illegal voter if no one is checking?

So, a woman comes to the polls & says, "I am Fred Smith".

 

[Redfish]

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

So who is going in to vote as Joe? Where are the statistics?

thats exactly the problem, no one knows. What we do know is that California issues drivers licenses to illegals and you can use a drivers license to register and vote. Do you think thats OK?

So you think the licenses are the same?

as far as being able to use them to register and vote, yes they are. If you are claiming otherwise, prove it.

 

[Redfish]

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

You don’t think there’s a chance that Joes wife could be in there voting? Joes kids? Someone that knows Joe? Your “illegal” is taking an awfully big risk for what gain? He’s risking a potential jail sentence and huge fines for what?

do you think its ok for the wife of a dead person to vote in his name (and her name)? What's the risk to the illegal voter if no one is checking?

So, a woman comes to the polls & says, "I am Fred Smith".

that was seawitch's scenario, not mine. In mine a man comes in and says, I am Fred Smith. He doesn't have to prove it so he casts a ballot in the name of a dead man.

 

[RealDave]

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

When the number of fraudulent votes is less that the voters that are disenfranchised through laws like photo voter ID.

Not one of you libs has been able to tell us who these "no ID" disenfranchised voters are. Until you can answer that simple question, you will remain on the idiot list.

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID

A hit piece from NPR, is that the best you can come up with? It says poor people and old people don't have IDs.. Are any of those old poor people on medicare, medicaid, food stamps, any form of welfare, rent subsidy programs, prescription drug payment programs? If they are on any of those they have an ID.

the problem is a made up one by the dems and libs because they want illegals to vote, people to vote multiple times, dead people to vote, and people to vote in more than one state or precinct. They know that they cannot win elections with their programs, so they have to cheat. Everyone with a lick of sense knows what is going on, its obvious.

The subject is photo ID.

Republicans want to suppress the vote through culling voter roles, demanding a photo ID, limiting polling stsations in Democrat areas, moving polling places away from poorer neighborhood. and gross gerrymandering.

And you just lie about Democrats & dead people?

I listed things that Republicans have actually done. You present myths.

 

[RealDave]

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

You don’t think there’s a chance that Joes wife could be in there voting? Joes kids? Someone that knows Joe? Your “illegal” is taking an awfully big risk for what gain? He’s risking a potential jail sentence and huge fines for what?

do you think its ok for the wife of a dead person to vote in his name (and her name)? What's the risk to the illegal voter if no one is checking?

So, a woman comes to the polls & says, "I am Fred Smith".

that was seawitch's scenario, not mine. In mine a man comes in and says, I am Fred Smith. He doesn't have to prove it so he casts a ballot in the name of a dead man.

You do realize that political partys can put poll watchers in these voting areas & they can challenge, right?

So how often does a person vote illegally by using someone else's name?

 

[rightwinger]

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

When the number of fraudulent votes is less that the voters that are disenfranchised through laws like photo voter ID.

Not one of you libs has been able to tell us who these "no ID" disenfranchised voters are. Until you can answer that simple question, you will remain on the idiot list.

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID

A hit piece from NPR, is that the best you can come up with? It says poor people and old people don't have IDs.. Are any of those old poor people on medicare, medicaid, food stamps, any form of welfare, rent subsidy programs, prescription drug payment programs? If they are on any of those they have an ID.

the problem is a made up one by the dems and libs because they want illegals to vote, people to vote multiple times, dead people to vote, and people to vote in more than one state or precinct. They know that they cannot win elections with their programs, so they have to cheat. Everyone with a lick of sense knows what is going on, its obvious.

Poor people, old people, people who live in urban areas, young people

They are issued social services cards to receive benefits. Cards Republicans won’t accept

Republicans know they can’t win elections without voter suppression

 

[RealDave]

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

So who is going in to vote as Joe? Where are the statistics?

thats exactly the problem, no one knows. What we do know is that California issues drivers licenses to illegals and you can use a drivers license to register and vote. Do you think thats OK?

So you think the licenses are the same?

as far as being able to use them to register and vote, yes they are. If you are claiming otherwise, prove it.

"The front of the licenses includes the phrase “Federal limits apply,” and the back states: “This card is not acceptable for official federal purposes. This license is issued only as a license to drive a motor vehicle. It does not establish eligibility for employment, voter registration, or public benefits.”"

California driver's license program for those here illegally surpasses 1 million drivers

I just PROVED you to be wrong..again.

Here you are arguing like you actually know something & it turns out that you don't know SHIT.

 

[Seawytch]

I didn't say all ID laws were restrictive. I said some states are more restrictive in the IDs they will accept.

"Illegals" aren't voting.

How do you know that Manual Garcia illegally here from Honduras did not vote in the name of Joe Smith who is dead but still on the voter rolls? You said "illegals are not voting" Prove it.

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

When the number of fraudulent votes is less that the voters that are disenfranchised through laws like photo voter ID.

Not one of you libs has been able to tell us who these "no ID" disenfranchised voters are. Until you can answer that simple question, you will remain on the idiot list.

Yeah, we actually have. You just dismiss it as “fake news”. It’s a very convenient dodge.

What We Know About Voter ID Laws

 

[Seawytch]

Because the guy standing behind him KNOWS Joe Smith. Because the 90 year old pollworker was Joe Smith's High School girlfriend. Because the non citizen here illegally is not going to risk that kind of exposure, fines and jail time for zero gain. In person voter fraud is more rare than winning the lottery, being struck by lightning or having your refrigerator fall on you.

how many illegal votes are acceptable. witchey? what if no one at the polling place knows Joe Smith because he died 20 years ago.

you keep saying some states are more restrictive on voter ID requirements, which ones?

A guy that died 20 years ago is not going to be on the active voter roster. Volunteer to be a pollworker....better yet, get a job during the election at the main election office.

Ok, so lets assume Joe died last year, same scenario. My poll workers to not know everyone on the rolls by sight, do yours?

You don’t think there’s a chance that Joes wife could be in there voting? Joes kids? Someone that knows Joe? Your “illegal” is taking an awfully big risk for what gain? He’s risking a potential jail sentence and huge fines for what?

do you think its ok for the wife of a dead person to vote in his name (and her name)? What's the risk to the illegal voter if no one is checking?

The wife votes in her own name. Now you’re just making shit up.