DemoRATS have now declared political civil war....

[Syriusly]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

Well we survived the Nixon Civil War and the Clinton Civil War- I think we will survive this one.

 

[Faun]

I've seen polls ranging from high 40's to high 50's. And the public hearings are just getting started.

At this point in Nixon's impeachment proceedings, not a single Republican voted to proceed either and public support was lower.

These impeachment proceeding should be done by the Judiciary committee.
In the House Judiciary Committee;
The vote was 27 to 11, with 6 of the committee's 17 Republicans joining all 21 Democrats in voting to send the article to the House.
The correct way to this.

Chillax, we haven't gotten to drafting articles of impeachment yet. We just entered the open hearings phase yesterday.

Open hearings? Where have you been for 3 yrs. like this is something new started.
What do you think we have been watching on c-span?
It was a bipartisan vote on the committee for Nixon.
It was bipartisan for Clinton.
This one has always been one sided.

The open hearings just passed yesterday. WTF is wrong with you?

The hearings have all been on c span.
Pelosi - I open a formal inquiry (without floor vote)
Parisian

The closed door was a continuation of the same BS .
Don't act like this is something new.
It isn't.

Yesterday's hearing was already scheduled and not part of the open hearings.

 

[Billiejeens]

Trump got himself into the mess and the Dems have been very patient since he started violating the Constitution just six days after taking office.
Banning Muslims on January 27, 2017.
After several district federal courts said it was against the law, he had to revise it down to specific countries.

He's been pulling shit ever since.
So let the dumb fuck pull himself up by his Big Boy pants and get himself out of it with the facts, which are against him.
Stop protecting this fucking traitor.

What the fuck is this revisionist bullshit history?


So now the left claims Trumped banned muslims?


Link?


.

You're kidding right?
You can't be this stupid or have this kind of shitty recall of facts.

Executive Order Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States | The White House

Nothing about muslims, idiot

American leftists are without a doubt the least able of critical thought of any group of people on the planet.

 

[danielpalos]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

The right wing only loses credibility whenever they come up with such obvious, "political chicanery".

 

[anynameyouwish]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

The right wing only loses credibility whenever they come up with such obvious, "political chicanery".

"The right wing only loses credibility whenever they come up with such obvious, "political chicanery"


I'm not sure you can lose any more credibility when you have none left.

 

[justoffal]

The Senate does the impeaching.
That is not going to happen.

Keep dreaming.

Which won't bode well for the 23 Republican seats up for grabs next year if the public largely believes he should have been convicted.

They already don't
Overwhelmingly.

I've seen polls ranging from high 40's to high 50's. And the public hearings are just getting started.

At this point in Nixon's impeachment proceedings, not a single Republican voted to proceed either and public support was lower.

I laugh
It's like a grand jury
Only the prosecution has leaked charges
The defense has done nothing yet
This is the highest point that you will achieve

Once the FISA abuse is in the actual public domain
Once Durham puts his report into the public domain
Once the foreign influence is in the public domain
You guys will be lucky to have 10%

Trump refuses to put a war room together to fight the impeachment.
Again, it goes back to his narcissism and sociopathy.
He thinks he "alone can do it".
What a fucking fool.

I dunno.... Every time he puts a team together that's supposed to specialize in something they invariably make things worse. I think he operates on his own level are there really isn't anyone else around he can partner with.

Jo

 

[bodecea]

I've seen polls ranging from high 40's to high 50's. And the public hearings are just getting started.

At this point in Nixon's impeachment proceedings, not a single Republican voted to proceed either and public support was lower.

Do you have rebuttal other than a smiley face?

LOL

Laughing at your drivel wasn't enough?

If that's all you have

LOL

That's all I need.

So there were no FISA warrants issued?

Heck, we're still waiting for the FISA declassification.

 

[rightwinger]

Which won't bode well for the 23 Republican seats up for grabs next year if the public largely believes he should have been convicted.

They already don't
Overwhelmingly.

I've seen polls ranging from high 40's to high 50's. And the public hearings are just getting started.

At this point in Nixon's impeachment proceedings, not a single Republican voted to proceed either and public support was lower.

These impeachment proceeding should be done by the Judiciary committee.
In the House Judiciary Committee;
The vote was 27 to 11, with 6 of the committee's 17 Republicans joining all 21 Democrats in voting to send the article to the House.
The correct way to this.

Chillax, we haven't gotten to drafting articles of impeachment yet. We just entered the open hearings phase yesterday.

Open hearings? Where have you been for 3 yrs. like this is something new started.
What do you think we have been watching on c-span?
It was a bipartisan vote on the committee for Nixon.
It was bipartisan for Clinton.
This one has always been one sided.

Clinton impeachment was anything but bipartisan

Republicans dominated the hearings and forced testimony
Trump refuses to provide documents or allow his people to testify

 

[OKTexas]

That's not what is at issue here.
This impeachment is a political hatchet job created in the House by Democrats using fake evidence and perjured testimony by Obama Administration spies.
It's simply a continuation of the Russian Collusion hoax. They simply changed the country involved.

It is the central issue here. If any sort of investigation/impeachment of the president is illegitimate just because it is mostly partisan then we have lost the ability as a nation to hold the president accountable for his actions. Partisanship is not going away any time soon. We cannot allow this to become the new normal where the president feels safe to be as corrupt as they want.

Sounds nice, but it's total hogwash in this case. What you're saying is that it's okay to make anything a Republican president does become against the law just because you lost the election.
The problem with going down this slippery-slope is it will make anything any president does become grounds for impeachment...if it doesn't go along with the desires of the majority in the House. That's essentially a breach of the separation of powers and institutes mob rule.....which is not a Democracy.

We elected the democrats in the house specifically to hold the president accountable for his actions. It's not like Trump's own people didn't warn him he was on dangerous ground with the Ukraine affair but he did it anyway. Blame him for being stupid and lacking in foresight.

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

 

[Billiejeens]

Which won't bode well for the 23 Republican seats up for grabs next year if the public largely believes he should have been convicted.

They already don't
Overwhelmingly.

I've seen polls ranging from high 40's to high 50's. And the public hearings are just getting started.

At this point in Nixon's impeachment proceedings, not a single Republican voted to proceed either and public support was lower.

I laugh
It's like a grand jury
Only the prosecution has leaked charges
The defense has done nothing yet
This is the highest point that you will achieve

Once the FISA abuse is in the actual public domain
Once Durham puts his report into the public domain
Once the foreign influence is in the public domain
You guys will be lucky to have 10%

Trump refuses to put a war room together to fight the impeachment.
Again, it goes back to his narcissism and sociopathy.
He thinks he "alone can do it".
What a fucking fool.

I dunno.... Every time he puts a team together that's supposed to specialize in something they invariably make things worse. I think he operates on his own level are there really isn't anyone else around he can partner with.

Jo

The American People are the War Room.

 

[Billiejeens]

It is the central issue here. If any sort of investigation/impeachment of the president is illegitimate just because it is mostly partisan then we have lost the ability as a nation to hold the president accountable for his actions. Partisanship is not going away any time soon. We cannot allow this to become the new normal where the president feels safe to be as corrupt as they want.

Sounds nice, but it's total hogwash in this case. What you're saying is that it's okay to make anything a Republican president does become against the law just because you lost the election.
The problem with going down this slippery-slope is it will make anything any president does become grounds for impeachment...if it doesn't go along with the desires of the majority in the House. That's essentially a breach of the separation of powers and institutes mob rule.....which is not a Democracy.

We elected the democrats in the house specifically to hold the president accountable for his actions. It's not like Trump's own people didn't warn him he was on dangerous ground with the Ukraine affair but he did it anyway. Blame him for being stupid and lacking in foresight.

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

Only in a Democrats Head does any of this make sense.
Ukraine put people in jail for assisting Hillary in the US election.

People
In
Jail

The only conspiracy thing about that - is that more than 1 person knows about it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

Well we survived the Nixon Civil War and the Clinton Civil War- I think we will survive this one.

Not really a fair comparison. With both Nixon and Clinton, there was actual evidence of wrongdoing. This clown car here wants to impeach a President based on opinion and not fact.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

for 150 years they opposed civil rights

but today they claim that they ALWAYS SUPPORTED civil rights and it was those RACIST DEMS who opposed it

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

Yes, the Northern liberal Republicans voted for civil rights, while the racist right wing Democrats of the South opposed it.

And?

Oh.....so now the Republicans were the true blue liberals and the Democrats were the right-wing racists?

 

[Faun]

It is the central issue here. If any sort of investigation/impeachment of the president is illegitimate just because it is mostly partisan then we have lost the ability as a nation to hold the president accountable for his actions. Partisanship is not going away any time soon. We cannot allow this to become the new normal where the president feels safe to be as corrupt as they want.

Sounds nice, but it's total hogwash in this case. What you're saying is that it's okay to make anything a Republican president does become against the law just because you lost the election.
The problem with going down this slippery-slope is it will make anything any president does become grounds for impeachment...if it doesn't go along with the desires of the majority in the House. That's essentially a breach of the separation of powers and institutes mob rule.....which is not a Democracy.

We elected the democrats in the house specifically to hold the president accountable for his actions. It's not like Trump's own people didn't warn him he was on dangerous ground with the Ukraine affair but he did it anyway. Blame him for being stupid and lacking in foresight.

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Gimme dirt on Biden, or no aid.

The very definition of corruption.

1) that was never said or even hinted.
2) Ukraine got the aid.
3) Trump has no dirt on Biden from the Ukraine.
4) Durham opened up a criminal investigation that will support Trump in the end.

1) . Where's Mick Mulvaney, then? Or did you miss that presser where he openly ADMITTED Trump's QPQ and told the reporters to "get over it".

Fox didn't broadcast that?

Then you're just another Trump mushroom thriving in the dark with daily manure thrown in to keep you alive.

What he said is that Presidents have done that all the time, and they did. Slow Joe was speaking on behalf of DumBama when he did his quid pro quo. He stated the President would not give any aid to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor that was on the case of his son's employer.

The transcript between Trump and Zelensky is out there for everybody to read. Democrats can't lie their way out of this one.

Complete word-for-word transcript?

No, the redacted transcript; the only one that could be made available to the public.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ahemmm, the Democrats do have the majority in the house, chosen by we the people... and not an electoral college, so OF COURSE they would be the ones to write the rules of this process for the House.

The process is very fair... stop whining about process and find a way to DEFEND Trump, for his alleged wrong doings, IF YOU CAN....

They should not suspend the Constitution because of their fleeting majority. They went full Stalin attempting to deny THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES his constitutional rights

If left unchecked what the fuck will these Fascists do next?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

for 150 years they opposed civil rights

but today they claim that they ALWAYS SUPPORTED civil rights and it was those RACIST DEMS who opposed it

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’



meaning?

proving?


I note that your FACT is VAGUE!

you give no actual numbers.

the percentage could have been very close but you have chosen to spin it in a manner to deceive people into believing something that isn't actually true.

How conservative of you.


I'll fix that....

I'll give the ACTUAL numbers!

HOUSE

DEMOCRATIC party; 152-96 (61-39%) and the 96 dems who voted against were (I see you forgot to mention this) SOUTHERN CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS

REPUBLICAN party 138-34 (80-20%) and the 34 repubs who voted against civil rights were, once again, SOUTHERN CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS (why do you NEVER mention that fact?...do you CHOOSE to lie?)


SENATE

DEM 44-23

REP 27-6

So your attempt to make it look like REPUBS (CONSERVATIVES) voted FOR civil rights while dems voted AGAINST it is just lies and bull shit.

WTF do you dummies comment on an article you never even looked at? Here, from the article:

The House passed the bill after 70 days of public hearings and testimony in a 290-130 vote. The bill received 152 “yea” votes from Democrats, or 60 percent of their party, and 138 votes from Republicans, or 78 percent of their party.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

for 150 years they opposed civil rights

but today they claim that they ALWAYS SUPPORTED civil rights and it was those RACIST DEMS who opposed it

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

Republicans in the North...also Democrats in the North. NO Republicans in the South voted for the CIvil Rights Act while a few Democrats did.

This isn't rocket science. A claim was made that Republicans (meaning the Republican party) voted against civil rights. It's a lie. A larger percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights bill than did Democrats.

 

[OKTexas]

Sounds nice, but it's total hogwash in this case. What you're saying is that it's okay to make anything a Republican president does become against the law just because you lost the election.
The problem with going down this slippery-slope is it will make anything any president does become grounds for impeachment...if it doesn't go along with the desires of the majority in the House. That's essentially a breach of the separation of powers and institutes mob rule.....which is not a Democracy.

We elected the democrats in the house specifically to hold the president accountable for his actions. It's not like Trump's own people didn't warn him he was on dangerous ground with the Ukraine affair but he did it anyway. Blame him for being stupid and lacking in foresight.

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

Only in a Democrats Head does any of this make sense.
Ukraine put people in jail for assisting Hillary in the US election.

People
In
Jail

The only conspiracy thing about that - is that more than 1 person knows about it.

Yep, there are many folks sweating bullets over the Barr-Durham investigation. The commies are crying because they are going to foreign countries for assistance in that investigation. Of course they had no problem with Mueller sending people to 13 countries in his investigation.

.

 

[sparky]

we need people to destroy the status quo

A tad hard when it's who you're rootin' for

~S~