DemoRATS have now declared political civil war....

[Olde Europe]

No, I've said this dozens of times now.... maybe someday a rightard will absorb it... I'm saying someone running for office can't solicit an investigation into another person running for that same office.

Capiche?

I think you are bringing this misunderstanding about, Faun.

The principle is, You cannot use the office for personal gain, or for any purpose other than the interests of the U.S. of A. Like, "Yes, of course, you can get that building permit, but first I need a favor..."

It really is just circumstantial that in Trump's case (this one we know of) it involved a potential competitor for his office. Had he asked for, say, an investigation into a candidate for the U.S. Senate with ties to Ukraine, it would have been just as corrupt.

That said, does anyone believe that, when Trump vanished behind closed doors with Putin and no other U.S. officials present, he negotiated in the best interest of the U.S.?

 

[peach174]

Clinton impeachment was anything but bipartisan

Republicans dominated the hearings and forced testimony
Trump refuses to provide documents or allow his people to testify

Republicans had actual charges filed by the Department Of Justice.
Democrats are in search of possible charges.
Big fucking difference.

Democrats were hoping for some charges from the Mueller Investigation.....but he found nothing...and knew in the first couple of weeks that the whole thing was a fishing expedition.

Kenneth Starr filed 11 charges including 5 counts of perjury, 2 counts of obstruction of justice, 1 count of witness tampering, and abuse of power. Starr Report - Wikipedia

Idiot.... show the forum where the Constitution mandates a DoJ investigation prior to impeaching a president....

People like you are hopeless.
Separation of powers is one of the key doctrines built into the Constitution by our founding Fathers. Trump's actions are destroying the doctrine that prevents an all powerful leader like a king or dictator. Why do you think Trump is envious of Putin and Kim Jong Un. He wants the same power they have. And idiots like you will give it to him.
You are too fricking stupid to ever understand.

What you all don't understand is the vast majority of baby boomers hate socialism and communists.
The exception back in the 60's would be the types like Bernie Sanders and Lee Harvey Oswald.
We grew up with the threat of the U.S.S.R. and Cuba.
It's an insult to him and all of us when you believe the false lies.
TRUMP is a baby boomer who hates those totalitarian indoctrinations.
You all have fallen for the far left political propaganda machine.
Yet the Democratic party has become the one far left radical social democratic party, where no other representation of the other 2 ideologies are wiped out with no representation.
That is not America or what America is all about.

Socialism and Communism ends up with a totalitarian leader. Russia and North Korea are good examples. Trump is envious of Putin and Kim Jong Un.
Bernie Sanders is not the answer but if you do not want totalitarian government you do not want Trump.
Our current government is already a hybrid of capitalism and socialism. The key to prevent a totalitarian government is to keep separation of powers alive and well.

No Trump is not envious of either ass hole leaders who's people have no rights whatsoever in those countries.
When you say things like that ,what is not true ,it makes you sound uninformed.
I also agree in Separation of powers it's the far left radicals that don't, who want to force
their social democracy on everyone else.
We all work best when we have all three representations of ideologies working together and compromising by all 3.

 

[basquebromance]

Only one of them can be trusted with classified intelligence.

 

[rightwinger]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

Well we survived the Nixon Civil War and the Clinton Civil War- I think we will survive this one.

Not really a fair comparison. With both Nixon and Clinton, there was actual evidence of wrongdoing. This clown car here wants to impeach a President based on opinion and not fact.

What facts are missing from the transcript of the call and what has been testified about it?

Blatant attempt at bribery

 

[OKTexas]

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

Trump asked Zelensky for cooperation with the AG 4 times during the call. That is a perfectly acceptable practice. Mueller sent people to 13 countries, was that not legally allowed?

.

What office was Mueller running for?

Are you saying running for office makes one immune form investigation? It appears the commies in the house didn't get that memo.

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No, I've said this dozens of times now.... maybe someday a rightard will absorb it... I'm saying someone running for office can't solicit an investigation into another person running for that same office.

Capiche?

And where the fuck is that written? All federal law enforcement powers are derived from the President.

What's your thoughts about 6 senators who are running for the same office sitting as jurors?

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[TroglocratsRdumb]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

closed door hearings, coached witnesses, personal political connections, fabricated evidence = illegitimate impeachment

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Their Illegitimate impeachment will be the ultimate boomerang on the idiot Klanocrats

 

[ElmerMudd]

Republicans had actual charges filed by the Department Of Justice.
Democrats are in search of possible charges.
Big fucking difference.

Democrats were hoping for some charges from the Mueller Investigation.....but he found nothing...and knew in the first couple of weeks that the whole thing was a fishing expedition.

Kenneth Starr filed 11 charges including 5 counts of perjury, 2 counts of obstruction of justice, 1 count of witness tampering, and abuse of power. Starr Report - Wikipedia

Idiot.... show the forum where the Constitution mandates a DoJ investigation prior to impeaching a president....

People like you are hopeless.
Separation of powers is one of the key doctrines built into the Constitution by our founding Fathers. Trump's actions are destroying the doctrine that prevents an all powerful leader like a king or dictator. Why do you think Trump is envious of Putin and Kim Jong Un. He wants the same power they have. And idiots like you will give it to him.
You are too fricking stupid to ever understand.

What you all don't understand is the vast majority of baby boomers hate socialism and communists.
The exception back in the 60's would be the types like Bernie Sanders and Lee Harvey Oswald.
We grew up with the threat of the U.S.S.R. and Cuba.
It's an insult to him and all of us when you believe the false lies.
TRUMP is a baby boomer who hates those totalitarian indoctrinations.
You all have fallen for the far left political propaganda machine.
Yet the Democratic party has become the one far left radical social democratic party, where no other representation of the other 2 ideologies are wiped out with no representation.
That is not America or what America is all about.

Socialism and Communism ends up with a totalitarian leader. Russia and North Korea are good examples. Trump is envious of Putin and Kim Jong Un.
Bernie Sanders is not the answer but if you do not want totalitarian government you do not want Trump.
Our current government is already a hybrid of capitalism and socialism. The key to prevent a totalitarian government is to keep separation of powers alive and well.

No Trump is not envious of either ass hole leaders who's people have no rights whatsoever in those countries.
When you say things like that ,what is not true ,it makes you sound uninformed.
I also agree in Separation of powers it's the far left radicals that don't, who want to force
their social democracy on everyone else.
We all work best when we have all three representations of ideologies working together and compromising by all 3.

Trump is definitely envious of Putin and Kim Jong Un. You should have seen many examples over the past two years in the news including Fox. If not read the articles below.
The many different ways Trump has described Putin and Russian election interference
Trump on North Korea Talks: Kim Jong Un Is a ‘Real Leader’

 

[OKTexas]

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

Trump asked Zelensky for cooperation with the AG 4 times during the call. That is a perfectly acceptable practice. Mueller sent people to 13 countries, was that not legally allowed?

.

What office was Mueller running for?

?

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[Crepitus]

It’s time to Subpoena The Transxripts of Schiff’s Secret Kangaroo Court Hearings now that The GOP was given some rights.

Still is a scam the rules are Rigged against Due Process.

Nazi - Commie witch hunts over absolutely nothing illegal or unethical is unacceptable, and so are the unbalanced and unfair process they are trying to con America with.

Ahemmm, the Democrats do have the majority in the house, chosen by we the people... and not an electoral college, so OF COURSE they would be the ones to write the rules of this process for the House.

The process is very fair... stop whining about process and find a way to DEFEND Trump, for his alleged wrong doings, IF YOU CAN....

What's fair about it?
It gives Schiff full power so still no proper defense.
Welcome to the USSR.

There is no defense to mount anyway. This is indefensible.

We aren't talking about the Benghazi hearings or the Clinton impeachment here.

The transcripts will be released soon.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

Well we survived the Nixon Civil War and the Clinton Civil War- I think we will survive this one.

Not really a fair comparison. With both Nixon and Clinton, there was actual evidence of wrongdoing. This clown car here wants to impeach a President based on opinion and not fact.

What facts are missing from the transcript of the call and what has been testified about it?

Blatant attempt at bribery

Facts like Trump never once threatened to withhold anything from Ukraine based on any investigation. Facts like even if he did, he broke no laws doing it. Presidents have done this all the time in the past, and Biden is a perfect example of it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Chillax, we haven't gotten to drafting articles of impeachment yet. We just entered the open hearings phase yesterday.

Open hearings? Where have you been for 3 yrs. like this is something new started.
What do you think we have been watching on c-span?
It was a bipartisan vote on the committee for Nixon.
It was bipartisan for Clinton.
This one has always been one sided.

Clinton impeachment was anything but bipartisan

Republicans dominated the hearings and forced testimony
Trump refuses to provide documents or allow his people to testify

Republicans had actual charges filed by the Department Of Justice.
Democrats are in search of possible charges.
Big fucking difference.

Democrats were hoping for some charges from the Mueller Investigation.....but he found nothing...and knew in the first couple of weeks that the whole thing was a fishing expedition.

Kenneth Starr filed 11 charges including 5 counts of perjury, 2 counts of obstruction of justice, 1 count of witness tampering, and abuse of power. Starr Report - Wikipedia

Idiot.... show the forum where the Constitution mandates a DoJ investigation prior to impeaching a president....

People like you are hopeless.
Separation of powers is one of the key doctrines built into the Constitution by our founding Fathers. Trump's actions are destroying the doctrine that prevents an all powerful leader like a king or dictator. Why do you think Trump is envious of Putin and Kim Jong Un. He wants the same power they have. And idiots like you will give it to him.
You are too fricking stupid to ever understand.

So what do you think Trump did that violated the Separation of Power?

 

[mudwhistle]

It’s time to Subpoena The Transxripts of Schiff’s Secret Kangaroo Court Hearings now that The GOP was given some rights.

Still is a scam the rules are Rigged against Due Process.

Nazi - Commie witch hunts over absolutely nothing illegal or unethical is unacceptable, and so are the unbalanced and unfair process they are trying to con America with.

What's fair about it?
It gives Schiff full power so still no proper defense.
Welcome to the USSR.

There is no defense to mount anyway. This is indefensible.

We aren't talking about the Benghazi hearings or the Clinton impeachment here.

The transcripts will be released soon.

Edited of course....which renders them useless.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

When Comey goes to prison he will go gay in about 1 second

 

[mudwhistle]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

Well we survived the Nixon Civil War and the Clinton Civil War- I think we will survive this one.

Not really a fair comparison. With both Nixon and Clinton, there was actual evidence of wrongdoing. This clown car here wants to impeach a President based on opinion and not fact.

What facts are missing from the transcript of the call and what has been testified about it?

Blatant attempt at bribery

Prove it, DICKHEAD.....

The only mention of bribery was the faked parody transcript Pencil-neck read the first day of his "inquiry"....then was forced to admit was bullshit.

 

[Crepitus]

It’s time to Subpoena The Transxripts of Schiff’s Secret Kangaroo Court Hearings now that The GOP was given some rights.

Still is a scam the rules are Rigged against Due Process.

Nazi - Commie witch hunts over absolutely nothing illegal or unethical is unacceptable, and so are the unbalanced and unfair process they are trying to con America with.

There is no defense to mount anyway. This is indefensible.

We aren't talking about the Benghazi hearings or the Clinton impeachment here.

The transcripts will be released soon.

Edited of course....which renders them useless.

You do know there were republicans in those meetings, right?

Are they just gonna let it go if the releases are edited like tRump's was?

 

[mudwhistle]

It’s time to Subpoena The Transxripts of Schiff’s Secret Kangaroo Court Hearings now that The GOP was given some rights.

Still is a scam the rules are Rigged against Due Process.

Nazi - Commie witch hunts over absolutely nothing illegal or unethical is unacceptable, and so are the unbalanced and unfair process they are trying to con America with.

We aren't talking about the Benghazi hearings or the Clinton impeachment here.

The transcripts will be released soon.

Edited of course....which renders them useless.

You do know there were republicans in those meetings, right?

Are they just gonna let it go if the releases are edited like tRump's was?

They aren't allowed to read the transcripts ahead of their release.....so who knows what shit they're taking out....or putting in.

 

[Billiejeens]

We elected the democrats in the house specifically to hold the president accountable for his actions. It's not like Trump's own people didn't warn him he was on dangerous ground with the Ukraine affair but he did it anyway. Blame him for being stupid and lacking in foresight.

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

Trump asked Zelensky for cooperation with the AG 4 times during the call. That is a perfectly acceptable practice. Mueller sent people to 13 countries, was that not legally allowed?

.

They have specific rules for Trump

 

[Billiejeens]

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

Trump asked Zelensky for cooperation with the AG 4 times during the call. That is a perfectly acceptable practice. Mueller sent people to 13 countries, was that not legally allowed?

.

What office was Mueller running for?

Leader of the retards?

 

[WEATHER53]

It’s pretty much-“It would be nice to win Presidency but main goal is to remove Trump”