DemoRATS have now declared political civil war....

[mudwhistle]

Trump wasn't warned by his own people.
None of these witnesses are his own people.
Everyone who supported the president can see this for what it is. The Democrats couldn't generate any crimes from the Mueller Investigation so they're trying to create something from normal operating situations. It is purely a political matter, not a legal matter. It's like saying the president isn't allowed to do what presidents before him did because it scares snowflakes.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of claims of Russian interference in our elections yet Democrats are trying to prevent him from proving who was responsible.

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

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There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

Trump asked Zelensky for cooperation with the AG 4 times during the call. That is a perfectly acceptable practice. Mueller sent people to 13 countries, was that not legally allowed?

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They have specific rules for Trump

They lost the election.....so they want to be able to tell the president what he can and cannot do.
That way they still get most of what they want.
Which is nothing good for the American people.

This isn't about the rule of law....but about undermining the current administration thru lies and deceptions.

 

[Lesh]

They lost the election.....so they want to be able to tell the president what he can and cannot do.

What he can not (or should not) do is break the law and act in the interest of Russia at the expense of America

 

[rightwinger]

Open hearings? Where have you been for 3 yrs. like this is something new started.
What do you think we have been watching on c-span?
It was a bipartisan vote on the committee for Nixon.
It was bipartisan for Clinton.
This one has always been one sided.

Clinton impeachment was anything but bipartisan

Republicans dominated the hearings and forced testimony
Trump refuses to provide documents or allow his people to testify

Republicans had actual charges filed by the Department Of Justice.
Democrats are in search of possible charges.
Big fucking difference.

Democrats were hoping for some charges from the Mueller Investigation.....but he found nothing...and knew in the first couple of weeks that the whole thing was a fishing expedition.

Kenneth Starr filed 11 charges including 5 counts of perjury, 2 counts of obstruction of justice, 1 count of witness tampering, and abuse of power. Starr Report - Wikipedia

Idiot.... show the forum where the Constitution mandates a DoJ investigation prior to impeaching a president....

People like you are hopeless.
Separation of powers is one of the key doctrines built into the Constitution by our founding Fathers. Trump's actions are destroying the doctrine that prevents an all powerful leader like a king or dictator. Why do you think Trump is envious of Putin and Kim Jong Un. He wants the same power they have. And idiots like you will give it to him.
You are too fricking stupid to ever understand.

What you all don't understand is the vast majority of baby boomers hate socialism and communists.
The exception back in the 60's would be the types like Bernie Sanders and Lee Harvey Oswald.
We grew up with the threat of the U.S.S.R. and Cuba.
It's an insult to him and all of us when you believe the false lies.
TRUMP is a baby boomer who hates those totalitarian indoctrinations.
You all have fallen for the far left political propaganda machine.
Yet the Democratic party has become the one far left radical social democratic party, where no other representation of the other 2 ideologies are wiped out with no representation.
That is not America or what America is all about.

Nonsense
Trump is an egotistical capitalist only concerned with his own interests

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is trying to get to the bottom of Russian hacking by getting Ukraine to investigate Biden??

You must live in some alternate universe.

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

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There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

Trump asked Zelensky for cooperation with the AG 4 times during the call. That is a perfectly acceptable practice. Mueller sent people to 13 countries, was that not legally allowed?

.

They have specific rules for Trump

They lost the election.....so they want to be able to tell the president what he can and cannot do.
That way they still get most of what they want.
Which is nothing good for the American people.

This isn't about the rule of law....but about undermining the current administration thru lies and deceptions.

We CAN tell the President he is not allowed to break the law

 

[Olde Europe]

We CAN tell the President he is not allowed to break the law

Quite. Moreover, no Congress has ever before legislated to determine what U.S. (foreign) policy should be, and never did Congress tell the president to comply. That has never, ever happened to any president other than Trump.

These vicarious victim cards drawn on behalf of the Dear Leader become more scurrilous every day.

 

[rightwinger]

We CAN tell the President he is not allowed to break the law

Quite. Moreover, no Congress has ever before legislated to determine what U.S. (foreign) policy should be, and never did Congress tell the president to comply. That has never, ever happened to any president other than Trump.

These vicarious victim cards drawn on behalf of the Dear Leader become more scurrilous every day.

It goes beyond foreign policy to using foreign policy for personal gain

 

[mudwhistle]

They lost the election.....so they want to be able to tell the president what he can and cannot do.

What he can not (or should not) do is break the law and act in the interest of Russia at the expense of America

That lie is a product of the Hillary Campaign.
Good God....the woman called Tulsi Gabbart a Russian asset the other day.
Where do you think the Russian Collusion hoax originated from? Hillary, Obama Would Both Be Classified as Russian Assets Based on John Brennan Statement

 

[Lesh]

Good God....the woman called Tulsi Gabbart a Russian asset the other day

She called her a REPUBLICAN asset...which you seem to think is the same thing

Interesting

 

[mudwhistle]

Good God....the woman called Tulsi Gabbart a Russian asset the other day

She called her a REPUBLICAN asset...which you seem to think is the same thing

Interesting

She called her a Russian asset.
You're the one who thinks they're the same.

"Last month, Hillary Clinton caused quite a furor when she said that Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard was “the favorite of the Russians” and that “[t]hey have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.”

There wasn’t really any evidence for this, but it was Hillary, so that meant it was high time for some people to go out and create it." Hillary, Obama Would Both Be Classified as Russian Assets Based on John Brennan Statement


“Hillary Clinton got a lot of attention in the past week and a half or so for saying that she was, in her view, believed Tulsi Gabbard … was a Russian asset. And her staff doubled down on that … Do you see what she was talking about there?” Margaret Brennan said, according to Fox News.

Brennan said that while he would leave it to Clinton, he thought it was feasible.

“You can say something is a Russian asset even if it is not intentionally trying to advance Russian interests, but because of what it does or what it says or whatever, it is, in fact, something that is promoting the Russian agenda,” Brennan answered, saying he thought this may have been what she meant about Gabbard being a Russian asset.​

 

[Olde Europe]

We CAN tell the President he is not allowed to break the law

Quite. Moreover, no Congress has ever before legislated to determine what U.S. (foreign) policy should be, and never did Congress tell the president to comply. That has never, ever happened to any president other than Trump.

These vicarious victim cards drawn on behalf of the Dear Leader become more scurrilous every day.

It goes beyond foreign policy to using foreign policy for personal gain

Does it, RW?

Their gripe was, Congress is telling Trump what (not) to do. The horror, the ignominy. They are advocating autocracy, and that goes well beyond "personal gain".

 

[Lesh]

Good God....the woman called Tulsi Gabbart a Russian asset the other day

She called her a REPUBLICAN asset...which you seem to think is the same thing

Interesting

She called her a Russian asset.
You're the one who thinks they're the same.

"Last month, Hillary Clinton caused quite a furor when she said that Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard was “the favorite of the Russians” and that “[t]hey have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.”

There wasn’t really any evidence for this, but it was Hillary, so that meant it was high time for some people to go out and create it." Hillary, Obama Would Both Be Classified as Russian Assets Based on John Brennan Statement


“Hillary Clinton got a lot of attention in the past week and a half or so for saying that she was, in her view, believed Tulsi Gabbard … was a Russian asset. And her staff doubled down on that … Do you see what she was talking about there?” Margaret Brennan said, according to Fox News.

Brennan said that while he would leave it to Clinton, he thought it was feasible.

“You can say something is a Russian asset even if it is not intentionally trying to advance Russian interests, but because of what it does or what it says or whatever, it is, in fact, something that is promoting the Russian agenda,” Brennan answered, saying he thought this may have been what she meant about Gabbard being a Russian asset.​

Go find an actual QUOTE where she calls Gabbard a RUSSIAN asset.

You won't find it because she didn't do that.

She said REPUBLICANS were "grooming" Gabbard as a third party candidate

Of course the difference (between being a Republican asset and a Russian asset) is minimal these days right?

 

[rightwinger]

We CAN tell the President he is not allowed to break the law

Quite. Moreover, no Congress has ever before legislated to determine what U.S. (foreign) policy should be, and never did Congress tell the president to comply. That has never, ever happened to any president other than Trump.

These vicarious victim cards drawn on behalf of the Dear Leader become more scurrilous every day.

It goes beyond foreign policy to using foreign policy for personal gain

Does it, RW?

Their gripe was, Congress is telling Trump what (not) to do. The horror, the ignominy. They are advocating autocracy, and that goes well beyond "personal gain".

Congress is holding Trump accountable
That is their function

 

[mudwhistle]

A Ukraine court said people in Ukraine put out false information on the Trump campaign, and spoke publicly about Trump negatively. Biden was maobamas point man in Ukraine, was Biden involved in that disinformation campaign? Only way to find out is an investigation. If there's nothing to find, what's the problem?

.

There's no problem with investigating Biden. Trump's problem is he's not legally allowed to be the one to solicit an investigation into it by a foreign nation.

Trump asked Zelensky for cooperation with the AG 4 times during the call. That is a perfectly acceptable practice. Mueller sent people to 13 countries, was that not legally allowed?

.

They have specific rules for Trump

They lost the election.....so they want to be able to tell the president what he can and cannot do.
That way they still get most of what they want.
Which is nothing good for the American people.

This isn't about the rule of law....but about undermining the current administration thru lies and deceptions.

We CAN tell the President he is not allowed to break the law

I'm sure he's been told that thousands of times. Lawbreakers in Washington have been telling him that since before he was sworn in. The media has been falsely accusing him of being a dictator and a murderer without one ounce of evidence to prove it. Every bit of evidence they use is from the same anonymous sources. He knows he can't break the law.


But can you tell Hillary the same?

Fuck no!!!

Hillary breaks the law like the rest of us break wind.

But Trump is supposedly the one doing wrong....even though everything they claim he's done has been done by Democrats on a daily basis. We don't just have some secret witness that says they overheard that he did it. We have video evidence of this and we have official documents on record that proves it. So essentially we have a bunch of law-breakers trying to project their crimes onto Trump....which is a habit that communist/Democrats have done since I can remember.
Democrats have been giving foreign aide to countries like Russia and Ukraine....Obama gave a shitload of money to Iran, our worst enemy....which amounted to foreign aide....and they turned around and attacked us and our overseas interests. But all of that foreign aide isn't given away for nothing. Democrats expect something in return.......yet they're going around trying to impeach Trump for something they've done over and over and over again. Joe Biden admitted it on video.

 

[mudwhistle]

Good God....the woman called Tulsi Gabbart a Russian asset the other day

She called her a REPUBLICAN asset...which you seem to think is the same thing

Interesting

She called her a Russian asset.
You're the one who thinks they're the same.

"Last month, Hillary Clinton caused quite a furor when she said that Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard was “the favorite of the Russians” and that “[t]hey have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.”

There wasn’t really any evidence for this, but it was Hillary, so that meant it was high time for some people to go out and create it." Hillary, Obama Would Both Be Classified as Russian Assets Based on John Brennan Statement


“Hillary Clinton got a lot of attention in the past week and a half or so for saying that she was, in her view, believed Tulsi Gabbard … was a Russian asset. And her staff doubled down on that … Do you see what she was talking about there?” Margaret Brennan said, according to Fox News.

Brennan said that while he would leave it to Clinton, he thought it was feasible.

“You can say something is a Russian asset even if it is not intentionally trying to advance Russian interests, but because of what it does or what it says or whatever, it is, in fact, something that is promoting the Russian agenda,” Brennan answered, saying he thought this may have been what she meant about Gabbard being a Russian asset.​

Go find an actual QUOTE where she calls Gabbard a RUSSIAN asset.

You won't find it because she didn't do that.

She said REPUBLICANS were "grooming" Gabbard as a third party candidate

Of course the difference (between being a Republican asset and a Russian asset) is minimal these days right?

So you want to parse fucking words and ignore the obvious?

Okay....we're done talking here motherfucker.

 

[wamose]

If we were to compare the current political animosity to what's going on in Hong Kong, Republicans would represent the protestors who are the freedom loving patriots, and Democrats would exemplify the crack down totalitarians.

 

[Crepitus]

It’s time to Subpoena The Transxripts of Schiff’s Secret Kangaroo Court Hearings now that The GOP was given some rights.

Still is a scam the rules are Rigged against Due Process.

We aren't talking about the Benghazi hearings or the Clinton impeachment here.

The transcripts will be released soon.

Edited of course....which renders them useless.

You do know there were republicans in those meetings, right?

Are they just gonna let it go if the releases are edited like tRump's was?

They aren't allowed to read the transcripts ahead of their release.....so who knows what shit they're taking out....or putting in.

Wtf are you talking about?

1. You aren't dealing with dOnald tRump here. If they say "transcripts" they will be transcripts. Not edited summaries.

2. There were republicans in every one of those depositions. If the released documents are inaccurate do you think they will just sit and take it?

You guys need to learn to think, not just parrot.

 

[bodecea]

Gimme dirt on Biden, or no aid.

The very definition of corruption.

1) that was never said or even hinted.
2) Ukraine got the aid.
3) Trump has no dirt on Biden from the Ukraine.
4) Durham opened up a criminal investigation that will support Trump in the end.

1) . Where's Mick Mulvaney, then? Or did you miss that presser where he openly ADMITTED Trump's QPQ and told the reporters to "get over it".

Fox didn't broadcast that?

Then you're just another Trump mushroom thriving in the dark with daily manure thrown in to keep you alive.

What he said is that Presidents have done that all the time, and they did. Slow Joe was speaking on behalf of DumBama when he did his quid pro quo. He stated the President would not give any aid to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor that was on the case of his son's employer.

The transcript between Trump and Zelensky is out there for everybody to read. Democrats can't lie their way out of this one.

Complete word-for-word transcript?

No, the redacted transcript; the only one that could be made available to the public.

Not good enough.

 

[Olde Europe]

Wtf are you talking about?

1. You aren't dealing with dOnald tRump here. If they say "transcripts" they will be transcripts. Not edited summaries.

2. There were republicans in every one of those depositions. If the released documents are inaccurate do you think they will just sit and take it?

You guys need to learn to think, not just parrot.

He is talking about Goobers who are not members of the respective Committees, and who were allegedly "not allowed" to read the transcripts. The confused one got his talking points all messed up - they were allowed to read them, but under adult supervision. So, they vaguely felt a sting, like humiliation. Rightly so, I say.

BTW, the White House quite accurately described the released text of the phone call a "memorandum". It's a brain-dead press that doesn't honor language the way it should that called it a "transcript" at least during the initial days after the release.

 

[Crepitus]

Wtf are you talking about?

1. You aren't dealing with dOnald tRump here. If they say "transcripts" they will be transcripts. Not edited summaries.

2. There were republicans in every one of those depositions. If the released documents are inaccurate do you think they will just sit and take it?

You guys need to learn to think, not just parrot.

He is talking about Goobers who are not members of the respective Committees, and who were allegedly "not allowed" to read the transcripts. The confused one got his talking points all messed up - they were allowed to read them, but under adult supervision. So, they vaguely felt a sting, like humiliation. Rightly so, I say.

BTW, the White House quite accurately described the released text of the phone call a "memorandum". It's a brain-dead press that doesn't honor language the way it should that called it a "transcript" at least during the initial days after the release.

tRump calls it a transcript.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Total political war has been joined. On the floor of the United Sates House of Representatives on Thursday, the battle lines were drawn — and they could not be more clear or decisive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: “Every member should support allowing the American people to hear the facts for themselves. That is really what this vote is about. It is about the truth, and what is at stake in all of this is nothing less than our democracy.”

Stirring stuff, but not to be outdone, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan fired back, calling into question the origins of the Ukraine investigation that began with a whistleblower’s meeting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff.

Chiding the chairman, Jordan said, “One member of this body knows who this person is who started this whole darn, crazy process: Chairman Schiff. And what’s this resolution do? Gives him even more power to run this secret proceeding in a bunker in the basement of the Capitol.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

Reading through the resolution sounds exactly like a manifest from Soviet Russia....Schitt for brains has been given the power to approve witnesses, limit their testimony, and may or may NOT allow the president to have legal council in attendance for ALL proceedings...if the Republicans did this the ABNORMALS of the left and their slavish co conspirators in the MSM would go nuts!!!!!

Well we survived the Nixon Civil War and the Clinton Civil War- I think we will survive this one.

Not really a fair comparison. With both Nixon and Clinton, there was actual evidence of wrongdoing. This clown car here wants to impeach a President based on opinion and not fact.

What facts are missing from the transcript of the call and what has been testified about it?

Blatant attempt at bribery

Facts like Trump never once threatened to withhold anything from Ukraine based on any investigation. Facts like even if he did, he broke no laws doing it. Presidents have done this all the time in the past, and Biden is a perfect example of it.

And if Trump shot somone on 5th avenue you woul be explainig why it was OK.