Dems, don't let Repubs bamboozle you, America IS a democracy.

[Jim H - VA USA]

Are people still arguing about this?

America is not an Absolute Democracy. That would mean we vote on all the laws. Ain't nobody got time for that.
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We are supposed to be a Representative Democracy, a form of Democracy, where we elect competent representatives who are supposed to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.
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But we have pretty much turned into a dictatorship.
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[Cellblock2429]

{Caveat: those who are weaned on soundbites, one liners and snarky quips, who have subsequent short attention spans, ignore this post]

This trope has been floundering around the conservative/libertarian circles on the right for some time now, and now Trump
has joined the *RNAD regurgitators.

*Republic, Not A Democracy.

Some Republicans claim that 'proof' is in the pledge: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands..."

Uh, no...I'm sorry to inform you on the right, especially republicans, but "Republic", "Constitutional Republic", "Democracy", "Liberal Democracy", "Western Democracy", etc., these are NOT mutually exclusive terms. I know you think they are, but no, they aren't. They are general terms for basically the same principle, that a Democracy, using the broadest sense of the term, which is the most common use of the term, means a nation of liberty, where free speech, freedom of assembly, everyone of age has the vote, and other assorted virtues, prevail, as opposed to a monarchy or dictatorship or totalitarian non democratic nations.


To wit:

...[a] fundamental maxim of republican government...requires that the sense of the majority should prevail. --Alexander Hamilton, Federalist #22

When Madison/Hamilton (i.e., "Publius") was making a distinction between 'Democracy' and 'Republic', favoring a Republic, he wasn't dissing 'Democracy' in the general sense, he/they were using the term in parochial sense, he was making a distinction between a government where laws are voted on by the electorate, a direct democracy, and one that has laws enacted by a Republic consisting of representative body, each of whose members are elected by popular vote. In America, this is the House of Representatives, Congress, and The Senate, i.e., our bicameral legislature which includes the Vice President when a tie vote needs to be broken. They weren't using the term as it has been used in academia, journalism and public spheres as it has ben used for a very long time.
Now, just in case some of you on the right assert that my Fed #22 quote is out of context, but no, because the meat of the statement stands alone and the context it was written in doesn't really change that fact, so context wasn't necessary.

And what was that context? Hamilton was actually arguing that the principle of equal suffrage between states of different sizes (of populations) contradicts the principle that it is a maxim of a republican form of government that the majority should prevail. Because he was arguing in favor of that principle, the principle, as a principle, it therefore stands alone --not to mention that he states that contrary arguments are 'sophistry'. Clearly, Hamilton favors that the majority should prevail in elections. This IS democracy.

Note that, as any encyclopedia will define, the term 'Republic', is a broad term, and is merely any government that is not a monarchy, where the leaders are either voted in OR appointed. also note that all elections, yes, the many thousands of them from local municipalities on up, excluding only the Vice Pres. and President, are voted via direct democracy. Thus only the VP and the Prez are voted via the EC. (Of course, laws are enacted via the legislature and the Prez but we do have laws, known as 'ballot initiatives' enacted by direct vote in many states). So, we can rightfully state that the vast majority of elections in the United States are done via direct democracy.

There are all types of Republics; there are Constitutional Republics (AKA Democratic Republics aligned with a Constitution) , Islamic Republics, There are Socialist Republics, Calvinist Republics, and so on. But, listening to any Republican, (of late) they will assert that a 'Republic" and a "Democracy' are not the same thing. Let's be clear on this point, A Republic may not include a democracy but a democracy is just about always a Republic, and so, most of the time, these days, when we say 'Republic' we are thinking of a democracy of a certain type, which is defined by whatever charter the Republic is aligned with and usually that is a representative democracy of some kind.

America is a Constitutional [Federal] Republic, AKA "Representative Democracy: AKA "Liberal Democracy" AKA "Western Democracy", noting that Representative Democracy refers to the House of Representatives, and not so much the Electoral College. If we didn't have an EC, America would still be a representative democracy. A number of western democracies, or rather, most of them, elect their president by direct, majority vote, yet are still known as 'representative democracies' precisely because of the fact that they have, like that of the US, an elected body of representatives who propose legislation on behalf of constituents. Now, if anyone is going to claim otherwise, no, I don't buy it, because I've learned this since middle school, read it everywhere I've ever read about politics, heard it spoken on the tongues of pundits, academicians, and leaders of every type since I was a teenager interested in the subject --- we were taught, without exception, "America is a Democracy", and "Democracy is core value in America".

I mean, this stupid RNAD thing, well, it's getting out of hand, and I can clearly see what is driving it: IN FACT, this idea that 'America is not a Democracy' became popular with Republicans right about the time they started losing the popular vote. Gee, what a coincidence, it seems they need to dis democracy in order to feel about about their winning the presidency via a particular fluke in the electoral college system. And don't tell me that not winning the popular vote doesn't bother Republicans. I know it really annoys Trump which is why he lied when he said that he would have won the popular vote had not 3 million illegals voted (in the 2016 election, which was a lie). No, y'all would definitely prefer to win the popular vote. Don't tell me otherwise, I just don't believe you.

It's really gotten a lot of traction now, the RNAD myth, given that in the last few decades Republicans are not winning the popular vote, so now they're trying to poo poo democracy, and doing a lot to diminish it, as a matter of fact, and this trope allows them to feel good about doing it. Republics don't like democracy given that of late, it appears that Democracy doesn't like Republicans. Well, they are bringing it on themselves.

Well, I got bad news for Republicans, either you have a democracy or Fascism. It's one or the other and you really need to decide which side you are on. You can move towards one, and when you do, you are moving away from the other, and that, in my view, describes Trumpism, a move away from democracy towards fascism. The Lincoln Repubs recognize this and have rejected Trumpism hence the "Lincoln Project".

America is all about elections. We have local elections in every municipality in America, thousands of them. We have elections in every state for various state level positions form Governor on down. And then we have elections for the House and the Senate, and finally, The President and Vice president via the electoral college. All sorts of elections, so don't tell me, those of you on the right, and Republicans, that America is "not" a democracy because the BS meter is redlining......

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Any country that has as many elections as America has is a democracy. No, that it's a 'representative democracy' doesn't alter the statement. Remember, the term 'Democracy' has both broad and parochial usages.

The Trumpist claim that we're 'a republic, not a democracy' is even more dangerous than it sounds

Trumpist Republicans are lately in the habit of repeating this doozy of a notion that the United States of America is “a republic, not a democracy” (RNAD). Often, this comes as a response to ...

www.dailykos.com

Trumpist Republicans are lately in the habit of repeating this doozy of a notion that the United States of America is “a republic, not a democracy” (RNAD). Often, this comes as a response to statements like, “Trumpism is a threat to democracy!” While your first reaction might have been, “Huh?” or, “Are these stone-cold nincompoops out of their ever-loving minds?” the refrain remains a consistent rebuttal from the extreme right.

Responding to RNAD requires understanding what right-wing extremists mean when they say “a republic, not a democracy.” It means they don’t care about democracy. This line of argument provides an ideological justification for some of the most extreme actions being taken by members of the MAGAsphere—actions aimed at thwarting American democracy itself.

BINGO!

A democracy is often a term referring to....

1. A nation where citizens enjoy rights.
2. A nation where citizens enjoy certain freedoms, of speech, free assembly, freedom to work, be self-employed, to achieve one's aims, etc.
3. Freedom of religion, or freedom from religion
4. The right to vote once one is 18.
5. A nation with a government of elected leaders, either directly or indirectly.
6. A Republic, Federal, Constitutional, or otherwise, which is, essentially, a government of elected leaders, indirectly or directly, whose legislation is enacted by the elected representatives constituting a 'representative democracy' generally under the governance of a constitution.

Definition of republic

1a(1): a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b(1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
(2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government

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AKA 'representative democracy' AKA 'liberal democracies' AKA 'western democracies' AKA or just 'democracy'.

‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument

Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it.

www.theatlantic.com

‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument
Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it.


And it so states right on the Government's own website:

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

Democracy in the United States.

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.

Democrats, do not let Republicans bamboozle anyone on this point, America IS a democracy. Yes, there are times when it might be in doubt, but in principle, though our democracy is far from perfect, so with all of it's flaws, America is a Democracy.

/——-/ democRATs self identify our Republic as a democracy.

 

[francoHFW]

/——-/ democRATs self identify our Republic as a democracy.

a Republic is defined as a representative democracy. This is as dumb and imaginary an argument as all the rest of your GOP propaganda.

 

[Cellblock2429]

a Republic is defined as a representative democracy. This is as dumb and imaginary an argument as all the rest of your GOP propaganda.

/——/ I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Representative Democracy for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all —- said no democRAT ever.

 

[JWBooth]

The terms, 'Republic, Democracy' are not mutually exclusive terms, insofar as that the more common use of the term 'Democracy' is in the broader sense of the word, i.,e 'western democracies' which is to say, a nation of elected leaders (of which we are one) 'with the consent of the governed' as opposed to a Monarchy or Totalitarian society.

Now, regarding 'damage', no, every word in the OP has relevance to and underscores my point. Try giving it a read, that is, if you are serious about the subject. Life is a nuanced affair, and no one liner can adequately enable you to reach the truth. Reading is a good thing. Give it a shot.

 

[francoHFW]

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it's just stupid brand new hateful divisive GOP propaganda for the rubes, absolute garbage, brainwashed functional moron. A republic is defined as a representative democracy. unbelievable BS as usual from you _ignoramuses....

 

[Cellblock2429]

it's just stupid brand new hateful divisive GOP propaganda for the rubes, absolute garbage, brainwashed functional moron. A republic is defined as a representative democracy. unbelievable BS as usual from you _ignoramuses....

/----/

republic​

noun​

re·pub·lic ri-ˈpə-blik

Synonyms of republic
1
a(1)
: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b(1)
: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government - Merriam Webster

 

[task0778]

This whole argument is based on politics and nothing else. The democrats constantly push the idea that America is a democracy, and therefore any president elected without the majority of the popular vote is illegitimate. Since their party is all but assured of winning the overall popular vote, their aim is to convince everyone or at least as many as possible that the US should be a democracy and that the winner of the popular vote should win the election. They don't want people thinking that we are a constitutional republic, meaning that they believe the electoral college we have now is undemocratic in their eyes and therefore should be changed so they can almost always win. They bitched about it in 2016 and if Trump runs in 2024 they'll bitch about it all day and every day then, as though it's undemocratic if he wins without the popular vote. In actuality it is all about semantics and politics.

 

[francoHFW]

This whole argument is based on politics and nothing else. The democrats constantly push the idea that America is a democracy, and therefore any president elected without the majority of the popular vote is illegitimate. Since their party is all but assured of winning the overall popular vote, their aim is to convince everyone or at least as many as possible that the US should be a democracy and that the winner of the popular vote should win the election. They don't want people thinking that we are a constitutional republic, meaning that they believe the electoral college we have now is undemocratic in their eyes and therefore should be changed so they can almost always win. They bitched about it in 2016 and if Trump runs in 2024 they'll bitch about it all day and every day then, as though it's undemocratic if he wins without the popular vote. In actuality it is all about semantics and politics.

probably because you suppress the votes of the elderly, blacks, and the young, and electoral college is basically basically a gop scam at this point LOL... what we have nowadays is a mess,,, the GOP loves gerrymandering so much that we have a bunch of congressional districts that can't be lost so they elect really radical republicans and to a lesser extent Democrats. Ohh well, anything the GOP has to do to keep the corrupt giveaway to the rich and paralysis going, brainwashed functional morons. change the damn channel for God's sake.

 

[Lesh]

The democrats constantly push the idea that America is a democracy, and therefore any president elected without the majority of the popular vote is illegitimate

Nope. That's not what most people say. What they DO say is that it is problematic...and rightfully so. You seem to be arguing for rule by the minority.

Since their party is all but assured of winning the overall popular vote, their aim is to convince everyone or at least as many as possible that the US should be a democracy and that the winner of the popular vote should win the election.

What you're actually saying is that you understand that YOUR party is virtually assured of NOT winning the popular vote...and you're desperate to find a way to translate that into ruling without that

 

[francoHFW]

This whole argument is based on politics and nothing else. The democrats constantly push the idea that America is a democracy, and therefore any president elected without the majority of the popular vote is illegitimate. Since their party is all but assured of winning the overall popular vote, their aim is to convince everyone or at least as many as possible that the US should be a democracy and that the winner of the popular vote should win the election. They don't want people thinking that we are a constitutional republic, meaning that they believe the electoral college we have now is undemocratic in their eyes and therefore should be changed so they can almost always win. They bitched about it in 2016 and if Trump runs in 2024 they'll bitch about it all day and every day then, as though it's undemocratic if he wins without the popular vote. In actuality it is all about semantics and politics.

A lot of things have been changed. Like how senators get in Etcetera Etcetera. If we had a popular vote for the president they would have to campaign everywhere instead of five states etcetera Etcetera Etcetera and we wouldn't get such scumbag idiot GOP presidents lol

 

[munkle]

Eon Musk: "Unreadable diarrhea."

 

[BS Filter]

{Caveat: those who are weaned on soundbites, one liners and snarky quips, who have subsequent short attention spans, ignore this post]

This trope has been floundering around the conservative/libertarian circles on the right for some time now, and now Trump
has joined the *RNAD regurgitators.

*Republic, Not A Democracy.

Some Republicans claim that 'proof' is in the pledge: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands..."

Uh, no...I'm sorry to inform you on the right, especially republicans, but "Republic", "Constitutional Republic", "Democracy", "Liberal Democracy", "Western Democracy", etc., these are NOT mutually exclusive terms. I know you think they are, but no, they aren't. They are general terms for basically the same principle, that a Democracy, using the broadest sense of the term, which is the most common use of the term, means a nation of liberty, where free speech, freedom of assembly, everyone of age has the vote, and other assorted virtues, prevail, as opposed to a monarchy or dictatorship or totalitarian non democratic nations.


To wit:

...[a] fundamental maxim of republican government...requires that the sense of the majority should prevail. --Alexander Hamilton, Federalist #22

When Madison/Hamilton (i.e., "Publius") was making a distinction between 'Democracy' and 'Republic', favoring a Republic, he wasn't dissing 'Democracy' in the general sense, he/they were using the term in parochial sense, he was making a distinction between a government where laws are voted on by the electorate, a direct democracy, and one that has laws enacted by a Republic consisting of representative body, each of whose members are elected by popular vote. In America, this is the House of Representatives, Congress, and The Senate, i.e., our bicameral legislature which includes the Vice President when a tie vote needs to be broken. They weren't using the term as it has been used in academia, journalism and public spheres as it has ben used for a very long time.
Now, just in case some of you on the right assert that my Fed #22 quote is out of context, but no, because the meat of the statement stands alone and the context it was written in doesn't really change that fact, so context wasn't necessary.

And what was that context? Hamilton was actually arguing that the principle of equal suffrage between states of different sizes (of populations) contradicts the principle that it is a maxim of a republican form of government that the majority should prevail. Because he was arguing in favor of that principle, the principle, as a principle, it therefore stands alone --not to mention that he states that contrary arguments are 'sophistry'. Clearly, Hamilton favors that the majority should prevail in elections. This IS democracy.

Note that, as any encyclopedia will define, the term 'Republic', is a broad term, and is merely any government that is not a monarchy, where the leaders are either voted in OR appointed. also note that all elections, yes, the many thousands of them from local municipalities on up, excluding only the Vice Pres. and President, are voted via direct democracy. Thus only the VP and the Prez are voted via the EC. (Of course, laws are enacted via the legislature and the Prez but we do have laws, known as 'ballot initiatives' enacted by direct vote in many states). So, we can rightfully state that the vast majority of elections in the United States are done via direct democracy.

There are all types of Republics; there are Constitutional Republics (AKA Democratic Republics aligned with a Constitution) , Islamic Republics, There are Socialist Republics, Calvinist Republics, and so on. But, listening to any Republican, (of late) they will assert that a 'Republic" and a "Democracy' are not the same thing. Let's be clear on this point, A Republic may not include a democracy but a democracy is just about always a Republic, and so, most of the time, these days, when we say 'Republic' we are thinking of a democracy of a certain type, which is defined by whatever charter the Republic is aligned with and usually that is a representative democracy of some kind.

America is a Constitutional [Federal] Republic, AKA "Representative Democracy: AKA "Liberal Democracy" AKA "Western Democracy", noting that Representative Democracy refers to the House of Representatives, and not so much the Electoral College. If we didn't have an EC, America would still be a representative democracy. A number of western democracies, or rather, most of them, elect their president by direct, majority vote, yet are still known as 'representative democracies' precisely because of the fact that they have, like that of the US, an elected body of representatives who propose legislation on behalf of constituents. Now, if anyone is going to claim otherwise, no, I don't buy it, because I've learned this since middle school, read it everywhere I've ever read about politics, heard it spoken on the tongues of pundits, academicians, and leaders of every type since I was a teenager interested in the subject --- we were taught, without exception, "America is a Democracy", and "Democracy is core value in America".

I mean, this stupid RNAD thing, well, it's getting out of hand, and I can clearly see what is driving it: IN FACT, this idea that 'America is not a Democracy' became popular with Republicans right about the time they started losing the popular vote. Gee, what a coincidence, it seems they need to dis democracy in order to feel about about their winning the presidency via a particular fluke in the electoral college system. And don't tell me that not winning the popular vote doesn't bother Republicans. I know it really annoys Trump which is why he lied when he said that he would have won the popular vote had not 3 million illegals voted (in the 2016 election, which was a lie). No, y'all would definitely prefer to win the popular vote. Don't tell me otherwise, I just don't believe you.

It's really gotten a lot of traction now, the RNAD myth, given that in the last few decades Republicans are not winning the popular vote, so now they're trying to poo poo democracy, and doing a lot to diminish it, as a matter of fact, and this trope allows them to feel good about doing it. Republics don't like democracy given that of late, it appears that Democracy doesn't like Republicans. Well, they are bringing it on themselves.

Well, I got bad news for Republicans, either you have a democracy or Fascism. It's one or the other and you really need to decide which side you are on. You can move towards one, and when you do, you are moving away from the other, and that, in my view, describes Trumpism, a move away from democracy towards fascism. The Lincoln Repubs recognize this and have rejected Trumpism hence the "Lincoln Project".

America is all about elections. We have local elections in every municipality in America, thousands of them. We have elections in every state for various state level positions form Governor on down. And then we have elections for the House and the Senate, and finally, The President and Vice president via the electoral college. All sorts of elections, so don't tell me, those of you on the right, and Republicans, that America is "not" a democracy because the BS meter is redlining......

View attachment 772373

Any country that has as many elections as America has is a democracy. No, that it's a 'representative democracy' doesn't alter the statement. Remember, the term 'Democracy' has both broad and parochial usages.

The Trumpist claim that we're 'a republic, not a democracy' is even more dangerous than it sounds

Trumpist Republicans are lately in the habit of repeating this doozy of a notion that the United States of America is “a republic, not a democracy” (RNAD). Often, this comes as a response to ...

www.dailykos.com

Trumpist Republicans are lately in the habit of repeating this doozy of a notion that the United States of America is “a republic, not a democracy” (RNAD). Often, this comes as a response to statements like, “Trumpism is a threat to democracy!” While your first reaction might have been, “Huh?” or, “Are these stone-cold nincompoops out of their ever-loving minds?” the refrain remains a consistent rebuttal from the extreme right.

Responding to RNAD requires understanding what right-wing extremists mean when they say “a republic, not a democracy.” It means they don’t care about democracy. This line of argument provides an ideological justification for some of the most extreme actions being taken by members of the MAGAsphere—actions aimed at thwarting American democracy itself.

BINGO!

A democracy is often a term referring to....

1. A nation where citizens enjoy rights.
2. A nation where citizens enjoy certain freedoms, of speech, free assembly, freedom to work, be self-employed, to achieve one's aims, etc.
3. Freedom of religion, or freedom from religion
4. The right to vote once one is 18.
5. A nation with a government of elected leaders, either directly or indirectly.
6. A Republic, Federal, Constitutional, or otherwise, which is, essentially, a government of elected leaders, indirectly or directly, whose legislation is enacted by the elected representatives constituting a 'representative democracy' generally under the governance of a constitution.

Definition of republic

1a(1): a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b(1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
(2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government

View attachment 772394

AKA 'representative democracy' AKA 'liberal democracies' AKA 'western democracies' AKA or just 'democracy'.

‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument

Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it.

www.theatlantic.com

‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument
Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it.


And it so states right on the Government's own website:

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

Democracy in the United States.

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.

Democrats, do not let Republicans bamboozle anyone on this point, America IS a democracy. Yes, there are times when it might be in doubt, but in principle, though our democracy is far from perfect, so with all of it's flaws, America is a Democracy.

Why didn't these lovers of democracy give women the right to vote?

 

[BS Filter]

A lot of things have been changed. Like how senators get in Etcetera Etcetera. If we had a popular vote for the president they would have to campaign everywhere instead of five states etcetera Etcetera Etcetera and we wouldn't get such scumbag idiot GOP presidents lol

We have one national office. We are a nation of states. The founders were very smart. You're not.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We have one national office. We are a nation of states. The founders were very smart. You're not.

/——/ Well said.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Why didn't these lovers of democracy give women the right to vote?

/——/ Because they had to make compromises with a wide range of beliefs and interests. If you ever studied the founding of our nation, you’d know not everyone was on board.
The beauty of America is that we have a system to correct wrongs, and do it in a few generations while other countries take centuries.

 

[Curried Goats]

/----/

republic​

noun​

re·pub·lic ri-ˈpə-blik

Synonyms of republic
1
a(1)
: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b(1)
: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government - Merriam Webster

Hey you Bingo, if you click on your own link there where it says synonyms of Republic it will bring you to another page that lists democracy among them.

Let me know if you need the definition of a synonym, Short Bus.

 

[task0778]

Nope. That's not what most people say. What they DO say is that it is problematic...and rightfully so. You seem to be arguing for rule by the minority.

I said 'democrats', not 'most people'. I also doubt that most people do NOT believe that any president elected without the majority of the popular vote is illegitimate, despite how often and how many democrats push the idea to the contrary. And I am not arguing for rule by the majority, I am perfectly fine with the system of gov't and the electoral process as it is now. It was designed to prevent as much as possible the tyranny of the majority, and if that means a president gets elected without the majority of the popular vote, I am fine with that.

What you're actually saying is that you understand that YOUR party is virtually assured of NOT winning the popular vote...and you're desperate to find a way to translate that into ruling without that

No, that's what you'd like me to say and the way you'd like it to be. Unfortunately for you and the democrats, that ain't the way it is and I don't have to translate nothin'. The democrats own the major population centers, so it isn't surprising that if they win the future popular vote in many cases, they could lose the election. Tough shit, bub.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Hey you Bingo, if you click on your own link there where it says synonyms of Republic it will bring you to another page that lists democracy among them.

Let me know if you need the definition of a synonym, Short Bus.

/——/ And I’d you read the entire link, you’d see the quote from one of the founders. And yes, people use democracy as a synonym of a Republic, but they are different.
when asked by a passerby what sort of government the constitutional convention had formulated for the new nation, Benjamin Franklin memorably replied, "A republic, if you can keep it"

 

[task0778]

A lot of things have been changed. Like how senators get in Etcetera Etcetera. If we had a popular vote for the president they would have to campaign everywhere instead of five states etcetera Etcetera Etcetera and we wouldn't get such scumbag idiot GOP presidents lol

I think you're out of your mind. Certainly most of the campaigning is done in the swing states, not much point in going to states that are pretty much always going to go one or the other. BUT - if we had a popular vote for the presidency you'd never see any campaigning outside of the big population centers. And BTW now we have a scumbag idiot democrat president who hardly ever campaigned at all.