Dems...why should your health and care be my concern?

[rightwinger]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

 

[BluesLegend]

For the vast majority of people ACA is neither affordable or effective. Between the sky high deductibles and premiums the so called insurance doesn't pay jack for most people. Those individuals pay for their care out of pocket for the whole year before the insurance pays a dime.

You have to start with that stark reality when discussing the merits of ACA and not cherry pick the small minority with serious pre-existing conditions and serious health issues. Even they must first the premiums and sky high deductibles before the insurance kicks in.

Not to mention if you have benefits your prices go up. Mine went up by 60%.

The ONLY people who like the ACA are the people the rest of us are paying for.

My employer provided health insurance is a fraction of the cost of ACA, and my annual deductible is a 1/10th that of ACA. So the ACA government run health insurance really blows in comparison. I'm supposed to give that up, pay umpteen times the cost for shitty government health insurance? No thank you.

 

[BS Filter]

Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property

No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.

that might be because the constitution requires a military and forbids social programs,,,

The constitution intended for there to be no standing military and instead rely on state militias when attacked.

{...
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
...}

Promoting general welfare could include social programs like health care.

promoting isnt [providing at the loss of another person,,,

thats called tyranny by theft,,,

Providing universal health care you are calling "tyranny by theft"?
How come the whole rest of the world does it?

one thing I think you and many others are missing is the constitutions doesnt allow this at a federal level,,, the states on the other hand are more than welcome to do it themselves,,,

You keep saying that but can’t point out a single SCOTUS decision saying healthcare can’t be provided at the Federal Level

and yet you cant quote a single section of the constitution that allows for it,,,

SCOTUS gives opinions that can change later which might explain the outrage from leftists over the current nomination,,,

Yes, that's why the left endorses the lie of "settled law". There is no such thing.

Show me

Easy enough. You claim Government Healthcare is Unconstitutional yet it has been in place for 75 years.

You seem to love the courts when they support gun rights but deny their authority when it comes to public healthcare

Unbelievable. Government provided healthcare isn't a Constitutional right. Gun ownership is.

 

[rightwinger]

I've worked hard in my life for the things I have. But, for whatever reason, there are those deadbeats in this country who believe they should be able to not work hard and still enjoy things similar to what I enjoy, be it housing, food, education, etc.

Sick people are not deadbeats. They have received a bad deal in life and suffer because of it.
Many have worked hard their whole life only to come down with a crippling disease.

To you, they are deadbeat losers

So why don't you help them then? Charity is not an act which can be performed with someone else's money

Wrong again Skippy

It is not someone else’s money. It is the money of We the People who want Obamacare

No, my money is not "we the people"'s money. It's my money.

Keep your greedy, filthy hands to yourself

You need to pull out a copy of the Constitution.
We the People established this more perfect Union

A Union Abe Lincoln described as .......Of the People, By the People and FOR THE PEOPLE

You think single payer is allowed in the Constitution? Wow, you really know nothing about your own country at all.

And nowhere does the Constitution say that what is mine is yours

Let’s see....

VA health insurance is allowed by the Constitution
Medicare is allowed
Medicaid is allowed
Obamacare survived two challenges

The Constitution authorizes Congress to raise revenue....
So much for “.Other people’s money”

Once again RW doesn't grasp the difference between a benefit for performing a job and welfare. Of course you don't.

VA health insurance is allowed by the Constitution (it is compensation for a job)
Medicare is NOT allowed
Medicaid is NOT allowed
Obamacare is NOT allowed

Wrong again Skippy
They have all been allowed

Assholes such as yourself may have challenged them in the Courts.....but you lost

 

[BS Filter]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Your thinking isn't clear about Constitutional rights.

 

[dudmuck]

I've worked hard in my life for the things I have. But, for whatever reason, there are those deadbeats in this country who believe they should be able to not work hard and still enjoy things similar to what I enjoy, be it housing, food, education, etc.

Sick people are not deadbeats. They have received a bad deal in life and suffer because of it.
Many have worked hard their whole life only to come down with a crippling disease.

To you, they are deadbeat losers

So why don't you help them then? Charity is not an act which can be performed with someone else's money

Wrong again Skippy

It is not someone else’s money. It is the money of We the People who want Obamacare

No, my money is not "we the people"'s money. It's my money.

Keep your greedy, filthy hands to yourself

You need to pull out a copy of the Constitution.
We the People established this more perfect Union

A Union Abe Lincoln described as .......Of the People, By the People and FOR THE PEOPLE

You think single payer is allowed in the Constitution? Wow, you really know nothing about your own country at all.

And nowhere does the Constitution say that what is mine is yours

Medicare as it exists today is that.

Of course it is, there is no Constitutional basis for Medicare, it is flagrantly Unconstitutional

dude, where did these idiots come from? hly shit.

It came from Helvering v. Davis

see here

If Obamacare Is Unconstitutional, Why Aren’t Medicare & Medicaid? | National Review

A federal judge in Virginia has ruled that the individual mandate in Obamacare is unconstitutional. The “Minimum Essential Coverage Provision” has no basis in the powers delegated to Congress by th…

www.nationalreview.com

 

[kaz]

I've worked hard in my life for the things I have. But, for whatever reason, there are those deadbeats in this country who believe they should be able to not work hard and still enjoy things similar to what I enjoy, be it housing, food, education, etc.

Sick people are not deadbeats. They have received a bad deal in life and suffer because of it.
Many have worked hard their whole life only to come down with a crippling disease.

To you, they are deadbeat losers

So why don't you help them then? Charity is not an act which can be performed with someone else's money

Wrong again Skippy

It is not someone else’s money. It is the money of We the People who want Obamacare

No, my money is not "we the people"'s money. It's my money.

Keep your greedy, filthy hands to yourself

You need to pull out a copy of the Constitution.
We the People established this more perfect Union

A Union Abe Lincoln described as .......Of the People, By the People and FOR THE PEOPLE

You think single payer is allowed in the Constitution? Wow, you really know nothing about your own country at all.

And nowhere does the Constitution say that what is mine is yours

Let’s see....

VA health insurance is allowed by the Constitution
Medicare is allowed
Medicaid is allowed
Obamacare survived two challenges

The Constitution authorizes Congress to raise revenue....
So much for “.Other people’s money”

Once again RW doesn't grasp the difference between a benefit for performing a job and welfare. Of course you don't.

VA health insurance is allowed by the Constitution (it is compensation for a job)
Medicare is NOT allowed
Medicaid is NOT allowed
Obamacare is NOT allowed

Wrong again Skippy
They have all been allowed

Assholes such as yourself may have challenged them in the Courts.....but you lost

I said it's not allowed under the Constitution. I didn't say that the courts follow the Constitution. Quite the reverse. Our government is now illegitimate because it does not follow the Constitution and should be overthrown

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Yep. If you're sick because you don't take care of yourself you should have to pay more. Sorry.

 

[kaz]

I've worked hard in my life for the things I have. But, for whatever reason, there are those deadbeats in this country who believe they should be able to not work hard and still enjoy things similar to what I enjoy, be it housing, food, education, etc.

Sick people are not deadbeats. They have received a bad deal in life and suffer because of it.
Many have worked hard their whole life only to come down with a crippling disease.

To you, they are deadbeat losers

So why don't you help them then? Charity is not an act which can be performed with someone else's money

Wrong again Skippy

It is not someone else’s money. It is the money of We the People who want Obamacare

No, my money is not "we the people"'s money. It's my money.

Keep your greedy, filthy hands to yourself

You need to pull out a copy of the Constitution.
We the People established this more perfect Union

A Union Abe Lincoln described as .......Of the People, By the People and FOR THE PEOPLE

You think single payer is allowed in the Constitution? Wow, you really know nothing about your own country at all.

And nowhere does the Constitution say that what is mine is yours

Medicare as it exists today is that.

Of course it is, there is no Constitutional basis for Medicare, it is flagrantly Unconstitutional

dude, where did these idiots come from? hly shit.

It came from Helvering v. Davis

see here

If Obamacare Is Unconstitutional, Why Aren’t Medicare & Medicaid? | National Review

A federal judge in Virginia has ruled that the individual mandate in Obamacare is unconstitutional. The “Minimum Essential Coverage Provision” has no basis in the powers delegated to Congress by th…

www.nationalreview.com

All three (Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid) are clearly Unconstitutional. They all violate the 10th Amendment

 

[kaz]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Yep. If you're sick because you don't take care of yourself you should have to pay more. Sorry.

Bu-bu-but RW doesn't want to pay his bills, he wants a new car and a bigger TV ...

 

[LiberalsLIE]

I don’t need a novel posted....something short and simple works just fine....So you want your neighbor to pay for your child’s education, subsidize your income, and your rent etc and you want your neighbor to help cover your healthcare....Why/how does that seem like a reasonable request while you’re telling your neighbor you want more desperate people here from Mexico as well? Please explain this to us self sufficient folks that can’t wrap our heads around it.
If you can make sense of this I and others may be inclined to vote Democrat.
Thanks in advance.

Democrats are the party of anal sex and murdering babies. They don't give a shit about healthcare except for using it as a means to control your life, because they are socialist fascist pigs

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Yep. If you're sick because you don't take care of yourself you should have to pay more. Sorry.

Bu-bu-but RW doesn't want to pay his bills, he wants a new car and a bigger TV ...

Look if I go to the gym, eat healthy and don't need medical help as frequently as some drunk smoker then I should pay less. Sorry. In terms of life insurance, sick people pay more. Why not when it comes to health insurance?

 

[kaz]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Yep. If you're sick because you don't take care of yourself you should have to pay more. Sorry.

Bu-bu-but RW doesn't want to pay his bills, he wants a new car and a bigger TV ...

Look if I go to the gym, eat healthy and don't need medical help as frequently as some drunk smoker then I should pay less. Sorry. In terms of life insurance, sick people pay more. Why not when it comes to health insurance?

You seem to be confused. Why did you post that to me?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Yep. If you're sick because you don't take care of yourself you should have to pay more. Sorry.

Bu-bu-but RW doesn't want to pay his bills, he wants a new car and a bigger TV ...

Look if I go to the gym, eat healthy and don't need medical help as frequently as some drunk smoker then I should pay less. Sorry. In terms of life insurance, sick people pay more. Why not when it comes to health insurance?

You seem to be confused. Why did you post that to me?

No no...I am bitching to you because you're a logical person. RW is stupid.

 

[cnm]

See, his salary pays for the insurance.

So her health care coverage is dependent on someone else. Doesn't seem very sassy. Nor secure.

 

[rightwinger]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Your thinking isn't clear about Constitutional rights.

Afraid it is

The courts agree with me, not your distorted view

You lose

 

[cnm]

I said it's not allowed under the Constitution. I didn't say that the courts follow the Constitution. Quite the reverse.

No. Legislation is deemed constitutional until it is ruled unconstitutional.

edited

 

[cnm]

Anyway, none of this is any skin off my nose, I'm just enthralled/fascinated/horrified by the barbarous spectacle that is American 'civilisation'.

 

[rightwinger]

Sorry. In terms of life insurance, sick people pay more. Why not when it comes to health insurance?

Because we don’t want to punish people for being sick

Kid gets cancer
You want to penalize him for the rest of his life?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?

Our poor already qualify for Medicaid, they are taken care of.

It is the guy struggling on $20-$30,000 a year that can’t afford healthcare. Families with a child suffering from cancer who get denied because of Pre-existing conditions.

Those are the people Obamacare helped.
Those are the people Trump wants to kick off insurance

How much does that family have to pay?

Now or before Obamacare?

Now

Obamacare gives subsidies to low income families so they can afford insurance. It also forces insurance companies to charge the same to those with pre-existing conditions the same as healthy patients and to accept new patients regardless of their health history.

Trump wants to take it away.......In the middle of a COVID Pandemic

But the rest of us have to pay more to subsidize this. Correct?

Not necessarily.
Those who want to risk not having insurance have to obtain it expanding the insurance pool.

Not everyone benefits equally from insurance. Some pay in and get nothing in return, some get much more than they pay in.
That is the nature of insurance

I get it. I think our healthcare should be like our auto insurance.

You want to punish those who are sick?

Your thinking isn't clear about Constitutional rights.

Afraid it is

The courts agree with me, not your distorted view

You lose

How so?