Did The Great Flood Really Happen?

[LittleNipper]

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

So if we start from the belief that the first eleven chapters of the Torah are an allegorical account of world history before the great migration from Mesopotamia - which was an actual historical event - then the first eleven chapters of the Torah takes on new meaning. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. Interspersed in these allegorical accounts of history are wisdoms that they deemed important enough to pass down and remember. Such as man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong. Most people don't even realize this wisdom is in the Torah because they read it critically instead of searching for the wisdom that ancient man knew and found important enough to include in his account of world history.

We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. We shouldn't view these accounts using the context of the modern world. Unfortunately, we are so far removed from these events that we have lost all original meaning. If you were to ask almost any Jew what the Tower of Babel was about he would have no clue that it was the allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization. That is not intended to be a criticism. It is intended to be an illustration of just how difficult a task it is to discover the original meaning from ancient accounts from 6,000 years ago. We read these texts like they were written yesterday looking for ways to discredit them and make ourselves feel superior rather than seeking the original meaning and wisdom. Shame on us.

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Moses, Sargon and Sinhue were all found by pharaoh's daughter floating in a basket on the Nile. The story of Sinuhe an Egyptian physician is older than Moses..

And your proof of this is based on what authority?

 

[XponentialChaos]

I'm a Christian.

Just curious here. What would Jesus say about people refusing to befriend black people?

 

[surada]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

 

[surada]

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

So if we start from the belief that the first eleven chapters of the Torah are an allegorical account of world history before the great migration from Mesopotamia - which was an actual historical event - then the first eleven chapters of the Torah takes on new meaning. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. Interspersed in these allegorical accounts of history are wisdoms that they deemed important enough to pass down and remember. Such as man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong. Most people don't even realize this wisdom is in the Torah because they read it critically instead of searching for the wisdom that ancient man knew and found important enough to include in his account of world history.

We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. We shouldn't view these accounts using the context of the modern world. Unfortunately, we are so far removed from these events that we have lost all original meaning. If you were to ask almost any Jew what the Tower of Babel was about he would have no clue that it was the allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization. That is not intended to be a criticism. It is intended to be an illustration of just how difficult a task it is to discover the original meaning from ancient accounts from 6,000 years ago. We read these texts like they were written yesterday looking for ways to discredit them and make ourselves feel superior rather than seeking the original meaning and wisdom. Shame on us.

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Moses, Sargon and Sinhue were all found by pharaoh's daughter floating in a basket on the Nile. The story of Sinuhe an Egyptian physician is older than Moses..

And your proof of this is based on what authority?

You mean Sargon and Sinuhe?

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The Annals of Sargon: Evidence of Bible Error—or Insight?

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Mar 23, 2021 · Today, however, Sargon ii is known as one of the most significant kings in Assyrian history, thanks to the deciphering of cuneiform in the late 19th century and the excavation of his chief city, Dur-Sharrukin. The archaeological discovery of Sargon ii was a remarkable testament to the accuracy of a single standalone biblical verse.

 

[surada]

The Story of Sinuhe is an extant papyrus that dates from 1900 BC that names Edomite chief Jeush of Gen 36:15-18 and echoes both contemporary Joseph and then later, Moses. The date of the story (1900 BC) is exactly when Joseph was in Egypt (1899 BC) and shorty after Esau moved to Edom in 1926 BC.
The Story of Sinuhe confirms Gen 36:15-18 in 1900 BC
www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-edomites-story-of-sinuhe-1900bc.htm
www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-edomites-story-of-sinuhe-1900bc.htm

 

[ding]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

 

[ding]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

^dunning effect

 

[Taz]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Ya, you have to move the goalposts BEFORE you start reading. Otherwise you might go to goalpost hell.

 

[ding]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Ya, you have to move the goalposts BEFORE you start reading. Otherwise you might go to goalpost hell.

Dude, you own a goal post moving company, Mr.-You-Can't-See-the-Big-Bang.

 

[Taz]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Ya, you have to move the goalposts BEFORE you start reading. Otherwise you might go to goalpost hell.

Dude, you own a goal post moving company, Mr.-You-Can't-See-the-Big-Bang.

Link me to someone who can show empirical proof of the first 5 seconds, even though I know you won't, you'll put something irrelevant.

 

[ding]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Ya, you have to move the goalposts BEFORE you start reading. Otherwise you might go to goalpost hell.

Dude, you own a goal post moving company, Mr.-You-Can't-See-the-Big-Bang.

Link me to someone who can show empirical proof of the first 5 seconds, even though I know you won't, you'll put something irrelevant.

Dude, you read Genesis like an evangelical.

 

[Taz]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Ya, you have to move the goalposts BEFORE you start reading. Otherwise you might go to goalpost hell.

Dude, you own a goal post moving company, Mr.-You-Can't-See-the-Big-Bang.

Link me to someone who can show empirical proof of the first 5 seconds, even though I know you won't, you'll put something irrelevant.

Dude, you read Genesis like an evangelical.

See? You say we can see the BB, but offer up no empirical proof, as usual. And then deflect. And laugh at yourself.

 

[Taz]

This isnt speaking about the Great Flood of Noah's day, but it proves there is enough water locked up in the earth's mantle that the land masses can be submerged, AND WERE

Earth was a water world

Hey it's on youtube, so it MUST be the real deal.

 

[ding]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Ya, you have to move the goalposts BEFORE you start reading. Otherwise you might go to goalpost hell.

Dude, you own a goal post moving company, Mr.-You-Can't-See-the-Big-Bang.

Link me to someone who can show empirical proof of the first 5 seconds, even though I know you won't, you'll put something irrelevant.

Dude, you read Genesis like an evangelical.

See? You say we can see the BB, but offer up no empirical proof, as usual. And then deflect. And laugh at yourself.

You mean besides CMB and redshift?

Thank you for arguing against science, Taz, like an evangelical would.

 

[Taz]

You mean besides CMB and redshift?

Thank you for arguing against science, Taz, like an evangelical would.

Those don't prove what the first few seconds were, you know it, I know it. And it's kinda sad that you keep clinging to nothing.

 

[surada]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Fine.. Stop trying to teach creation science as science.

 

[ding]

You mean besides CMB and redshift?

Thank you for arguing against science, Taz, like an evangelical would.

Those don't prove what the first few seconds were, you know it, I know it. And it's kinda sad that you keep clinging to nothing.

That sounds like the argument James Bond makes, Taz.

I know it freaks out you evangelical types that the universe began `~14 billion years ago by being created from nothing but there it is. That's what the science says.

 

[ding]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Fine.. Stop trying to teach creation science as science.

How am I teaching creation science?

Inflation Theory, the First Law of Thermodynamics and quantum mechanics tells us that it is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

 

[ding]

The stories weren't written down until almost 900 years after the death of Moses.

Which makes sense, in an ancient world where nearly everyone was an illiterate, superstitious, terrified peasant.

The Sumerians had a written language long before Adam and Eve were created.

You should probably stop reading the first eleven chapters of Genesis literally.

Fine.. Stop trying to teach creation science as science.

I've probably forgotten more science than you ever knew.

 

[TNHarley]

The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language

That isnt true and i have explained this to you several times.
The very person that made that claim, said not to believe it. She was wrong. But you cling to it. Why?