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DNC lawyers tell Bernie Sanders supporters that they don't owe anyone a fair process

Clementine

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DNC lawyers argue that they don’t owe anyone a fair process and that they follow whatever rules they decide on. Fuck the will of the will of the people. The party that likes to hold themselves out as the party of fairness is saying that they'll do as they please during primaries and the courts are wrong to allow Bernie supporters to complain about the way he was treated. It's clear that the left doesn't want fairness, especially when it comes to elections.

"According to The Washington Examiner:

The Democratic National Committee is currently defending itself in court against a lawsuit brought by Bernie Sanders supporters over the Democratic presidential primary process. And the proceedings, including an April 25 hearing in which the party argued the case should be dismissed, are already becoming quite amusing.

As Michael Sainato puts it in the Observer, “lawyers representing the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz double[d] down on arguments confirming the disdain the Democratic establishment has toward Bernie Sanders supporters and any entity challenging the party’s status quo.”

This lawsuit’s merits are dubious, it should be noted from the outset. The courts would set an unfortunate precedent if they started dictating how the political parties are governed and how they choose their candidates — it veers dangerously close to the political question doctrine.

This is a bit like that. In this case, DNC lawyers argue that they don’t owe anyone a fair process, and that the rules in their charter are basically not binding in court. In fact, if they wanted, DNC attorney Bruce Spiva argued, they could choose their nominee in a smoke-filled back room and it still wouldn’t be legally actionable. The transcription of the April 25 hearing quotes Spiva as follows:

f you had a charity where somebody said, Hey, I’m gonna take this money and use it for a specific purpose, X, and they pocketed it and stole the money, of course that’s different. But here, where you have a party that’s saying, We’re gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we’re gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have — and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right, and it would drag the Court well into party politics, internal party politics to answer those questions.”

DNC in hot water over new lawsuit, offers up OUTRAGEOUSLY lame response
 
DNC lawyers argue that they don’t owe anyone a fair process and that they follow whatever rules they decide on.
??? There's nothing to argue. There are only decisions to make and action plans to execute as the DNC (or RNC) sees fit (within the bounds of the law -- the DNC/RNC can alter their own rules and procedures at will). The DNC, like the RNC, is a private organization, not a government entity, that it's leadership can run as capriciously as it cares to. Membership in the DNC, like the RNC, is voluntary. Individuals who are sufficiently dismayed with either organization's approach to handling its affairs are free to start their own party and, having done so, run it as they see fit.
 
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This battle is barely smoldering, pretty soon there's going to be the mother of all cage matches in the Democratic party for control. The Bernie faction, the Clintons, the Obama's, what's left of the moderates. Fur will fly! :laugh:
 
DNC lawyers argue that they don’t owe anyone a fair process and that they follow whatever rules they decide on. Fuck the will of the will of the people. The party that likes to hold themselves out as the party of fairness is saying that they'll do as they please during primaries and the courts are wrong to allow Bernie supporters to complain about the way he was treated. It's clear that the left doesn't want fairness, especially when it comes to elections.

How is this news exactly?

This is how political parties work. Their loyalty is to themselves, not any "will of the people".

In another year there was a boisterous candidate from New York, derided by his critics as an egomaniac, who swept through the primaries and came sauntering into the party's convention with a dominating primary lead. But the party snubbed him despite those primary wins and nominated the establishment guy from Ohio. Because it's a political party, not the government, and they'll do what they choose to do. Primaries are bread and circus.

It's their party and they'll nominate who they want to. Nominate who they want to. Nominate who they want to.
Apologies to Lesley Gore.

Oh the year above was 1912 and the bellicose candidate from New York was Teddy Roosevelt.
 
This battle is barely smoldering, pretty soon there's going to be the mother of all cage matches in the Democratic party for control. The Bernie faction, the Clintons, the Obama's, what's left of the moderates. Fur will fly! :laugh:

Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party.
 
So there I was reading the essay to which the OP linked and with each sentence I thought, "This is absurd." Moreover, I wondered what on Earth makes Sanders' supporters think they even have standing such that the suit even gets heard and argued in courtroom. No sooner had I thought that and finished reading the first paragraph, I came upon this, "This lawsuit’s merits are dubious, it should be noted from the outset. " I stopped reading.
 
This battle is barely smoldering, pretty soon there's going to be the mother of all cage matches in the Democratic party for control. The Bernie faction, the Clintons, the Obama's, what's left of the moderates. Fur will fly! :laugh:

Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party.

Bernie took over the Democratic party, you are just in denial.
 
Bernie has never been a member of the Democrat party. The DNC was stupid to let him into their primary.
 
How is this news exactly?
It is only in the most base sense of the term. If one didn't before know Sanders' supporters were bringing suit, well, now one does know. Thus, it was new information, and, well, that makes it news. Perhaps Hasbro will craft a question about it in an edition of "Trivial Pursuit." If so, knowing of the suit may come in handy someday for someone.
 
Bernie has never been a member of the Democrat party. The DNC was stupid to let him into their primary.
They didn't really have a choice. If he declares himself (registers as) a Democrat, he is, even if his doing so is brief or rushed.
 
Bernie has never been a member of the Democrat party. The DNC was stupid to let him into their primary.
They didn't really have a choice. If he declares himself (registers as) a Democrat, he is, even if his doing so is brief or rushed.
Anyone can declare themselves a Democrat and run as a Democrat. That doesn't mean they have the backing of the DNC.
 
Bernie has never been a member of the Democrat party. The DNC was stupid to let him into their primary.
They didn't really have a choice. If he declares himself (registers as) a Democrat, he is, even if his doing so is brief or rushed.
Anyone can declare themselves a Democrat and run as a Democrat. That doesn't mean they have the backing of the DNC.
Right....
Yes, it is right. Instead of being a smart ass, maybe look it up.
 
Bernie has never been a member of the Democrat party. The DNC was stupid to let him into their primary.
They didn't really have a choice. If he declares himself (registers as) a Democrat, he is, even if his doing so is brief or rushed.
Anyone can declare themselves a Democrat and run as a Democrat. That doesn't mean they have the backing of the DNC.
Right....
Yes, it is right. Instead of being a smart ass, maybe look it up.
I already was aware of the fact you noted, mainly because it's tangentially related to the point I made. What it has to do with the fact that former/would-be Sanders supporters are suing the DNC is what I'm trying to discern.

Perhaps you didn't notice that I earlier wrote this?

Individuals who are sufficiently dismayed with either organization's approach to handling its affairs are free to start their own party and, having done so, run it as they see fit.
 
DNC lawyers argue that they don’t owe anyone a fair process and that they follow whatever rules they decide on. Fuck the will of the will of the people. The party that likes to hold themselves out as the party of fairness is saying that they'll do as they please during primaries and the courts are wrong to allow Bernie supporters to complain about the way he was treated. It's clear that the left doesn't want fairness, especially when it comes to elections.

How is this news exactly?

This is how political parties work. Their loyalty is to themselves, not any "will of the people".

In another year there was a boisterous candidate from New York, derided by his critics as an egomaniac, who swept through the primaries and came sauntering into the party's convention with a dominating primary lead. But the party snubbed him despite those primary wins and nominated the establishment guy from Ohio. Because it's a political party, not the government, and they'll do what they choose to do. Primaries are bread and circus.

It's their party and they'll nominate who they want to. Nominate who they want to. Nominate who they want to.
Apologies to Lesley Gore.

Oh the year above was 1912 and the bellicose candidate from New York was Teddy Roosevelt.


That should be made clear in their fund raising. Not pretend there will be fair elections.

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DNC lawyers argue that they don’t owe anyone a fair process and that they follow whatever rules they decide on.
Of course. It's not a taxpayer-funded organization. The RNC is the same way. Example:

In August 2015, shortly after Trump announced, Reince Priebus was asked why he wasn't blocking him and he said "I can't control who runs as a Republican".

Months ago, when Republicans were thinking about running for the hills, after the pussy grabbing, Reince said that maybe the RNC would prevent some of these from running for president as Republicans.

You have to see these Parties for what they are: clubs.
 
DNC lawyers argue that they don’t owe anyone a fair process and that they follow whatever rules they decide on.
??? There's nothing to argue. There are only decisions to make and action plans to execute as the DNC (or RNC) sees fit (within the bounds of the law -- the DNC/RNC can alter their own rules and procedures at will). The DNC, like the RNC, is a private organization, not a government entity, that it's leadership can run as capriciously as it cares to. Membership in the DNC, like the RNC, is voluntary. Individuals who are sufficiently dismayed with either organization's approach to handling its affairs are free to start their own party and, having done so, run it as they see fit.
Thank you.
 
Bernie has never been a member of the Democrat party. The DNC was stupid to let him into their primary.
They didn't really have a choice. If he declares himself (registers as) a Democrat, he is, even if his doing so is brief or rushed.
Anyone can declare themselves a Democrat and run as a Democrat. That doesn't mean they have the backing of the DNC.

Actually you're both right. Sanders wasn't a Democrat until 2015 when he registered as one solely in order to make the run. When he didn't get the nomination he quit it and went back to No Party, declaring he was elected as an Independent and that's how he would serve.

Had he been nominated and elected, presumably he would have served that office as a Democrat.
 
Bernie has never been a member of the Democrat party. The DNC was stupid to let him into their primary.
They didn't really have a choice. If he declares himself (registers as) a Democrat, he is, even if his doing so is brief or rushed.
Anyone can declare themselves a Democrat and run as a Democrat. That doesn't mean they have the backing of the DNC.

Actually you're both right. Sanders wasn't a Democrat until 2015 when he registered as one solely in order to make the run. When he didn't get the nomination he quit it and went back to No Party, declaring he was elected as an Independent and that's how he would serve.

Had he been nominated and elected, presumably he would have served that office as a Democrat.
In name only.
 

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