Do conservatives not understand how important it is to protect pre-existing conditions?

[Harpy Eagle]

FACTS so easy to get with the INTERNET!!!
How many children under age 18 have diabetes?
132,000 children and adolescents younger than age 18 years (0.18% of the total U.S. population younger than age 18 years).
http://www.diabetes.org/assets/pdfs/basics/cdc-statistics-report-2017.pdf

Ok, so what should happen to these 132,000 children when they reach adulthood and cannot get insurance?

They will die without insulin and insulin is a very expensive liquid

Sniffle sniffle...tears... woe is us?
Why wouldn't they get health insurance through their employer????? YOU mean these 132,000 children won't be working? Well you answered the question!
Remember nearly 85% of Americans have some insurance with out pre-existing conditions. That means most of these "kids" if they work will get coverage either through the employer, the state Medicaid/ or other state funds for those that can't work!

Why would an employer plan pay for a preexisting condition if they do not have to?

 

[Billy000]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

Lol you can complain about Obama’s promises on ACA all you want.

Another question for the Trump zealots.

Is this really the platform you want the GOP folks to be running on come November?

FACTS dummy read the FACTS!!!
AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

Lol only cons would trust rightwing bullshit like the Washingron Examiner.

What too dense to understand is that the people who would lose pre existing conditions would be anyone on health insurance - not just ObamaCare. Anyone on a private plan - regardless of how they got the plan - are at risk of losing those protections. Many diseases or ailments like cancer and mental health disorders are considered pre existing conditions by insurance companies.

Here is an actual non partisan analysis:

“In particular, this decision could lead to insurers denying coverage to the 130 million Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is harmful to the health of these Americans and is very short-sighted considering the nation is in the midst of an opioid epidemic and 30% rise in suicide rates. We call upon the Administration to reverse this decision and defend the rights of our patients," Stewart said.

them uninsurable if they applied for individual market coverage under pre-ACA underwriting practices that existed in nearly all states. While a large share of this group has coverage through an employer or public coverage where they do not face medical underwriting, these estimates quantify how many people could be ineligible for individual market insurance under pre-ACA practices if they were to ever lose this coverage. This is a conservative estimate as these surveys do not include sufficient detail on several conditions that would have been declinable before the ACA (such as HIV/AIDS, or hepatitis C). Additionally, millions more have other conditions that could be either declinable by some insurers based on their pre-ACA underwriting guidelines or grounds for higher premiums, exclusions, or limitations under pre-ACA underwriting practices. In a separate Kaiser Family Foundation poll, most people (53%) report that they or someone in their household has a pre-existing condition.

A larger share of nonelderly women (30%) than men (24%) have declinable preexisting conditions. We estimate that 22.8 million nonelderly men have a preexisting condition that would have left them uninsurable in the individual market pre-ACA, compared to 29.4 million women. Pregnancy explains part, but not all of the difference.

Pre-existing Conditions and Medical Underwriting in the Individual Insurance Market Prior to the ACA

We estimate that 22.8 million nonelderly men have a preexisting condition that would have left them uninsurable in the individual market pre-ACA, compared to 29.4 million women.
Well that flies in the face of these statistics...

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

During this period, applications for coverage at the four largest insurers increased by only 16 percent during the same period. Insurers denied coverage to (see table below):

• 172,400 people in 2007
• 221,400 people in 2008
• 257,100 people in 2009

Before the ACA, 1 in 7 people were denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Today: none. - HealthNetwork Blog

Remember nearly 85% of Americans have group,Medicaid,Medicare or other public insurance where pre-existing is not an issue!

Now further proof?

This was suppose to be the answer in ACA: Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals
AGAIN a far far cry from the supposedly 52.2 million estimated...

Why is it so hard to deal with the FACTS? Hyperbole. Subjective. Guesses???

See this is pretty basic to understand. You are referring to ACA coverage participants only. Without these protections, ANYONE who is privately insured, regardless of how they got it, are at risk of losing coverage of current conditions and any future conditions that involve being pre existing.

 

[healthmyths]

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2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

So, what happens to those children when the become adults and this charity no longer helps them?

Do you have any clue how expensive of a disease Type-1 is to control and the massive health issue that can arise if it is not controlled?

 

[healthmyths]

FACTS so easy to get with the INTERNET!!!
How many children under age 18 have diabetes?
132,000 children and adolescents younger than age 18 years (0.18% of the total U.S. population younger than age 18 years).
http://www.diabetes.org/assets/pdfs/basics/cdc-statistics-report-2017.pdf

Ok, so what should happen to these 132,000 children when they reach adulthood and cannot get insurance?

They will die without insulin and insulin is a very expensive liquid

Sniffle sniffle...tears... woe is us?
Why wouldn't they get health insurance through their employer????? YOU mean these 132,000 children won't be working? Well you answered the question!
Remember nearly 85% of Americans have some insurance with out pre-existing conditions. That means most of these "kids" if they work will get coverage either through the employer, the state Medicaid/ or other state funds for those that can't work!

Why would an employer plan pay for a preexisting condition if they do not have to?

You make NO SENSE with that statement.
It is called "group" insurance! Group insurance takes the entire employees and lumps together bad and good.
"pre-existing conditions" only existed in individual health plans BEFORE ACA... which according to the below web site less then 7% were non-group or individual.
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population

 

[PredFan]

Insurance is for the unexpected...You don't wreck your car, then go to your insurance agent demanding collision coverage for your "pre-existing condition"... Either socialists won't understand this, or are just plain stupid.

That's the GIBSMEDAT! culture for you.

Oddball!!!

Where you been bro??

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

What about the 6.1 million kids under the age of 18 that have asthma and will be denied insurance? Is there a charity for them as well?

 

[healthmyths]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

So, what happens to those children when the become adults and this charity no longer helps them?

Do you have any clue how expensive of a disease Type-1 is to control and the massive health issue that can arise if it is not controlled?

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

 

[Flash]

[QU


What about the 6.1 million kids under the age of 18 that have asthma and will be denied insurance? Is there a charity for them as well?

Their parents need to buy the medication.

It is wrong for the government to make somebody else pay for it.

 

[healthmyths]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

What about the 6.1 million kids under the age of 18 that have asthma and will be denied insurance? Is there a charity for them as well?

OK... Let's look at the realities AGAIN...
1) Before the Affordable Care Act, Americans could be denied health insurance if they had one of several of common health conditions like diabetes, asthma and even acne.
2) AGAIN how many of the 6.1 million kids were on their parents group health insurance that didn't have any pre-existing conditions?
3) Using the 49% figure of health insurance for groups.. that would then men less then 3 million who under 18 may not have been covered...EXCEPT Medicaid may cover them.
4) Again how many then of the remaining 3 million WILL not be entering the labor force? Pre-Trump might have been a problem. But TODAY with MORE JOB openings
than people to fill? And you don't think employers will be offering benefits to get those scarce employees?
5) Network for Good :: Asthma
Oh and by the way the above site says "These numbers continue to rise, especially in children: nearly five million children in the U.S. suffer from asthma," not 6.1 million!
Top Asthma Nonprofits and Charities

GEEZ you keep coming up with issues... but I again have to ask you why don't you do this work yourself? Is it because YOU can't stand being WRONG??
Fine I'll spend time helping you become a little more realistic dealing with facts and NOT hyperbole which is what you have been fed over the years by the MSM!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Except that healthcare can cost tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of dollars. An amount most people can't afford to just pay out of pocket. Which is, of course, why we have insurance.

If heathcare was reasonable, I might be more inclined to agree. But it isn't. Only extremely rich people can drop a few hundred grand for healthcare.

Insurance is the reason why it can cost tens of thousand or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Third party billing has grossly distorted the market. Nobody should be using insurance except for unforeseen events. There is no reason why you should be billing your insurance company for every doctor visit. It should be used strictly for emergency services and serious illnesses and if we did that medical costs would come down considerably.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

So, what happens to those children when the become adults and this charity no longer helps them?

Do you have any clue how expensive of a disease Type-1 is to control and the massive health issue that can arise if it is not controlled?

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

And one vial per month will not control their blood sugar adequately for most people and they will have major issues later.

Also, the insulin from Walmart is poor quality and leads to more highs and lows. The highs and lows are what damages the body and brings about major issues later in life.

Google does not make you an expert.

You see, I do not have to look on the web to see how much it cost, because I have a teenage son that has been living it for the last 7 years.




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[OKTexas]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

What you fail to understand is this is a legal proceeding, it has nothing to you with your emotions. Maybe your commiecrats should have come to the table when they had the chance.


.

 

[Oddball]

What about the 6.1 million kids under the age of 18 that have asthma and will be denied insurance? Is there a charity for them as well?

And if The State wasn't already meddling and intervening in the medical care marketplace, the medications and courses of treatment for them would be far less costly...Freedom -real freedom- has something in it for everyone.

 

[healthmyths]

Insulin For Life | Insulin Donations
Insulin for Life USA is a not-for-profit with a mission to rescue unused diabetes supplies here in the United States and deliver them to people across the world who have no access to these life saving necessities. Please consider how you can support IFL USA and donate your supplies or cash contribution tod

Rating 5 Popular Diabetes Non-Profits
2. Children’s Diabetes Foundation

Charity Navigator Star Rating – 3 out of 4
Overall Charity Navigator Score – 80.28 (out of 100)
Financial Score – 73.01 (out of 100)
Accountability and Transparency – 93 (out of 100)

2012 Total Revenue – $3,240,914
2012 Total Expenses – $4,006,306

Expenses Breakdown (Fiscal Year ending 12/2012)
Program Expenses – 60%
Fundraising – 30%
Administrative – 10%

Donating Unused Insulin to charity?

I mean seriously people bitching and moaning about 132,000 kids with diabetes and they can't use the INTERNET and find the above????

So, what happens to those children when the become adults and this charity no longer helps them?

Do you have any clue how expensive of a disease Type-1 is to control and the massive health issue that can arise if it is not controlled?

Hey I use the Internet to find answers to your dumb ass questions! Why don't YOU????

Treating Type 1 diabetes without Insurance - The #OverTheCounterT1DChallenge
check out the above and then calculate the below and you will see less than $100/month...

Here are the products I used on the #overthecounterT1Dchallenge:

• Novolin R Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Novolin N Insulin – $25 per vial (I used 1 full vial in the 30 days)
• Test Strips from One Drop today – $39 per month for unlimited strips (I used over 250 in the 30 days, because R and NPH require more attention due to bouncing between highs and lows)
• ReliOn Syringes – $12 per box of 100 (I used ~150)

And one vial per month will not control their blood sugar adequately for most people and they will have major issues later.

Also, the insulin from Walmart is poor quality and leads to more highs and lows. The highs and lows are what damages the body and brings about major issues later in life.

Google does not make you an expert.

You see, I do not have to look on the web to see how much it cost, because I have a teenage son that has been living it for the last 7 years.




Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

OK... see the below example of a blown out of proportion for melodramatics! And I am curious you don't have group health insurance that is obviously paying
for your son then is that right?

Now let’s take a look at my daughter’s total spending:

• 1 vial of Novalog Insulin- $300 28 day supply valid at CVS
• 3 vials of Lantus-$960 validdCVS/Target/ about $278/vial or 3 vials
• 650 test strips- $650-$1300 Walgreens box 100 $73.00/box 6.5 boxes $500
• (2) boxes of 6 mm (1/2 unit syringes)- $100 Diabetic supplies 2 boxes $26.
• Alcohol Wipes (2 boxes of 200)- $90 (charged to insurance, this seems way inflated to me) (I'm diabetic test once a day and buy wipes at Walmart $1/box 100.
• Juice boxes, and glucose tablets for treatment of lows- $250
• Now we also have her supplies that we get 2x a year
• Blood Ketone strips 350 a year $1,750... Caretouch 50 strips $10 or for 350 total of $70...way over prices
• The Cost of Having A Child with Diabetes

Now if you are like the above person who has truly padded these expenses MAYBE YOU should use the internet as I've just done!.
Pay $99† for a 10ml vial or $149† for a pack of 5 pens.
Lantus® (insulin glargine injection) 100 Units/mL Savings and Support

 

[Billy000]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

What you fail to understand is this is a legal proceeding, it has nothing to you with your emotions. Maybe your commiecrats should have come to the table when they had the chance.


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So why did the Supreme Court uphold it?

 

[Darkwind]

Insurance is for the unexpected...You don't wreck your car, then go to your insurance agent demanding collision coverage for your "pre-existing condition"... Either socialists won't understand this, or are just plain stupid.

That's the GIBSMEDAT! culture for you.

Except that healthcare can cost tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of dollars. An amount most people can't afford to just pay out of pocket. Which is, of course, why we have insurance.

If heathcare was reasonable, I might be more inclined to agree. But it isn't. Only extremely rich people can drop a few hundred grand for healthcare.

Do away with insurance and you'd see a return to affordable healthcare.

 

[Darkwind]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

What you fail to understand is this is a legal proceeding, it has nothing to you with your emotions. Maybe your commiecrats should have come to the table when they had the chance.


.

So why did the Supreme Court uphold it?

They upheld it as a tax, and they were wrong to do so.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

What you fail to understand is this is a legal proceeding, it has nothing to you with your emotions. Maybe your commiecrats should have come to the table when they had the chance.


.

So why did the Supreme Court uphold it?

Because they said it was a tax. Eliminate the mandate, eliminate the tax, eliminate the constitutionality.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

Republicans don’t care – they adhere blindly to the failed dogma of Social Darwinism, believing that only those who can afford access to healthcare should have access to healthcare; and that those who don’t have access to affordable healthcare have only themselves to blame, that they lack access to affordable healthcare due to their own failings and incompetence, and should do without access to affordable healthcare as a consequence.

Hence the reprehensible right.