Do conservatives not understand how important it is to protect pre-existing conditions?

[healthmyths]

Another question for the Trump zealots.

Is this really the platform you want the GOP folks to be running on come November?

FACTS dummy read the FACTS!!!
AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

That is a very nice rant, it does not answer the questions. but it was fun to read

Obviously then FACTS, realities substantiated links to the sources MEAN nothing to you!
Obama lied... There were 46 million uninsured.
Obama lied... There never were 160 million Americans with pre-existing conditions that were covered by health insurance!
Obama LIED...when he counted 14 million Americans who BECAUSE of HIS administrative ineptness didn't get them even though they were eligible before ACA on MEDICAID!
Obama LIED... 18 million people under age 34 making over $50,000 didn't want or need health insurance!
FACTS! substantiated with links...
But of course YOU won't follow them because YOU have your mind made up...

 

[Kittymom1026]

Hey, FUCK people with pre-existing conditions.

They shouldn't HAVE them to BEGIN with, y'know?


.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

Do we put the HI carrier on the hook for treatments when they have not collected $1 in premiums?

You did not answer the question, you just asked another one.

What do we do with these folks if they cannot get insurance and most could never make enough money in a their lifetimes to pay for their treatments without it.

Take a child that has Type-1 diabetes. This is due to no fault of their own and they were too young to have their own insurance prior to the disease taking hold of them. What should come of such a person when they become an adult?

Fine and dandy, then get your checkbook out and pay monstrous premiums.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

Do we put the HI carrier on the hook for treatments when they have not collected $1 in premiums?

You did not answer the question, you just asked another one.

What do we do with these folks if they cannot get insurance and most could never make enough money in a their lifetimes to pay for their treatments without it.

Take a child that has Type-1 diabetes. This is due to no fault of their own and they were too young to have their own insurance prior to the disease taking hold of them. What should come of such a person when they become an adult?

Fine and dandy, then get your checkbook out and pay monstrous premiums.

Again, you dodge the question, why is that?


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[Wyatt earp]

Insurance is for the unexpected...You don't wreck your car, then go to your insurance agent demanding collision coverage for your "pre-existing condition"... Either socialists won't understand this, or are just plain stupid.

That's the GIBSMEDAT! culture for you.

You idiot. The point is that healthcare shouldn’t be treated like it’s insurance. You equating car insurance as justification for rejecting healthcare coverage is ridiculous

It's the same thing, not responsible for you stuffing your fat face with junk food and not working out

 

[Mac1958]

Hey, FUCK people with pre-existing conditions. They shouldn't HAVE them to BEGIN with, y'know?

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Yeah, maybe a little too realistic, agreed...
.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Another question for the Trump zealots.

Is this really the platform you want the GOP folks to be running on come November?

FACTS dummy read the FACTS!!!
AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

That is a very nice rant, it does not answer the questions. but it was fun to read

Obviously then FACTS, realities substantiated links to the sources MEAN nothing to you!
Obama lied... There were 46 million uninsured.
Obama lied... There never were 160 million Americans with pre-existing conditions that were covered by health insurance!
Obama LIED...when he counted 14 million Americans who BECAUSE of HIS administrative ineptness didn't get them even though they were eligible before ACA on MEDICAID!
Obama LIED... 18 million people under age 34 making over $50,000 didn't want or need health insurance!
FACTS! substantiated with links...
But of course YOU won't follow them because YOU have your mind made up...
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I never made any claim of numbers, so your facts are unimportant to my point.

Whether it is 10 million or 100,000...what is the solution for people with a preexisting condition that do not have insurance already or lose their insurance and then can not get a new policy?


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[Harpy Eagle]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

Do we put the HI carrier on the hook for treatments when they have not collected $1 in premiums?

You did not answer the question, you just asked another one.

What do we do with these folks if they cannot get insurance and most could never make enough money in a their lifetimes to pay for their treatments without it.

Take a child that has Type-1 diabetes. This is due to no fault of their own and they were too young to have their own insurance prior to the disease taking hold of them. What should come of such a person when they become an adult?

You mean IF they become an adult. A lot of untreated children with type 1 don't survive to adulthood.

True, I was working off the assumption their parents had insurance


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[Soggy in NOLA]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

Do we put the HI carrier on the hook for treatments when they have not collected $1 in premiums?

You did not answer the question, you just asked another one.

What do we do with these folks if they cannot get insurance and most could never make enough money in a their lifetimes to pay for their treatments without it.

Take a child that has Type-1 diabetes. This is due to no fault of their own and they were too young to have their own insurance prior to the disease taking hold of them. What should come of such a person when they become an adult?

Fine and dandy, then get your checkbook out and pay monstrous premiums.

Again, you dodge the question, why is that?


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I answered your question.

 

[Billy000]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

Lol you can complain about Obama’s promises on ACA all you want.

Another question for the Trump zealots.

Is this really the platform you want the GOP folks to be running on come November?

FACTS dummy read the FACTS!!!
AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

Lol only cons would trust rightwing bullshit like the Washingron Examiner.

What too dense to understand is that the people who would lose pre existing conditions would be anyone on health insurance - not just ObamaCare. Anyone on a private plan - regardless of how they got the plan - are at risk of losing those protections. Many diseases or ailments like cancer and mental health disorders are considered pre existing conditions by insurance companies.

Here is an actual non partisan analysis:

“In particular, this decision could lead to insurers denying coverage to the 130 million Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is harmful to the health of these Americans and is very short-sighted considering the nation is in the midst of an opioid epidemic and 30% rise in suicide rates. We call upon the Administration to reverse this decision and defend the rights of our patients," Stewart said.

them uninsurable if they applied for individual market coverage under pre-ACA underwriting practices that existed in nearly all states. While a large share of this group has coverage through an employer or public coverage where they do not face medical underwriting, these estimates quantify how many people could be ineligible for individual market insurance under pre-ACA practices if they were to ever lose this coverage. This is a conservative estimate as these surveys do not include sufficient detail on several conditions that would have been declinable before the ACA (such as HIV/AIDS, or hepatitis C). Additionally, millions more have other conditions that could be either declinable by some insurers based on their pre-ACA underwriting guidelines or grounds for higher premiums, exclusions, or limitations under pre-ACA underwriting practices. In a separate Kaiser Family Foundation poll, most people (53%) report that they or someone in their household has a pre-existing condition.

A larger share of nonelderly women (30%) than men (24%) have declinable preexisting conditions. We estimate that 22.8 million nonelderly men have a preexisting condition that would have left them uninsurable in the individual market pre-ACA, compared to 29.4 million women. Pregnancy explains part, but not all of the difference.

Pre-existing Conditions and Medical Underwriting in the Individual Insurance Market Prior to the ACA

In other words, not only would all these Americans lose these protections, but so would many more when they get conditions considered pre existing

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

Do we put the HI carrier on the hook for treatments when they have not collected $1 in premiums?

You did not answer the question, you just asked another one.

What do we do with these folks if they cannot get insurance and most could never make enough money in a their lifetimes to pay for their treatments without it.

Take a child that has Type-1 diabetes. This is due to no fault of their own and they were too young to have their own insurance prior to the disease taking hold of them. What should come of such a person when they become an adult?

Fine and dandy, then get your checkbook out and pay monstrous premiums.

Again, you dodge the question, why is that?


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I answered your question.

No, you dodged it twice.


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[whitehall]

You don't protect the " existing conditions", you try to do the right thing without becoming a fascist regime. How can you expect insurance companies to insure terminal patients or expect taxpayers to foot the bill? Democrats tried the same thing with "affordable housing" when they thought everyone should be able to own a home without having the ability to pay the mortgage. Democrats crafted a plan worthy of organized crime when they bundled bad loans together with good loans and sold them to lending institutions as good loans. The scheme worked for about a decade until it fell apart dragging the world's economy down. Why not give the surviving family a break by doing away with the capital gains tax aka death tax so they can pay the bills? No surviving family in the AIDS community? That's what it's all about isn't it??

 

[healthmyths]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

Do we put the HI carrier on the hook for treatments when they have not collected $1 in premiums?

You did not answer the question, you just asked another one.

What do we do with these folks if they cannot get insurance and most could never make enough money in a their lifetimes to pay for their treatments without it.

Take a child that has Type-1 diabetes. This is due to no fault of their own and they were too young to have their own insurance prior to the disease taking hold of them. What should come of such a person when they become an adult?

You mean IF they become an adult. A lot of untreated children with type 1 don't survive to adulthood.

"A lot of untreated children with type 1"!!! Why can't you give me a number?

FACTS so easy to get with the INTERNET!!!
How many children under age 18 have diabetes?
132,000 children and adolescents younger than age 18 years (0.18% of the total U.S. population younger than age 18 years).
http://www.diabetes.org/assets/pdfs/basics/cdc-statistics-report-2017.pdf

The total number of deaths from diabetes among all U.S. persons aged 1–19 years decreased from 265 (1.15 per 1 million) during 2000–2002 to 228 (0.97 per 1 million) during 2012–2014 (Table) (Figure).
Disparities in Diabetes Deaths Among Children and Adolescents --- ...

TOTAL DEATHS from diabetes in children under age 19.... 228!!!!!
132,000 kids under age 18 with diabetes and 228 deaths! NOW tell me is that " A LOT"????

Once again hyperbole. Unsubstantiated dumb ass guesses.

OH wait I know the response you will come up with..."WELL...sob,sob..sniffle sniffle... one death is one too many"!
Then tell me something why don't you get just as excited about this:
"Skateboard-related injuries account for an estimated 50 000 emergency department visits and 1500 hospitalizations among children and adolescents in the United States each year. Nonpowered scooter-related injuries accounted for an estimated 9400 emergency
Skateboard and Scooter Injuries

Now how much do you think the insurance companies of families of kids paid out for those visits?
The mean total injury costs were $3,167, of which 64% were medical costs and 28% were wages lost by the subject and family
Associated Economic Impact of Skatepark-Related Injuries in Southern California Over a $150 million a year just for some dumb ass kid to skate board... wow think if that money had gone to
the diabetes care of the 228 deaths... a lot of deaths!!!

 

[skews13]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

It's called a single payer, Medicare for all system, just like everyother civilized nation in the world has.

Coming to a neighborhood near you soon.

 

[Polishprince]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

Let me explain the insurance business to you, billy.

Insurance companies charge for risk. If someone smoke half a carton a day, and drinks heavily, maybe suffers from COPD and cirrhosis, that represents more risk to them, more of a chance they are going to have to pay a claim. Same if a customer has aids, cancer, parkinsons.

Very pricy treatments, they have to charge more to make it worth their while.

Insurance companies aren't in the business of losing money.

 

[healthmyths]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

Lol you can complain about Obama’s promises on ACA all you want.

Another question for the Trump zealots.

Is this really the platform you want the GOP folks to be running on come November?

FACTS dummy read the FACTS!!!
AND THAT"S A BIG ASS LINE!!!

"10s of millions of Americans"!!! Prove it because here is the counter to your dumb UNSUPPORTED statement!

First of all Obama told a BIG ASS LIE when he repeatedly said..
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

FACTS folks: Half of All Americans would have been 160 million. Right?
The Obama administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."

How can that be when 49% of all Americans have group insurance... which excludes "pre-existing conditions"?
35% have Medicaid/Medicare./Other public .. added together that's 84% of the population....
Health Insurance Coverage of the Total Population
84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that precludes "pre-existing condition"!

Now for more facts!

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?
Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

THAT's a DAMN far short of 10s of millions as you stated!

Exaggerations. LIES.. There never were 46 million uninsured Americans in the first place!
FACTS that even the architect of ACA Jonathon Gruber who called idiots like you that voted for ACA clearly proved!
Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

So GET your facts straight and then USE links as I've done to substantiate... otherwise you are just wasting people's time reading your unsupported, subjective hyperbole!

Lol only cons would trust rightwing bullshit like the Washingron Examiner.

What too dense to understand is that the people who would lose pre existing conditions would be anyone on health insurance - not just ObamaCare. Anyone on a private plan - regardless of how they got the plan - are at risk of losing those protections. Many diseases or ailments like cancer and mental health disorders are considered pre existing conditions by insurance companies.

Here is an actual non partisan analysis:

“In particular, this decision could lead to insurers denying coverage to the 130 million Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is harmful to the health of these Americans and is very short-sighted considering the nation is in the midst of an opioid epidemic and 30% rise in suicide rates. We call upon the Administration to reverse this decision and defend the rights of our patients," Stewart said.

them uninsurable if they applied for individual market coverage under pre-ACA underwriting practices that existed in nearly all states. While a large share of this group has coverage through an employer or public coverage where they do not face medical underwriting, these estimates quantify how many people could be ineligible for individual market insurance under pre-ACA practices if they were to ever lose this coverage. This is a conservative estimate as these surveys do not include sufficient detail on several conditions that would have been declinable before the ACA (such as HIV/AIDS, or hepatitis C). Additionally, millions more have other conditions that could be either declinable by some insurers based on their pre-ACA underwriting guidelines or grounds for higher premiums, exclusions, or limitations under pre-ACA underwriting practices. In a separate Kaiser Family Foundation poll, most people (53%) report that they or someone in their household has a pre-existing condition.

A larger share of nonelderly women (30%) than men (24%) have declinable preexisting conditions. We estimate that 22.8 million nonelderly men have a preexisting condition that would have left them uninsurable in the individual market pre-ACA, compared to 29.4 million women. Pregnancy explains part, but not all of the difference.

Pre-existing Conditions and Medical Underwriting in the Individual Insurance Market Prior to the ACA

We estimate that 22.8 million nonelderly men have a preexisting condition that would have left them uninsurable in the individual market pre-ACA, compared to 29.4 million women.
Well that flies in the face of these statistics...

A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

During this period, applications for coverage at the four largest insurers increased by only 16 percent during the same period. Insurers denied coverage to (see table below):

• 172,400 people in 2007
• 221,400 people in 2008
• 257,100 people in 2009

Before the ACA, 1 in 7 people were denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Today: none. - HealthNetwork Blog

Remember nearly 85% of Americans have group,Medicaid,Medicare or other public insurance where pre-existing is not an issue!

Now further proof?

This was suppose to be the answer in ACA: Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals
AGAIN a far far cry from the supposedly 52.2 million estimated...

Why is it so hard to deal with the FACTS? Hyperbole. Subjective. Guesses???

 

[Harpy Eagle]

FACTS so easy to get with the INTERNET!!!
How many children under age 18 have diabetes?
132,000 children and adolescents younger than age 18 years (0.18% of the total U.S. population younger than age 18 years).
http://www.diabetes.org/assets/pdfs/basics/cdc-statistics-report-2017.pdf

Ok, so what should happen to these 132,000 children when they reach adulthood and cannot get insurance?

They will die without insulin and insulin is a very expensive liquid

 

[healthmyths]

10s of millions Americans would be affected by this. Either conservatives do not even understand this subject, or they believe it won’t affect them personally. That’s their “I got mine - fuck everyone else philosophy”. Of course once they realize it will affect them, only then would they support the protections.

That’s America for you.

Let me explain the insurance business to you, billy.

Insurance companies charge for risk. If someone smoke half a carton a day, and drinks heavily, maybe suffers from COPD and cirrhosis, that represents more risk to them, more of a chance they are going to have to pay a claim. Same if a customer has aids, cancer, parkinsons.

Very pricy treatments, they have to charge more to make it worth their while.

Insurance companies aren't in the business of losing money.

You are 100% right AND THEY HAVE to make a profit because they won't be allowed to sell insurance if they don't have reserves. If they don't have reserves which comes from that "evil" profit... the states will not allow them to sell. WHY some dummies would ask would that be?
AGAIN profits create reserves. Reserves pay future claims.

I hope between you and me these idiots who haven't the faintest idea of how health insurance works can comprehend the above simple facts.
A) profits create reserves.
B) Reserves required by states to pay future claims.
C) NO reserves...states won't let companies sell!

Think that is simple enough for those simpletons?? I agree with you! Billy et.al. like him just don't think!

 

[healthmyths]

FACTS so easy to get with the INTERNET!!!
How many children under age 18 have diabetes?
132,000 children and adolescents younger than age 18 years (0.18% of the total U.S. population younger than age 18 years).
http://www.diabetes.org/assets/pdfs/basics/cdc-statistics-report-2017.pdf

Ok, so what should happen to these 132,000 children when they reach adulthood and cannot get insurance?

They will die without insulin and insulin is a very expensive liquid

Sniffle sniffle...tears... woe is us?
Why wouldn't they get health insurance through their employer????? YOU mean these 132,000 children won't be working? Well you answered the question!
Remember nearly 85% of Americans have some insurance with out pre-existing conditions. That means most of these "kids" if they work will get coverage either through the employer, the state Medicaid/ or other state funds for those that can't work!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What is the solution for those who have a condition prior to getting insurance but cannot afford to pay for the treatments and cannot get insurance either?

Do we just let them die?

Do we have the Govt pay for them?

?

It's called a single payer, Medicare for all system, just like everyother civilized nation in the world has.

Coming to a neighborhood near you soon.

That is what everyone in position of power wants, to include our POTUS