Do Conservatives Want a Religious War Between the West and the Islamic World?

[saveliberty]

Seems to me Islam wants a religious war with the West, not the other way around.

 

[Mojo2]

only in Islam are queers executed

Your hero Pootin kills them.

And RW nutters in the US do too.

Start a thread about Matthew Shepherd and watch the crazies come out from under their rocks.

 

[Katzndogz]

War is upon you whether you want it or not
Aragorn the Ranger

We can fight or do what liberals prefer, stand there and get a hatchet buried in your skull. So far the liberals are outdoing the French at being surrender monkeys. Is that working well?

RWs say ignorant stuff like that to hide what they really think, which is not much at all.

Its not whether we have a fight on our hands. Its how we choose to fight that enemy.

The right wants more money for the 1%, for war profiteers and they don't care about dead or maimed Americans or collateral innocents. For them, its about money so they want to fight a 21st century war with 19th century weapons.

Just another case of the RWs being willing dupes.

I suggest that you ask weapons manufacturers to supply you with free weapons. Or you can make your own. No war profiteers then.

 

[Freewill]

Wait a second, I thought Obama was President. I thought it was Obama bombing Syria. I thought it was Obama bombing ISIS. It sure seems that it is Obama that wants war.

That said, you are on the reverse side of logic once again. In today's world it seems, and is, that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim, why is that?

 

[Political Junky]

only in Islam are queers executed

Your hero Pootin kills them.

And RW nutters in the US do too.

Start a thread about Matthew Shepherd and watch the crazies come out from under their rocks.

Yes, the Far Right is hard on gays whether in the Mideast or right here at home. They have true theocracy, we don't yet.

 

[tinydancer]

only in Islam are queers executed

Your hero Pootin kills them.

And RW nutters in the US do too.

Start a thread about Matthew Shepherd and watch the crazies come out from under their rocks.

Yes, the Far Right is hard on gays whether in the Mideast or right here at home. They have true theocracy, we don't yet.

Kiss my ass that Putin kills gays or that Christians killed Matthew Shepherd.

Good grief. Have all you progressives taken extra strength Ex Lax this weekend ?

Because you sure as hell are shitting all over the place in every bizarro thread. The diarrhea spewing from your keyboards is nothing short of amazing.

 

[Avatar4321]

It's the Right that calls for turning the desert into glass in the Mideast, every couple of years.

They conveniently ignore that THAT is exactly what we have done.

RWs are very ignorant about so many of the things they rant about. Comes from getting their "news" from garbage heaps like faux/limbaugh, etc.

you just said we've turned the middle east into glass and have the audacity to claim we are the ignorant ones ?

do you have pictures of the middle east being glass or have someway I can see this for myself? How do people live there if it's glass? Seriously educate us.

 

[Avatar4321]

Recently, there have been a few lone wolf attacks by men who have recently converted to Islam but seem to have no known connection to any terrorist group. Despite the isolated nature of these attacks, I've been hearing quite a few people on the right say that we should come to terms with what they say is the reality that we ARE at war with Islam. To that end, the mock president Obama's statements that Islam is a religion of peace and that we are NOT at war with Islam.

These comments aren't isolated statements. Actually, it's more of a rising chorus on the right.

Is it really wise for America to expand the fight from a struggle between our nation and few terrorists and/or terrorist groups with goals that are not even shared by the gov'ts in the countries where these terrorists operate into a monumental fight between the West and Islam which could ultimately involve millions of potential combatants and conceivably go on for decades if not longer?

I guess one of the reasons that this mystifies me is because it seems to me that this is EXACTLY what the terrorists want. Why would we do for them what they have so far been unable to accomplish on their own?

Islam is a religion of war, it's right in the core of how they see the world. Islam divides the world into two sphere, the House of Peace are those lands where Islam reigns supreme and the House of War is the lands where Islam is a minority presence and Muslims are commanded to do what is necessary to convert the House of War into the House of Peace.

When one party is waging war against you can't pretend that you're not at war.

Holy Moly!

Your post is almost exactly what I have wanted, for the longest time now, to spring forth from my own mind onto these pages so the uninformed and misinformed might clearly see and understand.

Thank you.

I can retire that task.

You said it better than I could have!



Great post!

M2

And, RWs are so damn easy to impress.

then you still have hope

 

[Avatar4321]

Wait a second, I thought Obama was President. I thought it was Obama bombing Syria. I thought it was Obama bombing ISIS. It sure seems that it is Obama that wants war.

That said, you are on the reverse side of logic once again. In today's world it seems, and is, that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim, why is that?

I find it amazing that progressives want to pretend we are the ones in power when they are. The wise course would be to stay out of it.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Why don't you ask it the other way around? Do Muslims want a religious war between the Islam and West? Obviously they do. See, easy.

I voted no, but it doesn't matter, the war is on, because Muslims made it that way.

 

[Disir]

You have a group of the religious right (Dominionists included) that wants a Holy War and firmly believe that this will bring about "the end times". They are simply being manipulated. These folks are easy to spot because they attempt to frame foreign policy as choosing Christianity over Islam. Even though most people would choose neither or do not view choosing one over the other as any type of rational choice.

There is no difference between using interpretations of the Koran to justify a Jihad and using parts of the Christian Bible to do the same.

I've read the Word many times and frankly I've never read that we as Christians should start a Holy War. I'd appreciate you showing me where in the New Testament we are ordered to do so.

On the other hand, Twelvers firmly believe that chaos must reign over the planet before al al-Mahdi comes back as the Messiah with Jesus to rule the earth under Islam and bring peace around the globe.

It's an apocalyptic view to be certain. Don't forget that Ahmadinejad actually called for the reappearance of the 12th Imam at the UN. They truly believe in this.

Hence they believe war and chaos can hasten the appearance of the Messiah and Jesus.

You have a group of the religious right (Dominionists included) that wants a Holy War and firmly believe that this will bring about "the end times". They are simply being manipulated. These folks are easy to spot because they attempt to frame foreign policy as choosing Christianity over Islam. Even though most people would choose neither or do not view choosing one over the other as any type of rational choice.

There is no difference between using interpretations of the Koran to justify a Jihad and using parts of the Christian Bible to do the same.

I've read the Word many times and frankly I've never read that we as Christians should start a Holy War. I'd appreciate you showing me where in the New Testament we are ordered to do so.

On the other hand, Twelvers firmly believe that chaos must reign over the planet before al al-Mahdi comes back as the Messiah with Jesus to rule the earth under Islam and bring peace around the globe.

It's an apocalyptic view to be certain. Don't forget that Ahmadinejad actually called for the reappearance of the 12th Imam at the UN. They truly believe in this.

Hence they believe war and chaos can hasten the appearance of the Messiah and Jesus.

It's not a question of being ordered. It's the interpretation and spin. Parts of the bible have been used to justify a great many things. War and slavery are among them.

Meet Gary Cass:
I 8217 m Islamaphobic Are You

Meet General Boykin:
WallBuilders - LIVE

Matthew 10:34English Standard Version (ESV)
Not Peace, but a Sword
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Islam has scholars that devote their time to interpretations. The puritanical extremist streak that is associated with Wahhabism is one. This is what was exported by both the Saudis and the US to create a jihad against the (then) Soviet Union.

Christian interpretations have been used to justify war. If you like I can dig out the first time Christianity was tied to war, a later use of Christianity for war, and the removal of parts of the bible because a group of people were considered too war like as it was. Or not. If that stuff bores you then I am not even going to waste my time. It's ok. I know it bores the crap out of people and I'm used to it.

It's about manipulation. Manipulating people through their religious beliefs.

 

[whitehall]

Conservatives watched while Bill Clinton sold ICBM technology to China, Nuclear capability to North Korea and bombed a defenseless country in Europe to deflect interest in his peculiar sexual appetite. The first attempt on the World Trade Center happened on Clinton's watch and he dismissed it as a "stupid act by stupid people. During Clinton's administration the radical muslem jihad became more powerful but Clinton couldn't take the time to come out from under the Oval Office desk with Monica to even consider Osama Bin Ladin's arrest. The 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school while Clinton's stupid A.G. was drafting an order that prevented the CIA from sharing information with the FBI. Barry Hussein has been in office for almost six years and liberals still seem clueless while the muslem terror has escalated. Barry Hussein was still president last time I looked. Ask him if we are already in a religious war.

 

[tinydancer]

You have a group of the religious right (Dominionists included) that wants a Holy War and firmly believe that this will bring about "the end times". They are simply being manipulated. These folks are easy to spot because they attempt to frame foreign policy as choosing Christianity over Islam. Even though most people would choose neither or do not view choosing one over the other as any type of rational choice.

There is no difference between using interpretations of the Koran to justify a Jihad and using parts of the Christian Bible to do the same.

I've read the Word many times and frankly I've never read that we as Christians should start a Holy War. I'd appreciate you showing me where in the New Testament we are ordered to do so.

On the other hand, Twelvers firmly believe that chaos must reign over the planet before al al-Mahdi comes back as the Messiah with Jesus to rule the earth under Islam and bring peace around the globe.

It's an apocalyptic view to be certain. Don't forget that Ahmadinejad actually called for the reappearance of the 12th Imam at the UN. They truly believe in this.

Hence they believe war and chaos can hasten the appearance of the Messiah and Jesus.

You have a group of the religious right (Dominionists included) that wants a Holy War and firmly believe that this will bring about "the end times". They are simply being manipulated. These folks are easy to spot because they attempt to frame foreign policy as choosing Christianity over Islam. Even though most people would choose neither or do not view choosing one over the other as any type of rational choice.

There is no difference between using interpretations of the Koran to justify a Jihad and using parts of the Christian Bible to do the same.

I've read the Word many times and frankly I've never read that we as Christians should start a Holy War. I'd appreciate you showing me where in the New Testament we are ordered to do so.

On the other hand, Twelvers firmly believe that chaos must reign over the planet before al al-Mahdi comes back as the Messiah with Jesus to rule the earth under Islam and bring peace around the globe.

It's an apocalyptic view to be certain. Don't forget that Ahmadinejad actually called for the reappearance of the 12th Imam at the UN. They truly believe in this.

Hence they believe war and chaos can hasten the appearance of the Messiah and Jesus.

It's not a question of being ordered. It's the interpretation and spin. Parts of the bible have been used to justify a great many things. War and slavery are among them.

Meet Gary Cass:
I 8217 m Islamaphobic Are You

Meet General Boykin:
WallBuilders - LIVE

Matthew 10:34English Standard Version (ESV)
Not Peace, but a Sword
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Islam has scholars that devote their time to interpretations. The puritanical extremist streak that is associated with Wahhabism is one. This is what was exported by both the Saudis and the US to create a jihad against the (then) Soviet Union.

Christian interpretations have been used to justify war. If you like I can dig out the first time Christianity was tied to war, a later use of Christianity for war, and the removal of parts of the bible because a group of people were considered too war like as it was. Or not. If that stuff bores you then I am not even going to waste my time. It's ok. I know it bores the crap out of people and I'm used to it.

It's about manipulation. Manipulating people through their religious beliefs.

Sigh. These passages in Matthew have to do with the mission of the twelve and the conditions of discipleship.

You can't treat the Word as a salad bar and only pick what you want and leave the rest behind.

All thru the New Testament Christ advocates for peace. But He understands that it is unavoidable that wars will continue until He returns.

There is the theory of the Just War that was put forth by Christian theologians St. Augustine of and St. Thomas Aquinas but that is a whole different ball of wax than being commanded to wage a Holy War as compared to the Koran which has many verses commanding believers to wage war.

ETA: packing it in for tonight. See you tomorrow.

 

[Contumacious]

Conservatives watched while Bill Clinton sold ICBM technology to China, Nuclear capability to North Korea and bombed a defenseless country in Europe to deflect interest in his peculiar sexual appetite. The first attempt on the World Trade Center happened on Clinton's watch and he dismissed it as a "stupid act by stupid people. During Clinton's administration the radical muslem jihad became more powerful but Clinton couldn't take the time to come out from under the Oval Office desk with Monica to even consider Osama Bin Ladin's arrest. The 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school while Clinton's stupid A.G. was drafting an order that prevented the CIA from sharing information with the FBI. Barry Hussein has been in office for almost six years and liberals still seem clueless while the muslem terror has escalated. Barry Hussein was still president last time I looked. Ask him if we are already in a religious war.

Listen Retard, during all pertinent times the US was subsidizing the Palestinian Holocaust and had invaded Iraq under false pretenses. Why do you stupid fucks believe that the Muslims should take all that abuse without retaliating evades comprehension.


What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn't

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You have a group of the religious right (Dominionists included) that wants a Holy War and firmly believe that this will bring about "the end times". They are simply being manipulated. These folks are easy to spot because they attempt to frame foreign policy as choosing Christianity over Islam. Even though most people would choose neither or do not view choosing one over the other as any type of rational choice.

There is no difference between using interpretations of the Koran to justify a Jihad and using parts of the Christian Bible to do the same.

I'm befuddled here, maybe you can assist me since you believe what you say is true.
Where in the Bible is the directive for a Christian to go to war?
I've read the bible a few times all I have seen was Christians were to love their enemy, pray for those who spitefully use them, forgive 70 times 7, spread the good news of Jesus Christ,
And please do not come back with something from the old testament, At the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ No one claiming to be a Christian are under the laws in the old testament.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

only in Islam are queers executed

Your hero Pootin kills them.

And RW nutters in the US do too.

Start a thread about Matthew Shepherd and watch the crazies come out from under their rocks.

Yes, the Far Right is hard on gays whether in the Mideast or right here at home. They have true theocracy, we don't yet.

The far right doesn't public execute gays like Islam does.

 

[Mojo2]

You have a group of the religious right (Dominionists included) that wants a Holy War and firmly believe that this will bring about "the end times". They are simply being manipulated. These folks are easy to spot because they attempt to frame foreign policy as choosing Christianity over Islam. Even though most people would choose neither or do not view choosing one over the other as any type of rational choice.

There is no difference between using interpretations of the Koran to justify a Jihad and using parts of the Christian Bible to do the same.

I've read the Word many times and frankly I've never read that we as Christians should start a Holy War. I'd appreciate you showing me where in the New Testament we are ordered to do so.

On the other hand, Twelvers firmly believe that chaos must reign over the planet before al al-Mahdi comes back as the Messiah with Jesus to rule the earth under Islam and bring peace around the globe.

It's an apocalyptic view to be certain. Don't forget that Ahmadinejad actually called for the reappearance of the 12th Imam at the UN. They truly believe in this.

Hence they believe war and chaos can hasten the appearance of the Messiah and Jesus.

You have a group of the religious right (Dominionists included) that wants a Holy War and firmly believe that this will bring about "the end times". They are simply being manipulated. These folks are easy to spot because they attempt to frame foreign policy as choosing Christianity over Islam. Even though most people would choose neither or do not view choosing one over the other as any type of rational choice.

There is no difference between using interpretations of the Koran to justify a Jihad and using parts of the Christian Bible to do the same.

I've read the Word many times and frankly I've never read that we as Christians should start a Holy War. I'd appreciate you showing me where in the New Testament we are ordered to do so.

On the other hand, Twelvers firmly believe that chaos must reign over the planet before al al-Mahdi comes back as the Messiah with Jesus to rule the earth under Islam and bring peace around the globe.

It's an apocalyptic view to be certain. Don't forget that Ahmadinejad actually called for the reappearance of the 12th Imam at the UN. They truly believe in this.

Hence they believe war and chaos can hasten the appearance of the Messiah and Jesus.

It's not a question of being ordered. It's the interpretation and spin. Parts of the bible have been used to justify a great many things. War and slavery are among them.

Meet Gary Cass:
I 8217 m Islamaphobic Are You

Meet General Boykin:
WallBuilders - LIVE

Matthew 10:34English Standard Version (ESV)
Not Peace, but a Sword
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Islam has scholars that devote their time to interpretations. The puritanical extremist streak that is associated with Wahhabism is one. This is what was exported by both the Saudis and the US to create a jihad against the (then) Soviet Union.

Christian interpretations have been used to justify war. If you like I can dig out the first time Christianity was tied to war, a later use of Christianity for war, and the removal of parts of the bible because a group of people were considered too war like as it was. Or not. If that stuff bores you then I am not even going to waste my time. It's ok. I know it bores the crap out of people and I'm used to it.

It's about manipulation. Manipulating people through their religious beliefs.

Your argument is only of interest to those who think that we will be continually confounded by the dilemma of which "religion is better?'

The rest of us have moved to a more pertinent discussion.

Namely, what to do about Global Islamist "Radicals" and their stealthy Jihadist brethren who are less inclined to violence but whose activities work hand in hand with those of the VIolent Terrorists and whose object is exactly the same, World Domination?

 

[Mojo2]

It's the Right that calls for turning the desert into glass in the Mideast, every couple of years.

They conveniently ignore that THAT is exactly what we have done.

RWs are very ignorant about so many of the things they rant about. Comes from getting their "news" from garbage heaps like faux/limbaugh, etc.

you just said we've turned the middle east into glass and have the audacity to claim we are the ignorant ones ?

do you have pictures of the middle east being glass or have someway I can see this for myself? How do people live there if it's glass? Seriously educate us.

Luggly may not have pix of that but maybe he/she (?) has pix of him/her inciting the Muslims in that part of the world with our inflammatory comments he/she shit stirs on these pages.

 

[frigidweirdo]

don't know what religion is eh?

Sure I do. Scientology is a religion, why can't oil be?


MONEY!!!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

The muslims have said this is a religious war and they get a vote too.

Come on libs. Isn't atheism worth fighting for. Or will you all convert when the knife is at your throat. It will be your come to Mohammed moment.

They need it to be a religious war in order to get new recruits. Bush had been (deliberately?) playing into their hands.