Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?

[RKMBrown]

Nope, not a single one. They rob jobs from other employers.

Not even close...the government performs vital functions. Many of which the private sector benefits from immensely

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

No government can exist without taxpayer support, both in funding and supplying manpower. We are the owners of our government, government employees work for us not the other way around.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If a public school adds a teacher, and a private school adds a teacher, you're trying to tell us that the private school created a job but the public school didn't.

That is fucking daft.

You are being a dumbass again.

In order for the public school to pay the teacher they must take money from someone that already earned the money, depriving that taxpayer of spending the money how he chooses. Nothing is created, only exchanged.

If a person decides to start a private school then he is creating a business and the people have the choice of using it or not. They will only use it if they want to. It will be their choice, hence the creation.

Do you understand the difference?

It is the Broken Window Fallacy, which I referenced to earlier. it is comparing the seen to the unseen. Go back and look at the video again if you have the intelligence to understand.

You are like the idiots in the video that says the town would have all kinds of employment opportunities if all the window in the town were broken. Prosperity for all, correct? How about the people that weren't in the window repair business? How are they going to get work when everybody's money has to go window repair?

We are not talking about actual employment but what is really created. That difference seems to escape you.

To carry it to the extreme then why have private jobs at all? Why not full blown communism where everybody works for the state? That worked out really well in the Soviet Union, North Korea and Cuba, didn't it?

I am through trying to explain basic economics to a stupid Moon Bat that has absolutely no understanding of economics principles.

You're just digging yourself in deeper.

There you have it people. A public school teaching job isn't a job. A private school teaching job is.

Can you get any more retarded?

Oh, PS, idiot. The only reason we have public schools is because the People CHOOSE to have them.

 

[Lakhota]

The federal government provides DEFENSE to protect the private sector - which ALL taxpayers help pay for.

 

[Lakhota]

Not even close...the government performs vital functions. Many of which the private sector benefits from immensely

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

No government can exist without taxpayer support, both in funding and supplying manpower. We are the owners of our government, government employees work for us not the other way around.

Seriously, you aren't really that fucking stupid - are you? It's just an act - right?

 

[Flash]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?



Link

You are still confusing actual employment with job creation. They are different things. You can take a lot of money away from Americans and provide employment with the funds but that is not job creation. That is only a transfer of jobs.

The defense department started the internet to provide communication between Cheyenne Mountain and the Pentagon during the Cold War. That was a valid project. Defense communication is always a good thing.

That doesn't mean that the technology wouldn't have been invented elsewhere and it doesn't mean the government created the jobs that came out of the tremendous computer revolution that took off in the 1980s of which the internet is part of it.

Once the personal computer came along it was just a matter of time before somebody would come up with the idea of communicating between the machines and probably would have done it a lot cheaper and more efficient than the defense department. After all the defense department is notorious for over spending.

You sound like Al "Nut Job" Gore taking credit for the invention of the internet.

 

[Lakhota]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?



Link

You are still confusing actual employment with job creation. They are different things. You can take a lot of money away from Americans and provide employment with the funds but that is not job creation. That is only a transfer of jobs.

The defense department started the internet to provide communication between Cheyenne Mountain and the Pentagon during the Cold War. That was a valid project. Defense communication is always a good thing.

That doesn't mean that the technology wouldn't have been invented elsewhere and it doesn't mean the government created the jobs that came out of the tremendous computer revolution that took off in the 1980s of which the internet is part of it.

Once the personal computer came along it was just a matter of time before somebody would come up with the idea of communicating between the machines and probably would have done it a lot cheaper and more efficient than the defense department. After all the defense department is notorious for over spending.

You sound like Al "Nut Job" Gore taking credit for the invention of the internet.

You're obviously a world class retard, but maybe the following Forbes link will help you:

Of Course the Government Can Create Jobs! - Forbes

 

[The Rabbi]

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

I am getting tired of trying to teach a bunch of stupid Moon Bats about basic economics.

How about you?

Of course these are the same nitwits that thought Obama was going to do a good job so I think that pretty well says all that needs to be said about much of a dumbass they are.

It's like teaching a pig to sing. You tire in frustration and just annoy the pig.

 

[rightwinger]

Not even close...the government performs vital functions. Many of which the private sector benefits from immensely

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

No government can exist without taxpayer support, both in funding and supplying manpower. We are the owners of our government, government employees work for us not the other way around.

Is it a surprise to you that the government is......We the People?

 

[The Rabbi]

Deflection is also not a river in Egypt.

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

No government can exist without taxpayer support, both in funding and supplying manpower. We are the owners of our government, government employees work for us not the other way around.

Is it a surprise to you that the government is......We the People?

Yes, we the union people, we the lawyer people, we the lobbyist people, we the bureaucrat people.

As for teh rest of us shmoes, we're just on the hook for it all.

 

[rightwinger]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?



Link

You are still confusing actual employment with job creation. They are different things. You can take a lot of money away from Americans and provide employment with the funds but that is not job creation. That is only a transfer of jobs.

The defense department started the internet to provide communication between Cheyenne Mountain and the Pentagon during the Cold War. That was a valid project. Defense communication is always a good thing.

That doesn't mean that the technology wouldn't have been invented elsewhere and it doesn't mean the government created the jobs that came out of the tremendous computer revolution that took off in the 1980s of which the internet is part of it.

Once the personal computer came along it was just a matter of time before somebody would come up with the idea of communicating between the machines and probably would have done it a lot cheaper and more efficient than the defense department. After all the defense department is notorious for over spending.

You sound like Al "Nut Job" Gore taking credit for the invention of the internet.

You didn't do that

Can apply to any technology

 

[rightwinger]

Your living in a fantasy world is not a defense

Government is essential to any society, the private sector benefits from government and in many ways controls it, the government creates jobs both within and from the government

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

No government can exist without taxpayer support, both in funding and supplying manpower. We are the owners of our government, government employees work for us not the other way around.

Is it a surprise to you that the government is......We the People?

Yes, we the union people, we the lawyer people, we the lobbyist people, we the bureaucrat people.

As for teh rest of us shmoes, we're just on the hook for it all.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Need me to explain it to you?

 

[The Rabbi]

No. Government is not essential. Government is at best useful and at worst a detriment to all life on earth.

The private sector only benefits from government on occasion, usually government is a waste of our hard earned money.

The government employees who manage people who provide services to the taxpayers are merely middle men. These government employees work for taxpayers and take the part of the middle man in the spending of taxpayer funds.

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

No government can exist without taxpayer support, both in funding and supplying manpower. We are the owners of our government, government employees work for us not the other way around.

Is it a surprise to you that the government is......We the People?

Yes, we the union people, we the lawyer people, we the lobbyist people, we the bureaucrat people.

As for teh rest of us shmoes, we're just on the hook for it all.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Need me to explain it to you?

Where's the part about the Raisin Board and the Pension Benefits Guarantee Corporation?

 

[Pheonixops]

Currently, 22 million Americans are employed at the local, state and federal level.

Yes, the Government creates a hell of a lot of jobs

No. The government is nothing but group of employees of the taxpayers of this country. The taxpayers employees merely facilitate. The creators of the jobs, thus, are the taxpayers, not the facilitators who work for the taxpayers. Try to keep up.

Those government employees are taxpayers too. Many small and large businesses as well as individuals make money by providing services to the government. When they make money from the government contracts that they obtain, they hire people.

 

[rightwinger]

No society can function without a government from the most simple to the most complex
The private sector cannot function without a government providing essential economic, support and protection

No government can exist without taxpayer support, both in funding and supplying manpower. We are the owners of our government, government employees work for us not the other way around.

Is it a surprise to you that the government is......We the People?

Yes, we the union people, we the lawyer people, we the lobbyist people, we the bureaucrat people.

As for teh rest of us shmoes, we're just on the hook for it all.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Need me to explain it to you?

Where's the part about the Raisin Board and the Pension Benefits Guarantee Corporation?

Missed out on Civics 101 didn't you

 

[Lakhota]

Judging from the poll, it looks like 11 idiots have voted "No" so far.

 

[Iceweasel]

The U.S. federal government started the Internet. How many jobs has that created?

Wrong.
And even if they had it is the private sector that turned it into what it is. All inventions don't flow from government.

Brief History of the Internet - Internet Timeline Internet Society
Origins of the Internet
The first recorded description of the social interactions that could be enabled through networking was a series of memos written by J.C.R. Licklider of MIT in August 1962 discussing his "Galactic Network" concept. He envisioned a globally interconnected set of computers through which everyone could quickly access data and programs from any site. In spirit, the concept was very much like the Internet of today. Licklider was the first head of the computer research program at DARPA,4 starting in October 1962. While at DARPA he convinced his successors at DARPA, Ivan Sutherland, Bob Taylor, and MIT researcher Lawrence G. Roberts, of the importance of this networking concept.

Leonard Kleinrock at MIT published the first paper on packet switching theory in July 1961 and the first book on the subject in 1964. Kleinrock convinced Roberts of the theoretical feasibility of communications using packets rather than circuits, which was a major step along the path towards computer networking. The other key step was to make the computers talk together. To explore this, in 1965 working with Thomas Merrill, Roberts connected the TX-2 computer in Mass. to the Q-32 in California with a low speed dial-up telephone line creating the first (however small) wide-area computer network ever built. The result of this experiment was the realization that the time-shared computers could work well together, running programs and retrieving data as necessary on the remote machine, but that the circuit switched telephone system was totally inadequate for the job. Kleinrock's conviction of the need for packet switching was confirmed.

In late 1966 Roberts went to DARPA to develop the computer network concept and quickly put together his plan for the "ARPANET", publishing it in 1967. At the conference where he presented the paper, there was also a paper on a packet network concept from the UK by Donald Davies and Roger Scantlebury of NPL. Scantlebury told Roberts about the NPL work as well as that of Paul Baran and others at RAND. The RAND group had written a paper on packet switching networks for secure voice in the military in 1964. It happened that the work at MIT (1961-1967), at RAND (1962-1965), and at NPL (1964-1967) had all proceeded in parallel without any of the researchers knowing about the other work. The word "packet" was adopted from the work at NPL and the proposed line speed to be used in the ARPANET design was upgraded from 2.4 kbps to 50 kbps. 5

 

[Flash]

Can apply to any technology

The government spends research money mostly for defense and in the past for NASA.

Government research is usually pretty damn expensive and comes at a great cost to the American taxpayer.

Occasionally there is something that can be transferred to the civilian market but it is really not that common.

The National Labs cost a ton of money and they all have a technology transfer missions but the results of those transfers are pretty dismal when you look at the record. University research is usually pork barrel programs that is politically motivated.

The filthy ass bloated American Federal Government cost the American people almost $4 trillion a year. That is Trillion with a "T".

The useful technology transfer we get for that $4 trillion is miniscule.

We get a lot of illegals getting food stamps and we get Obamaphones and we get money being wasted on Solyndra solar cells and we get shrimp treadmill studies and we build Muslim Mosques in Muslim countries but we get very little real useful technology transfer.

This big bloated government that you love more than life itself is a wasteful instrument of debt and slavery to the American people.

 

[rightwinger]

The government funds R&D in multiple fields.........Medicine, communications, genetics research, environment, energy, almost any scientific endeavor

Government grants is what keeps R&D alive in this country

Creates alot of jobs

 

[rightwinger]

10 World-Changing Inventions from Government Funding The Fiscal Times

 

[Flash]

The government funds R&D in multiple fields.........Medicine, communications, genetics research, environment, energy, almost any scientific endeavor

Government grants is what keeps R&D alive in this country

Creates alot of jobs

Yea, like shrimp treadmill studies and researching how monkeys gamble.

You have a very convoluted idea of what this filthy ass government spends money on.

However, I will educate you:

#1 The U.S. government is spending $750,000 on a new soccer field for detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.

#2 The Obama administration plans to spend between 16 and 20 million dollars helping students from Indonesia get master’s degrees.

#3 If you can believe it, the U.S. government has spent $175,587 “to determine if cocaine makes Japanese quail engage in sexually risky behavior”.

#4 The U.S. government spent $200,000 on “a tattoo removal program” in Mission Hills, California.

#5 The federal government has shelled out $3 million to researchers at the University of California at Irvine to fund their research on video games such as World of Warcraft. Wouldn’t we all love to have a “research job” like that?

#6 The Department of Health and Human Services plans to spend $500 million on a program that will, among other things, seek to solve the problem of 5-year-old children that “can’t sit still” in a kindergarten classroom.

#7 Fannie Mae is about to ask the federal government for another $4.6 billion bailout, and it will almost certainly get it.

#8 The federal government once spent 30 million dollars on a program that was designed to help Pakistani farmers produce more mangos.

#9 The U.S. Department of Agriculture once gave researchers at the University of New Hampshire $700,000 to study methane gas emissions from dairy cows.

#10 According to USA Today, 13 different government agencies “fund 209 different science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) education programs — and 173 of those programs overlap with at least one other program.”

#11 A total of $615,000 was given to the University of California at Santa Cruz to digitize photos, T-shirts and concert tickets belonging to the Grateful Dead.

#12 China lends us more money than any other foreign nation, but that didn’t stop our government from spending 17.8 million dollars on social and environmental programs for China.

#13 The U.S. government once spent 2.6 million dollars to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly.

#14 One professor at Stanford University was given $239,100 to study how Americans use the Internet to find love.

#15 The U.S. Postal Service spent $13,500 on a single dinner at Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse.

#16 The National Science Foundation once spent $216,000 to study whether or not politicians “gain or lose support by taking ambiguous positions”.

#17 A total of $1.8 million was spent on a “museum of neon signs” in Las Vegas, Nevada.

#18 The federal government spends 25 billion dollars a year maintaining federal buildings that are either unused or totally vacant.

#19 U.S. farmers are given a total of $2 billion each year for not farming their land.

#20 The U.S. government handed one Tennessee library $5,000 for the purpose of hosting a series of video game parties.

#21 A few years ago the government spent $123,050 on a Mother’s Day Shrine in Grafton, West Virginia. It turns out that Grafton only has a population of a little more than 5,000 people.

#22 One professor at Dartmouth University was given $137,530 to create a “recession-themed” video game entitled “Layoff”.

#23 According to the Heritage Foundation, the U.S. military spent “$998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida”.

#24 The U.S. Department of Agriculture once shelled out $30,000 to a group of farmers to develop a tourist-friendly database of farms that host guests for overnight “haycations”.

#25 The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

#26 The National Institutes of Health also once spent $442,340 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in Vietnam.

#27 The National Institutes of Health loves to spend our tax money on really bizarre things. The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

#28 According to the Washington Post, 1,271 different government organizations work on government programs related to counterterrorism and homeland security.

#29 The U.S. government spent $100,000 on a “Celebrity Chef Fruit Promotion Road Show in Indonesia”.

#30 The feds once gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 “to paint a Chinook salmon” on the side of a Boeing 737.