Do Trump supporters understand their opposition?

[bripat9643]

You're ignoring the reality, the country cannot continue on the way has been. This federal government is paying debt with more debt and paying that debt with printed paper. That's called a banana republic. It's going to collapse... fact.
It's best to split up the country while it's still a country...

Your understanding of economics is elementary.... Go study up and stop regurgitating the propaganda.

Running the economy of the way this federal government is - is like the grasshopper not the ant.
It's absolutely ridiculously elementary to think that the government can run the economy the way it has and sustain civilization.
No reason for all of this debt - this debt cannot be paid its far too large, there is enough money/resources in the world pay this debt...
It's childish thinking socialism can ever work for the good...

Do you realize that the national debt is not a credit card bill right? If we just paid it all of next week and eliminated treasury bonds from the market (one of the most stable of investments) it would crash our economy.

The Debt isn't something that needs to be paid off, it is something that needs to be managed. I do agree it needs to be better managed and there is a ton of fat that can be trimmed in our government programs. You don't seem to really understand the difference between our national debt and a personal debt. I suggest doing some reading... Here's something to start with:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/06/public-debt

Politicians will never manage our debt responsibly. All their incentives run in the opposite direction. They win by spending like there's no tomorrow and kicking the can down the road. Cutting spending is the road to electoral defeat.

So just how do you propose to accomplish this fantasy of managing the debt responsibly?

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

How are you going to get a bunch of career politicians in Congress vote to cut spending? It simply can't be done.

 

[bripat9643]

Running the economy of the way this federal government is - is like the grasshopper not the ant.
It's absolutely ridiculously elementary to think that the government can run the economy the way it has and sustain civilization.
No reason for all of this debt - this debt cannot be paid its far too large, there is enough money/resources in the world pay this debt...
It's childish thinking socialism can ever work for the good...

Do you realize that the national debt is not a credit card bill right? If we just paid it all of next week and eliminated treasury bonds from the market (one of the most stable of investments) it would crash our economy.

The Debt isn't something that needs to be paid off, it is something that needs to be managed. I do agree it needs to be better managed and there is a ton of fat that can be trimmed in our government programs. You don't seem to really understand the difference between our national debt and a personal debt. I suggest doing some reading... Here's something to start with:

Public debt: How much is too much? | The Economist

Politicians will never manage our debt responsibly. All their incentives run in the opposite direction. They win by spending like there's no tomorrow and kicking the can down the road. Cutting spending is the road to electoral defeat.

So just how do you propose to accomplish this fantasy of managing the debt responsibly?

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

I really find it amazing showcasing of stupidity to think that he should carry himself "well" while the establishment pays people to be violent at his events and so on. I am sure these people just turn the other cheek or whatever when they are punched. Of course, the problem is always with the guy who got punched, not with the one who punches.

If you aren't willing to fight back against the megalomaniacs in power, they will destroy you. As simple as that...

If he knew how to carry himself he could have walked away with this election so easily... Stick to the issues, speak about how he will create jobs and provide security... It would have been so easy. But his ego got in his way and he had to be the tough guy and belittle all his opposers. He was warned over and over and over and over again, but he just has no discipline. If he is sent back to Trump tower after this election we will all have dodged a big bullet.

Instead you'll vote for the most corrupt politician ever to run for office - one who sold out her country for personal gain.

You are part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[Slade3200]

Do you realize that the national debt is not a credit card bill right? If we just paid it all of next week and eliminated treasury bonds from the market (one of the most stable of investments) it would crash our economy.

The Debt isn't something that needs to be paid off, it is something that needs to be managed. I do agree it needs to be better managed and there is a ton of fat that can be trimmed in our government programs. You don't seem to really understand the difference between our national debt and a personal debt. I suggest doing some reading... Here's something to start with:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/06/public-debt

Politicians will never manage our debt responsibly. All their incentives run in the opposite direction. They win by spending like there's no tomorrow and kicking the can down the road. Cutting spending is the road to electoral defeat.

So just how do you propose to accomplish this fantasy of managing the debt responsibly?

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

There's never been a career politician that's been responsible… Fact

So says the peanut gallery

Name one?

No, i'm not interested in this pointless debate... I work with many leaders in my community and have met some very stand up people that do great work for our people. I have respect for those in that position.

I also recognize the massive corruption in our political system and am all for accountability and reform. This doesn't go for everybody but for some.

 

[bripat9643]

Just curious, if Trump supporters understand why there is such strong distain and opposition for Donald Trump from so many Americans. Thoughts?

The press concentrates on attacking Trump and ignores the scandals that belong to hilary........it is as simple as that....if hilary was covered the way any Republican was covered...she would never have been elected to anything....

What has she done thats been ignored?

The list is endless. How much time do the major networks devote to covering the Wikileaks releases?

of the majors I watch Fox and CNN... Both cover the exact same story's in each hour news program. Wiki Leaks is brought up on almost a daily basis. The reason why the majority of time goes to Trumps BS is because he is spouting of about it on a daily basis. Guaranteed if Hillary jumped up and said that Assange was a disgusting terrorist, liar spreading false info and she is going to sue him... Then it would get covered more often. The difference is she knows how to put water on the fire and Trump seems to only know how to pour gas on it.

Bullshit.If the Wikileaks papers were about Donald Trump, the networks would be covering it 24 hours a day.

 

[Norman]

Politicians will never manage our debt responsibly. All their incentives run in the opposite direction. They win by spending like there's no tomorrow and kicking the can down the road. Cutting spending is the road to electoral defeat.

So just how do you propose to accomplish this fantasy of managing the debt responsibly?

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

There's never been a career politician that's been responsible… Fact

So says the peanut gallery

Name one?

No, i'm not interested in this pointless debate... I work with many leaders in my community and have met some very stand up people that do great work for our people. I have respect for those in that position.

I also recognize the massive corruption in our political system and am all for accountability and reform. This doesn't go for everybody but for some.

What a deflection...

 

[Rustic]

Politicians will never manage our debt responsibly. All their incentives run in the opposite direction. They win by spending like there's no tomorrow and kicking the can down the road. Cutting spending is the road to electoral defeat.

So just how do you propose to accomplish this fantasy of managing the debt responsibly?

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

There's never been a career politician that's been responsible… Fact

So says the peanut gallery

Name one?

No, i'm not interested in this pointless debate... I work with many leaders in my community and have met some very stand up people that do great work for our people. I have respect for those in that position.

I also recognize the massive corruption in our political system and am all for accountability and reform. This doesn't go for everybody but for some.

Career politicians are the lowest of life forms.... fact

 

[bripat9643]

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

There's never been a career politician that's been responsible… Fact

So says the peanut gallery

Name one?

No, i'm not interested in this pointless debate... I work with many leaders in my community and have met some very stand up people that do great work for our people. I have respect for those in that position.

I also recognize the massive corruption in our political system and am all for accountability and reform. This doesn't go for everybody but for some.

What a deflection...

A "pointless debate" is one he knows he can't win.

Professional politicians are almost all the lowest kind of vermin. I've never met one I didn't want to piss on.

 

[Freewill]

Just curious, if Trump supporters understand why there is such strong distain and opposition for Donald Trump from so many Americans. Thoughts?

Nope, I don't understand. Hillary calls women bimbos and tries to destroy them. Hillary gets insider trader information and make 100,000. Hillary calls blacks super predators. Hillary voted for and supported the Iraq war. Hillary supported NAFTA and supports TPP. Hillary said that a person has to say two different things, one in private and one in public. Hillary is married to a serial rapist, accused. Hillary is an Washington insider.

Now, does those who support Hillary know that opposition pretty much hate her with a searing passion? I think they do and they love it. Nothing the left likes better than forcing the minority opinion on the majority.

I imagine it is a tough debate for Hillary supporters to talk to people like you. I don't like Hillary or Trump but as a somewhat objective observer I can clearly see a biased and misrepresentation of both Hillary's history and of her policy views. It is a cheap tactic to make your argument sound stronger but most free thinkers can see right through the bullshit.

Name what I misrepresented.

 

[Freewill]

I'm not a Trump supporter but I do understand the opposition so many have for him. I have to wonder do Clinton supporters truly understand why there is so much opposition to her as well?

Good question, I'm not a fan of either candidate and wanted to go with a fiscal conservative, anti corruption candidate this year... after being stuck with these two it is a very hard situation but there is just no way that I can support a guy like Trump for president. He is just completely full of shit.

I don't make excuses for Hillary. I think she is shady and secretive and calculated and likes to pull strings behind the scenes. I completely understand why this makes people nervous as we want a president that we can trust.

But I don't think she is a criminal and think many of her actions and words are wildly distorted by the Trump campaign. It's happening on both sides, I it's much worse on the trump side as he flat out lies in almost every speech he gives

Clinton's will divide the country even more than Barry did, that's why the country should be split up.

It takes two to tango. The reps were just as responsible as Obama for the divide. Hillary has better relationships in government and the best chance to bring the parties closer together.

Wrong. The left have been galloping further to the left and claiming the right is causing division. Failure to go along with them is outright rebellion. Liberals think and act like children.

So I guess when the Reps decided to sit on their hands and not recognize Obamas Supreme Court nominee, they were acting like responsible grown ups? I think not... Flip the script and if Dems would have done this to a Republican president you would be throwing and absolute hissy fit.

The Democrats would have done exactly the same thing. Waiting for the next president to make a decision that will last 30 years actually makes sense. Besides, Obama or Hillary are not the people I want choosing the nominations.

 

[Slade3200]

Just curious, if Trump supporters understand why there is such strong distain and opposition for Donald Trump from so many Americans. Thoughts?

The press concentrates on attacking Trump and ignores the scandals that belong to hilary........it is as simple as that....if hilary was covered the way any Republican was covered...she would never have been elected to anything....

What has she done thats been ignored?

The list is endless. How much time do the major networks devote to covering the Wikileaks releases?

of the majors I watch Fox and CNN... Both cover the exact same story's in each hour news program. Wiki Leaks is brought up on almost a daily basis. The reason why the majority of time goes to Trumps BS is because he is spouting of about it on a daily basis. Guaranteed if Hillary jumped up and said that Assange was a disgusting terrorist, liar spreading false info and she is going to sue him... Then it would get covered more often. The difference is she knows how to put water on the fire and Trump seems to only know how to pour gas on it.

Bullshit.If the Wikileaks papers were about Donald Trump, the networks would be covering it 24 hours a day.

Yeah because Trump would be threatening to sue Wikileaks and talking about it none stop

 

[Slade3200]

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

There's never been a career politician that's been responsible… Fact

So says the peanut gallery

Name one?

No, i'm not interested in this pointless debate... I work with many leaders in my community and have met some very stand up people that do great work for our people. I have respect for those in that position.

I also recognize the massive corruption in our political system and am all for accountability and reform. This doesn't go for everybody but for some.

Career politicians are the lowest of life forms.... fact

Then don't vote for them

 

[Asclepias]

Good question, I'm not a fan of either candidate and wanted to go with a fiscal conservative, anti corruption candidate this year... after being stuck with these two it is a very hard situation but there is just no way that I can support a guy like Trump for president. He is just completely full of shit.

I don't make excuses for Hillary. I think she is shady and secretive and calculated and likes to pull strings behind the scenes. I completely understand why this makes people nervous as we want a president that we can trust.

But I don't think she is a criminal and think many of her actions and words are wildly distorted by the Trump campaign. It's happening on both sides, I it's much worse on the trump side as he flat out lies in almost every speech he gives

Clinton's will divide the country even more than Barry did, that's why the country should be split up.

It takes two to tango. The reps were just as responsible as Obama for the divide. Hillary has better relationships in government and the best chance to bring the parties closer together.

Wrong. The left have been galloping further to the left and claiming the right is causing division. Failure to go along with them is outright rebellion. Liberals think and act like children.

So I guess when the Reps decided to sit on their hands and not recognize Obamas Supreme Court nominee, they were acting like responsible grown ups? I think not... Flip the script and if Dems would have done this to a Republican president you would be throwing and absolute hissy fit.

The Democrats would have done exactly the same thing. Waiting for the next president to make a decision that will last 30 years actually makes sense. Besides, Obama or Hillary are not the people I want choosing the nominations.

Not really up to you to determine this. Its up to the majority.

 

[Asclepias]

There's never been a career politician that's been responsible… Fact

So says the peanut gallery

Name one?

No, i'm not interested in this pointless debate... I work with many leaders in my community and have met some very stand up people that do great work for our people. I have respect for those in that position.

I also recognize the massive corruption in our political system and am all for accountability and reform. This doesn't go for everybody but for some.

Career politicians are the lowest of life forms.... fact

Then don't vote for them

He wants to whine about how other people vote if they reject his opinion.

 

[Slade3200]

Just curious, if Trump supporters understand why there is such strong distain and opposition for Donald Trump from so many Americans. Thoughts?

Nope, I don't understand. Hillary calls women bimbos and tries to destroy them. Hillary gets insider trader information and make 100,000. Hillary calls blacks super predators. Hillary voted for and supported the Iraq war. Hillary supported NAFTA and supports TPP. Hillary said that a person has to say two different things, one in private and one in public. Hillary is married to a serial rapist, accused. Hillary is an Washington insider.

Now, does those who support Hillary know that opposition pretty much hate her with a searing passion? I think they do and they love it. Nothing the left likes better than forcing the minority opinion on the majority.

I imagine it is a tough debate for Hillary supporters to talk to people like you. I don't like Hillary or Trump but as a somewhat objective observer I can clearly see a biased and misrepresentation of both Hillary's history and of her policy views. It is a cheap tactic to make your argument sound stronger but most free thinkers can see right through the bullshit.

Name what I misrepresented.

You actually did pretty good after the first two lines when I stopped reading on my first read.

She didn't call all women bimbos she called two that were accusing her husband of sexual abuse after saying otherwise under oath.

And she didn't call all blacks super predators, she was referring to gang leaders who commit violent crimes.

The left did the same thing to Trump with he Mexican rapist comment.

See when you use distorted manipulated jabs in your conversations people tend to not listen

 

[Slade3200]

There's never been a career politician that's been responsible… Fact

So says the peanut gallery

Name one?

No, i'm not interested in this pointless debate... I work with many leaders in my community and have met some very stand up people that do great work for our people. I have respect for those in that position.

I also recognize the massive corruption in our political system and am all for accountability and reform. This doesn't go for everybody but for some.

What a deflection...

A "pointless debate" is one he knows he can't win.

Professional politicians are almost all the lowest kind of vermin. I've never met one I didn't want to piss on.

True, I don't know many career politicians off the top of my head and I'm not interested in reading biographys to engage in this off topic debate with you

 

[Slade3200]

Your understanding of economics is elementary.... Go study up and stop regurgitating the propaganda.

Running the economy of the way this federal government is - is like the grasshopper not the ant.
It's absolutely ridiculously elementary to think that the government can run the economy the way it has and sustain civilization.
No reason for all of this debt - this debt cannot be paid its far too large, there is enough money/resources in the world pay this debt...
It's childish thinking socialism can ever work for the good...

Do you realize that the national debt is not a credit card bill right? If we just paid it all of next week and eliminated treasury bonds from the market (one of the most stable of investments) it would crash our economy.

The Debt isn't something that needs to be paid off, it is something that needs to be managed. I do agree it needs to be better managed and there is a ton of fat that can be trimmed in our government programs. You don't seem to really understand the difference between our national debt and a personal debt. I suggest doing some reading... Here's something to start with:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/06/public-debt

Politicians will never manage our debt responsibly. All their incentives run in the opposite direction. They win by spending like there's no tomorrow and kicking the can down the road. Cutting spending is the road to electoral defeat.

So just how do you propose to accomplish this fantasy of managing the debt responsibly?

I'd like to see a smart business man/woman in the white house (somebody who can carry themselves like a respectable adult, which Trump can not, so he's out) or at the very least have a bipartisan committee made up of successful business people and economists developing the budget and presenting innovative ideas for fiscal policy

How are you going to get a bunch of career politicians in Congress vote to cut spending? It simply can't be done.

Offer them candy

 

[Slade3200]

Good question, I'm not a fan of either candidate and wanted to go with a fiscal conservative, anti corruption candidate this year... after being stuck with these two it is a very hard situation but there is just no way that I can support a guy like Trump for president. He is just completely full of shit.

I don't make excuses for Hillary. I think she is shady and secretive and calculated and likes to pull strings behind the scenes. I completely understand why this makes people nervous as we want a president that we can trust.

But I don't think she is a criminal and think many of her actions and words are wildly distorted by the Trump campaign. It's happening on both sides, I it's much worse on the trump side as he flat out lies in almost every speech he gives

Clinton's will divide the country even more than Barry did, that's why the country should be split up.

It takes two to tango. The reps were just as responsible as Obama for the divide. Hillary has better relationships in government and the best chance to bring the parties closer together.

Wrong. The left have been galloping further to the left and claiming the right is causing division. Failure to go along with them is outright rebellion. Liberals think and act like children.

So I guess when the Reps decided to sit on their hands and not recognize Obamas Supreme Court nominee, they were acting like responsible grown ups? I think not... Flip the script and if Dems would have done this to a Republican president you would be throwing and absolute hissy fit.

The Democrats would have done exactly the same thing. Waiting for the next president to make a decision that will last 30 years actually makes sense. Besides, Obama or Hillary are not the people I want choosing the nominations.

I'll ask again, How would you have felt if the same thing happened to a republican administration?

 

[oreo]

Just curious, if Trump supporters understand why there is such strong distain and opposition for Donald Trump from so many Americans. Thoughts?

I've had conversations with a few of his fans who simply won't admit any of his faults or weaknesses.

There's no way to know if they're being obtuse or if their fanaticism has simply blinded them to the obvious.
.

This fanaticism started long ago. Reich wing talk radio, that has filled their audiences with 3 or more daily hours of Reich wing hyperbole, half truths and enough conspiracy theories to fill the capital building from floor to ceiling. This bigotry, misogyny, extremisim and hate of Hillary Clinton has been spoon fed to them for 2 decades now. Reich wing talk show hosts, over the last several years, then turned their attacks onto moderate republicans, aka the majority of the Republican party (Reaganites) and their group of listeners followed with attacks calling them "establishment, rino's etc., which was very effective at shattering the Republican party into pieces. Tea Party politicians played paddy feet with them over last several years, to get their support and donations. Lying to them in many instances, and only telling them what they wanted to hear. Basically throwing gasoline onto the fire. Then the right wing infiltrated election precincts, and took over the reins of the Republican Party.

They were brainwashed long ago into believing that there was only one "fair and balanced" news station FOX NEWS--and the only reading they do or trust comes from Tabloids like Briebart and the Drudge report. New York times, or any other news source is completely ignored, because in their minds it is biased and can't be trusted. IOW-If it didn't come out of a right wing talk show hosts mouth, or other strictly approved conservative news sources, it is not to be believed. They won't believe it. No matter how many verifiable source links you show to them to prove a point, they will not budge in their beliefs that Donald Trump is the only one that can save this country. Even though the majority, including Republicans in this country look at Donald Trump as the most incompetent, unqualified, dangerous candidate in this nation's history. This is the end effect of them living in a right wing media bubble for two decades. Here's a couple of articles regarding the damage right wing talk show hosts have done to the party. Very interesting articles.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media
Caller to Limbaugh Show Exposes That Rush Knows He Blew It with Donald Trump

All of this has resulted in the Dunning-Kruger effect. Basically people that are so politically ignorant they don't know they're ignorant. This is the typical Trump supporter's brain as also explained in this article.
A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains

Here's their favorite talk show host, after a caller was able to sneak onto his program and corner him.



All in the name of ratings and those obscene profit breaks

It's very possible that FOX NEWS and the right wing talk show hosts and their guests whom have endorsed, supported and defended Donald Trump won't survive after this election slaughter.
But WHY is CNN crushing Fox News in the ratings? | RedState

We saw it during the primaries--these people were warned over and over again, and they ignored every single warning. A true but funny article.
All Along I Thought Trump Wasn’t a Conservative/Republican, But Now I Realize I’m Not

The "Never Trumpers" are going to burn this barn down to the ground. They've had enough of the Reich wing, and are even talking about forming their own separate party to get back to the party of Lincoln & Reagan. Whether the Republican party will survive after this is still unknown.
#NeverTrump: We Told You He Would Kill Us, but You Didn’t Listen

 

[AZGAL]

There is more disdain for having a corrupt politician create an even bigger corruption of the US.

 

[Slade3200]

There is more disdain for having a corrupt politician create an even bigger corruption of the US.

I completely understand and appreciate that. I just don't see Trump as any less corrupt as Clinton. I think he is worse in many aspects