Do you agree that pre-born humans are NOT entitled to any rights or even the right to live?

[Slade3200]

The just born are 100% dependent so it must be OK to kill them right?

Lol I'm going by science. Not by you guys emotions.
I meant things like breathing.
Even the bible states adam wasnt a man until he took his first breath

So what level of independence is needed for you to define a person?

And during the later periods of gestation the fetus, baby, whatever breathes amniotic fluid

Once again the world is not black and white and the Bible is not a scientific reference book.

At what point does the fetus become a baby?

There are other distinct stages of development from when the sperm and egg form a zygote so why not a distinction as to when a fetus become a baby?

IMO viability outside the womb becomes a factor and our current level of techno;ogy should be considered in that determination.

There is a vast difference between the developmental stages of very early pregnancy and later pregnancy so to say that there is no difference one minute before birth from 1 minute after the egg is fertilized is ridiculous

it becomes a life at the moment of conception,,,

if it is life at conception the. What’s the difference between the morning after pill, which I’ve heard you promote, and a medical abortion?

go educate yourself and get back to me,,,

ok done. I’m back. Morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall. The fertilized egg is conception which is life from what you’ve said. So please explain the difference

 

[progressive hunter]

so do you agree or not??

No of course I don’t agree with that nonsense

can you explain why??

Yes, because rape is a traumatic experience and I would never tell a victim of rape that they will be punished if they don’t immediately take an abortion pill or report to the police. I think it’s fine to promote those things and make them easily available but in no way would I make it a requirement.

Now my question to you... do you have any first hand experience with rape victims?

when did I say it was a requirement???

its the logical thing to do,,,just like calling the cops and having the person arrested that committed the crime,,,

yes I have been raped,,,

Ok, it’s not a requirement but it’s the logical thing to do. So what does that even mean?

I’m sorry to hear that you were raped... did you go right to the police?

if you dont understand how thats logical then I cant help you,,,


I was waiting for them to do it again and the cops would have got in the way,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Lol I'm going by science. Not by you guys emotions.
I meant things like breathing.
Even the bible states adam wasnt a man until he took his first breath

So what level of independence is needed for you to define a person?

And during the later periods of gestation the fetus, baby, whatever breathes amniotic fluid

Once again the world is not black and white and the Bible is not a scientific reference book.

At what point does the fetus become a baby?

There are other distinct stages of development from when the sperm and egg form a zygote so why not a distinction as to when a fetus become a baby?

IMO viability outside the womb becomes a factor and our current level of techno;ogy should be considered in that determination.

There is a vast difference between the developmental stages of very early pregnancy and later pregnancy so to say that there is no difference one minute before birth from 1 minute after the egg is fertilized is ridiculous

it becomes a life at the moment of conception,,,

if it is life at conception the. What’s the difference between the morning after pill, which I’ve heard you promote, and a medical abortion?

go educate yourself and get back to me,,,

ok done. I’m back. Morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall. The fertilized egg is conception which is life from what you’ve said. So please explain the difference

its called a compromise,,,

 

[Slade3200]

No of course I don’t agree with that nonsense

can you explain why??

Yes, because rape is a traumatic experience and I would never tell a victim of rape that they will be punished if they don’t immediately take an abortion pill or report to the police. I think it’s fine to promote those things and make them easily available but in no way would I make it a requirement.

Now my question to you... do you have any first hand experience with rape victims?

when did I say it was a requirement???

its the logical thing to do,,,just like calling the cops and having the person arrested that committed the crime,,,

yes I have been raped,,,

Ok, it’s not a requirement but it’s the logical thing to do. So what does that even mean?

I’m sorry to hear that you were raped... did you go right to the police?

if you dont understand how thats logical then I cant help you,,,


I was waiting for them to do it again and the cops would have got in the way,,,

So that’s a no? You didn’t report it to the police yet you expect others to?

 

[Slade3200]

So what level of independence is needed for you to define a person?

And during the later periods of gestation the fetus, baby, whatever breathes amniotic fluid

Once again the world is not black and white and the Bible is not a scientific reference book.

At what point does the fetus become a baby?

There are other distinct stages of development from when the sperm and egg form a zygote so why not a distinction as to when a fetus become a baby?

IMO viability outside the womb becomes a factor and our current level of techno;ogy should be considered in that determination.

There is a vast difference between the developmental stages of very early pregnancy and later pregnancy so to say that there is no difference one minute before birth from 1 minute after the egg is fertilized is ridiculous

it becomes a life at the moment of conception,,,

if it is life at conception the. What’s the difference between the morning after pill, which I’ve heard you promote, and a medical abortion?

go educate yourself and get back to me,,,

ok done. I’m back. Morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall. The fertilized egg is conception which is life from what you’ve said. So please explain the difference

its called a compromise,,,

You’d compromise by allowing the murder of a baby? That shows you have pretty weak principles

 

[progressive hunter]

it becomes a life at the moment of conception,,,

if it is life at conception the. What’s the difference between the morning after pill, which I’ve heard you promote, and a medical abortion?

go educate yourself and get back to me,,,

ok done. I’m back. Morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall. The fertilized egg is conception which is life from what you’ve said. So please explain the difference

its called a compromise,,,

You’d compromise by allowing the murder of a baby? That shows you have pretty weak principles

so you admit its the murder of a baby,,,now we are getting somewhere,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

can you explain why??

Yes, because rape is a traumatic experience and I would never tell a victim of rape that they will be punished if they don’t immediately take an abortion pill or report to the police. I think it’s fine to promote those things and make them easily available but in no way would I make it a requirement.

Now my question to you... do you have any first hand experience with rape victims?

when did I say it was a requirement???

its the logical thing to do,,,just like calling the cops and having the person arrested that committed the crime,,,

yes I have been raped,,,

Ok, it’s not a requirement but it’s the logical thing to do. So what does that even mean?

I’m sorry to hear that you were raped... did you go right to the police?

if you dont understand how thats logical then I cant help you,,,


I was waiting for them to do it again and the cops would have got in the way,,,

So that’s a no? You didn’t report it to the police yet you expect others to?

in my case I enjoyed it and was hoping for another go at it since I was drunk and couldnt remember the names of the girls

are you saying they shouldnt??

 

[Blues Man]

I disagree with that. It becomes a potential life. The question is when is that potential realized?

at conception,,,

I disagree.

medically and scientifically speaking life begins at conception

While the zygote is genetically unique it is not more than a potential human being.

I never said it was more than a potential life,,,

at the time of conception it begins its life and starts its growth into its full form ,,,unless a catastrophic event happens or someone kills it,,,

It doesn't take a catastrophic event for a spontaneous miscarriage.

 

[progressive hunter]

at conception,,,

I disagree.

medically and scientifically speaking life begins at conception

While the zygote is genetically unique it is not more than a potential human being.

I never said it was more than a potential life,,,

at the time of conception it begins its life and starts its growth into its full form ,,,unless a catastrophic event happens or someone kills it,,,

It doesn't take a catastrophic event for a spontaneous miscarriage.

that is a catastrophic event dumbass

 

[Blues Man]

I disagree.

medically and scientifically speaking life begins at conception

While the zygote is genetically unique it is not more than a potential human being.

I never said it was more than a potential life,,,

at the time of conception it begins its life and starts its growth into its full form ,,,unless a catastrophic event happens or someone kills it,,,

It doesn't take a catastrophic event for a spontaneous miscarriage.

that is a catastrophic event dumbass

No it's natural selection.

A spontaneous miscarriage indicates some sort of problem with the embryo which is why I say that a zygote is not a human but rather a potential human

Weeks zero to six have the highest probability of miscarriage in all women and that risk rises with age.

These are not catastrophic events

 

[progressive hunter]

medically and scientifically speaking life begins at conception

While the zygote is genetically unique it is not more than a potential human being.

I never said it was more than a potential life,,,

at the time of conception it begins its life and starts its growth into its full form ,,,unless a catastrophic event happens or someone kills it,,,

It doesn't take a catastrophic event for a spontaneous miscarriage.

that is a catastrophic event dumbass

No it's natural selection.

A spontaneous miscarriage indicates some sort of problem with the embryo which is why I say that a zygote is not a human but rather a potential human

Weeks zero to six have the highest probability of miscarriage in all women and that risk rises with age.

These are not catastrophic events

tell that to the mother that just lost her child,,,

 

[Hum Dinger]

A person is simply human being. (Even the dictionary will tell you that.)

It is an undeniable scientific fact that the pre-born baby is a human being, with a unique set of DNA from the start. An individual person who has never existed before and never will again.

So to add on all sorts of extra qualifications to deny the humanity of an innocent person is either ignorant or immoral, take your pick.

I dont think they are a person. They are not an individual.
I bet you had scrambled chicken this morning too huh?

What you THINK doesn’t matter. As I stated, a person is simply a human being, and it is a scientific FACT that the pre-born baby is a human being, simply in a different stage of life than you and me.

Your analogy is silly, because the eggs that people eat are unfertilized eggs, so to try to equate that with an embryo or fetus is asinine, as obviously fertilization already took place or else the baby wouldn’t exist. And since you asked, no, I don’t eat eggs or scrambled chicken, I’m a vegan. ​

Them being an individual isnt subjective.
Not everyone buys their eggs at the store. So no it isnt asinine. It was a perfectly acceptable analogy.
I didnt say they weren't humans. I said they were not a person. A person implies independence. Individuality.
Different words, my dear. Different meanings.

Being a person does not require independence.

Unique DNA proves individuality.

The definition of person is an individual.
The definition of an individual is seperate.
Hmmm let's thinks about what I just posted and what happens during gestation..
Please, hold your applause!

There is nothing that requires an individual to be 'separate'.

 

[Slade3200]

if it is life at conception the. What’s the difference between the morning after pill, which I’ve heard you promote, and a medical abortion?

go educate yourself and get back to me,,,

ok done. I’m back. Morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall. The fertilized egg is conception which is life from what you’ve said. So please explain the difference

its called a compromise,,,

You’d compromise by allowing the murder of a baby? That shows you have pretty weak principles

so you admit its the murder of a baby,,,now we are getting somewhere,,,

I’m using your logic to question your principles. They don’t seem very strong

 

[Slade3200]

Yes, because rape is a traumatic experience and I would never tell a victim of rape that they will be punished if they don’t immediately take an abortion pill or report to the police. I think it’s fine to promote those things and make them easily available but in no way would I make it a requirement.

Now my question to you... do you have any first hand experience with rape victims?

when did I say it was a requirement???

its the logical thing to do,,,just like calling the cops and having the person arrested that committed the crime,,,

yes I have been raped,,,

Ok, it’s not a requirement but it’s the logical thing to do. So what does that even mean?

I’m sorry to hear that you were raped... did you go right to the police?

if you dont understand how thats logical then I cant help you,,,


I was waiting for them to do it again and the cops would have got in the way,,,

So that’s a no? You didn’t report it to the police yet you expect others to?

in my case I enjoyed it and was hoping for another go at it since I was drunk and couldnt remember the names of the girls

are you saying they shouldnt??

Am I saying they shouldn’t what?

 

[progressive hunter]

go educate yourself and get back to me,,,

ok done. I’m back. Morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall. The fertilized egg is conception which is life from what you’ve said. So please explain the difference

its called a compromise,,,

You’d compromise by allowing the murder of a baby? That shows you have pretty weak principles

so you admit its the murder of a baby,,,now we are getting somewhere,,,

I’m using your logic to question your principles. They don’t seem very strong

how so??

 

[progressive hunter]

when did I say it was a requirement???

its the logical thing to do,,,just like calling the cops and having the person arrested that committed the crime,,,

yes I have been raped,,,

Ok, it’s not a requirement but it’s the logical thing to do. So what does that even mean?

I’m sorry to hear that you were raped... did you go right to the police?

if you dont understand how thats logical then I cant help you,,,


I was waiting for them to do it again and the cops would have got in the way,,,

So that’s a no? You didn’t report it to the police yet you expect others to?

in my case I enjoyed it and was hoping for another go at it since I was drunk and couldnt remember the names of the girls

are you saying they shouldnt??

Am I saying they shouldn’t what?

call the cops

 

[Unkotare]

On a second thought about rape,,
she knows when she was raped so its no problem at that time to get the morning after pill,,,problem solved,,,OH and I would hope she also calls the cops,,,

this post right here that you made shows how completely out of touch you are. The fact that you came up with that “after further thought” is just the cherry on top

so do you agree or not??

No of course I don’t agree with that nonsense

can you explain why??

Yes, because rape is a traumatic experience ...

So is being brutally killed.

 

[Blues Man]

While the zygote is genetically unique it is not more than a potential human being.

I never said it was more than a potential life,,,

at the time of conception it begins its life and starts its growth into its full form ,,,unless a catastrophic event happens or someone kills it,,,

It doesn't take a catastrophic event for a spontaneous miscarriage.

that is a catastrophic event dumbass

No it's natural selection.

A spontaneous miscarriage indicates some sort of problem with the embryo which is why I say that a zygote is not a human but rather a potential human

Weeks zero to six have the highest probability of miscarriage in all women and that risk rises with age.

These are not catastrophic events

tell that to the mother that just lost her child,,,

it's not a child in the first trimester.

 

[sparky]

Arizona 'pro-life' bill promises a gun for every unborn child
As Republicans, we understand that redefining a fetus as a person will not stop it from being killed. Only one thing stops unlawful killing, and that’s concealed carry. With this in mind, the new law mandates every unborn person in Arizona will be issued his or her own handgun,

<<<<<snip>>>>>

Both Glock and Smith and Wesson have already begun manufacturing new miniature .38 Special handguns—available in both pink and blue—designed to be compatible with the Arizona initiative.

~S~

 

[K9Buck]

it's not a child in the first trimester.

It's a human life.