Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

[Daryl Hunt]

I advocate "Common Sense Gun Regulations" and the State of Colorado is very near to that point. It only has one more to go to reach that and that should happen some time this year. Does that make me a socialists? Does that make me a Communist? Am I advocating that we come and confiscate all your guns?

Well I might advocate confiscating all your guns if you become a liability and direct safety to the public. And then, only your guns, not anyone elses. That is the last piece of law that will go into affect this year. Do the guns laws here keep me from walking in and purchasing a gun in about 15 minutes if I want one? Does it limit me to buying 500 rounds of ammo at a time once a week? Do I need to have special licenses and regulations to own, possess, transport, etc. the guns? Am I required to Register myself for anything other than weapons on the 1934 Firearms Act? The answer is No to all of these. I can have the gun or my choice to protect my home, I can have the gun of my choice for hunting, I can ...... That list goes on and on. You keep telling me that I should feel threatened. Funny, I don't feel threatened. Well, I do feel a little threatened by you so I guess I need to stay armed just in case. Never know when some people with some strange ideas may feel the need to do something really stupid.

Quote: "Well, I do feel a little threatened by you..."​

Daryl, mudwhistle happens to support the US Constitution and is the best of good American men. He is also a gifted defender of Constitutional rights, and he will not allow experimentalists in the DNC destroy the very realistic world we live in. You'll never out-think Mr. mudwhistle, nor realize what a debate truly is if you keep up irrational feelings that lack merit of any kind. Toodles.

I can tell I won this round. I hit quite a sore spot. Does it make you want to field strip your weapons? Doesn't do a thing for me.

I think you've lost. You said that if I (or anyone else) becomes a threat to you....you will come and get my guns.
But what do you consider to be a threat to you today? Will it change when some media outlet decides to change your mind?
Is being White a threat to you?
Is being a Christian a threat to you?
Is being an American who loves his country a threat to you?
If not, how easily will the left change your mind and create some fear or rage against me and anyone like me?
You appear to be more afraid of the lawful than the unlawful....for gun laws only effect those who abide by the law.

No, YOU are saying that if anyone becomes a threat to me that I will come and get your guns. You leave out some pretty good qualifiers so that you can lie your way out of it. As always, you say what I think. Wow, that's one pretty good crystal ball you have there. Does it come in Chartrus? You lost in the courts. You lost in the legaslatives, you lost at the ballots. Let's face it, you are one lost puppy. So keep lying and we keep doing our thing as a majority making things safe for us. If you end up being safer in the process then we really don't care. But if you become a danger, we do care and will legally react to you. But you will continue to lose because you are a loser and a liar. And work on those debating skills.

Yeah. Debating skills.
Trying to win a battle of wits with you is like fighting an unarmed man.
You are so transparent it's ridiculous.
You spell out exactly what you plan on doing and when I tell it to you in practical terms what you're saying you tell me I'm a liar.
I'm not living in that fantasy you live in. I live in the real world.
I remember the days when people like you were extremely rare, but unfortunately the left seems to breed them or manufacture them.
Silly, gullible, airheads that want to live like a bunch of sheep.

There are a couple of problems in your "Thesis". I am not a liberal. Never have been. I am actually an old time Eisenhower era Progressive Conservative. My views are from the days that the Republican Party was really Great and did Great things for the Country and didn't play party politics. I am not anti-gun since I own guns and have never advocated gun harvesting. There are a lot of other things you are just plain wrong about or are just making shit up as you go. But that is what you idjits do these days. You cloud the issues with your BS hoping that we will not notice the real issues and pay attention to your BS and accept it as truth. Well, cupcake, that works less and less each day. So go ahead, keep spewing. And keep losing.

 

[August West]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

You had a direction to start this OP.

I disagreed with it, but at least you were headed in a viable direction.

Then you lost focus.

Here, maybe this will help.

The more guns, the better.

We can only shoot one at a time, so you are worried about nothing on the number of guns we have.

And you should be glad we have as big and as bad ass weapons as we do.

The 2nd Amendment is, among other things, a hedge against tyranny.

Imagine what could possibly happen to a disarmed -- or a lesser armed or an under armed -- citizenry if a President (Insert name here,) had or was to have an urge to become a real life dictator.

You hate Trump?

Imagine not having lots of bad assed weapons to deter his ambitions if he woke up and wanted to become King.

Imagine not having lots of bad assed weapons to deter the ambitions of a President Hillary Clinton if she somehow succeeded in deposing DJT and soon after being sworn in she woke up and wanted to become Queen.

The 2nd Amendment gives us recourse.

Tell us when human nature becomes antiquated and out of date.

That is when I will give another moments thought to the 2nd Amendment, which exists to protect us from human nature.

Give some people the power to make us all subjects and they will try to do so.

Obama tried it and all he could manage was politicizing every department of the Federal government.

Just think if there had been no 2A!

Remember when he bought billions and billions of rounds of ammo for the Federal government?

He caused a months long shortage on the civilian market for all calibers of ammo.

And it is my belief he must have thought about preparing the govt. to go to war on the patriots who were going to stand up for our rights if he succeeded in trying a full blown power grab.

Liberals are NOTORIOUS for not thinking past their imnediate objective.

It is a built in handicap most of them share.

They only think about the problem of stopping random mass shootings.

But those casualty rates would be dwarfed by the numbers of patriots and Liberals who would be killed trying to regain sovereignty of our government (or help the Usurper in Chief) in case a would-be despot tried to take advantage of our disarmed state by seizing all govt power and becoming a dictator.

A terrible war would break out and millions would die.

Liberals cant imagine a guy like Obama trying anything like that. But they can imagine Trump doing it, I'd bet.

But human nature does not change.

The 2nd Amendment is our last line of defense against dictatorship and should never be made less potent to stop random mass shootings unless we would court a much worse destiny brought on by Liberal short sightedness.

The 2nd Amendment gives us recourse.

The Walmart militia vs. the U.S. govt`s war machine. Where can I place my bet? An unseen drone will drop a bomb down your chimney and blow bits and pieces of hillbillies all over the neighborhood.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

You had a direction to start this OP.

I disagreed with it, but at least you were headed in a viable direction.

Then you lost focus.

Here, maybe this will help.

The more guns, the better.

We can only shoot one at a time, so you are worried about nothing on the number of guns we have.

And you should be glad we have as big and as bad ass weapons as we do.

The 2nd Amendment is, among other things, a hedge against tyranny.

Imagine what could possibly happen to a disarmed -- or a lesser armed or an under armed -- citizenry if a President (Insert name here,) had or was to have an urge to become a real life dictator.

You hate Trump?

Imagine not having lots of bad assed weapons to deter his ambitions if he woke up and wanted to become King.

Imagine not having lots of bad assed weapons to deter the ambitions of a President Hillary Clinton if she somehow succeeded in deposing DJT and soon after being sworn in she woke up and wanted to become Queen.

The 2nd Amendment gives us recourse.

Tell us when human nature becomes antiquated and out of date.

That is when I will give another moments thought to the 2nd Amendment, which exists to protect us from human nature.

Give some people the power to make us all subjects and they will try to do so.

Obama tried it and all he could manage was politicizing every department of the Federal government.

Just think if there had been no 2A!

Remember when he bought billions and billions of rounds of ammo for the Federal government?

He caused a months long shortage on the civilian market for all calibers of ammo.

And it is my belief he must have thought about preparing the govt. to go to war on the patriots who were going to stand up for our rights if he succeeded in trying a full blown power grab.

Liberals are NOTORIOUS for not thinking past their imnediate objective.

It is a built in handicap most of them share.

They only think about the problem of stopping random mass shootings.

But those casualty rates would be dwarfed by the numbers of patriots and Liberals who would be killed trying to regain sovereignty of our government (or help the Usurper in Chief) in case a would-be despot tried to take advantage of our disarmed state by seizing all govt power and becoming a dictator.

A terrible war would break out and millions would die.

Liberals cant imagine a guy like Obama trying anything like that. But they can imagine Trump doing it, I'd bet.

But human nature does not change.

The 2nd Amendment is our last line of defense against dictatorship and should never be made less potent to stop random mass shootings unless we would court a much worse destiny brought on by Liberal short sightedness.

The 2nd Amendment gives us recourse.

The Walmart militia vs. the U.S. govt`s war machine. Where can I place my bet? An unseen drone will drop a bomb down your chimney and blow bits and pieces of hillbillies all over the neighborhood.

Just tell them everything is on sale. Can you imagine an attacking army of wildly dressed walmart shoppers coming over the hill with "SALE" in their blood lusted hearts. Just tell them there is a limited supply of scarfs at 20% off. They would tear the 82nd to shreds to get to that.

 

[danielpalos]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

No. I only notice how they are too lazy to muster but are willing to "blame the Poor" for wanting equal protection of the law regarding the legal concept of employment at will, not "muster and work so the rich can get richer".

 

[22lcidw]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

Oh really?

The problem with gun control is Socialists always take it too far.......just like they're taking abortion too far.

An unsurprisingly ignorant and ridiculous post.

‘Socialism’ has nothing to do with ‘gun control’ – this, and the reference to ‘abortion,’ is nothing more than inane demagoguery and a red herring fallacy.

And the courts determine when ‘gun control’ has gone ‘too far.’

The will of the people provides government the authority to regulate firearms consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

The courts determine if firearm regulatory measures are repugnant to that case law, and invalidate them accordingly.

Current firearm regulatory measures are consequently perfectly Constitutional, having not gone ‘too far’ until the courts rule otherwise, or the people see fit to repeal those measures through the political process.

Hogwash.
I'm sure once Socialism kicks in and everyone finds out the evils involved they will come for our guns......and the government will tell us what "THE PEOPLE" see fit to do to us through the courts.

And when is the exact date of that going to happen again? You are so sure of your prediction, I am sure you also have the exact date as well. Share it with us. It's been like that dude with the robes standing on the street corner with the sign, "The End is Near".

In most of your agendas you expanded them over and over because for a bit of success there is failure.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

Oh really?

The problem with gun control is Socialists always take it too far.......just like they're taking abortion too far.

I advocate "Common Sense Gun Regulations"

Your "common sense" may not be my common sense. Therefore, we apply the 2nd Amendment.

Wrong.

One applies Second Amendment case law – something you and most others on the right have nothing but contempt for.

Sorry, but case law and precedent have no authority to rewrite amendments.

 

[pismoe]

Quote: "Well, I do feel a little threatened by you..."​

Daryl, mudwhistle happens to support the US Constitution and is the best of good American men. He is also a gifted defender of Constitutional rights, and he will not allow experimentalists in the DNC destroy the very realistic world we live in. You'll never out-think Mr. mudwhistle, nor realize what a debate truly is if you keep up irrational feelings that lack merit of any kind. Toodles.

I can tell I won this round. I hit quite a sore spot. Does it make you want to field strip your weapons? Doesn't do a thing for me.

I think you've lost. You said that if I (or anyone else) becomes a threat to you....you will come and get my guns.
But what do you consider to be a threat to you today? Will it change when some media outlet decides to change your mind?
Is being White a threat to you?
Is being a Christian a threat to you?
Is being an American who loves his country a threat to you?
If not, how easily will the left change your mind and create some fear or rage against me and anyone like me?
You appear to be more afraid of the lawful than the unlawful....for gun laws only effect those who abide by the law.

No, YOU are saying that if anyone becomes a threat to me that I will come and get your guns. You leave out some pretty good qualifiers so that you can lie your way out of it. As always, you say what I think. Wow, that's one pretty good crystal ball you have there. Does it come in Chartrus? You lost in the courts. You lost in the legaslatives, you lost at the ballots. Let's face it, you are one lost puppy. So keep lying and we keep doing our thing as a majority making things safe for us. If you end up being safer in the process then we really don't care. But if you become a danger, we do care and will legally react to you. But you will continue to lose because you are a loser and a liar. And work on those debating skills.

Yeah. Debating skills.
Trying to win a battle of wits with you is like fighting an unarmed man.
You are so transparent it's ridiculous.
You spell out exactly what you plan on doing and when I tell it to you in practical terms what you're saying you tell me I'm a liar.
I'm not living in that fantasy you live in. I live in the real world.
I remember the days when people like you were extremely rare, but unfortunately the left seems to breed them or manufacture them.
Silly, gullible, airheads that want to live like a bunch of sheep.

There are a couple of problems in your "Thesis". I am not a liberal. Never have been. I am actually an old time Eisenhower era Progressive Conservative. My views are from the days that the Republican Party was really Great and did Great things for the Country and didn't play party politics. I am not anti-gun since I own guns and have never advocated gun harvesting. There are a lot of other things you are just plain wrong about or are just making shit up as you go. But that is what you idjits do these days. You cloud the issues with your BS hoping that we will not notice the real issues and pay attention to your BS and accept it as truth. Well, cupcake, that works less and less each day. So go ahead, keep spewing. And keep losing.

------------------------------------ PROGRESSIVE 'republican or 'bush' style conservative eh ?? Sounds liberal to me 'mr gun control' Daryl .

 

[progressive hunter]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

Oh really?

The problem with gun control is Socialists always take it too far.......just like they're taking abortion too far.

I advocate "Common Sense Gun Regulations"

Your "common sense" may not be my common sense. Therefore, we apply the 2nd Amendment.

Wrong.

One applies Second Amendment case law – something you and most others on the right have nothing but contempt for.

Sorry, but case law and precedent have no authority to rewrite amendments.

you just broke claytons heart and his reason for living

 

[pismoe]

Are they cool with the prospect of people open carrying fully automatic wherever they go? After all, it’s the second amendment! Why is this not a thing?! Surely at GOP conventions those tough republican politicians would feel safe with knowing any fucker carrying a weapon around them is allowed to. Republicans’ idea of limiting gun violence is more guns after all. More guns the better!

If they do draw the line at these scenarios, then don’t they see how ridiculous it is to say any from of gun control is unconstitutional? Who are republicans to arbitrarily decide what level of gun laws are acceptable but democrats can’t? Hell, even their St. Scalia said gun control measures were constitutional.

Do you notice how kids have freedom of speech? You may pretend they don’t because what they choose to say can be punished by an adult in charge, but adults can be punished for what they say as well by adults in charge. After all, you can lose your job if you find yourself catcalling that new hot intern everyday.

All that matters when it comes to the first amendment and kids is that they can’t be charged with a crime for their speech. Now all this being said, are toddlers being denied their bill of rights by not being able to carry a gun?

Oh really?

The problem with gun control is Socialists always take it too far.......just like they're taking abortion too far.

I advocate "Common Sense Gun Regulations"

Your "common sense" may not be my common sense. Therefore, we apply the 2nd Amendment.

Wrong.

One applies Second Amendment case law – something you and most others on the right have nothing but contempt for.

Sorry, but case law and precedent have no authority to rewrite amendments.

-------------------------------------- PRECEDENT and Case Law simply means following bad reasoning and then making laws or Precedents based on bad reasoning doesn't it ?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

This is discussed all the time, just not in your echo chamber. Btw this sword cuts both ways, gun ownership has been rising and gun laws on things like ARs have been reduced, yet gun crime drops. The Swiss are issued full autos and can walk around where they please with it on their shoulder, yet they are one of the safest countries on the planet. Those in your echo chamber have no response to this, which is why you never hear about it. You’re bringing up a topic that has been flushed out thousands of times on this message board, welcome to the party, everyone already left, but there might be some cold pizza left for you.

The Swiss do NOT allow full autos to be taken home. They only allow semi auto and bolt action to be signed out at the time of separation. And then only if you do the right paperwork. What is happening today, more and more are electing not to apply to take those weapons home with them. But there are abosutely NO full auto weapons allowed in a Civilians hands without some really hairy paperwork and background checks as well as Registrations.

Recent legislation that they were basically forced into by the EU. 2010 I believe it was. It was still the safest country then, nothing changed after. So there goes that argument.

You are talking about the Schengen Agreement signed in 2008. But it actually goes back to 1999 under the Amsterdam Treaty that Switzerland is a signatory. But all of these only have to do with Border Crossings, not gun control.

What you are leaving out is that the first 3 months (the only compulsory time period) all weapons trained on and used in the Swiss Military are all semi auto. No full auto or 3 shot burst weapons are allowed. These are the weapons that the separating Swiss that can qualify can take home AFTER they go through the regulation and background check procedure. These days, most don't bother. The number of guns in the Swiss Homes have been decreasing each year. It's been like this for decades. One of the reasons that gun violence has gone down in Switzerland is that the gun does not have the cult status that it does have in the US.

What you call “gun cult status”, which is just enjoying the sport of shooting, is still alive and well for the Swiss. It’s especially prevalent in the countryside. Sure less prevelant and declining in the cities, which is natural. But for many Swiss, shooting is more of a regular hobby than it is for probably most gun owners in america. Saying there’s no “gun cult”, whatever that is, is just an incorrect mischaracterization, and a silly argument even if there was some truth to it.

Gun crime has been declining worldwide. It’s been declining for the US as well, despite ownership and gun purchases rising. The trick is to look for the correlation BEFORE and AFTER gun control implementation. To which the correlation, if anything, points in the opposite direction. Switzerland was still essientially the safest place on the planet back when they were all issued full auto sigs.

The 2nd amendment is the decentralization of force. Governments, who are consistently the largest perpetrators of murder throughout human history (not to forget the only and consistent vessels of mass oppression), have a much harder time doing that when they do not have a monopoly of force. Things might seem fine and dandy now, but that’s a naive, short term view to hold.

Yet you deny all the other factors that are the real contributors to the decline. Yes, there are more guns but there aren't any more gun owners.

No one. I repeat - NO ONE has any clue as to how many guns or people who possess them currently exist in The United States.

 

[2aguy]

You know I’m right.

You have not considered why the 2nd Amendment was created.

How The Second Amendment Prevents Tyranny

The Second Amendment was supposed to protect us from government by dispersing its coercive power among the people. We still adhere to that system today.

By Robert Tracinski

How The Second Amendment Works To Prevent Tyranny

Wrong.

The purpose of the Second Amendment is to codify an individual right to possess a firearm pursuant to lawful self-defense, unconnected with militia service – not to act in the capacity of law enforcement, not to fight crime, and certainly not to ‘overthrow’ a government incorrectly perceived to have become ‘tyrannical’:

‘Justice Scalia, writing in Heller, acknowledged that modern circumstances had severed the substantive protections of the Second Amendment from their original militia purpose, and by modern circumstances, he meant the preposterousness of insurrectionism. He said that "our standing army is the pride of our Nation" and stated (earlier in the opinion) that "it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks."’

http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2013/04/the-resurrection-of-second-amendment.html

The Framers did not amend the Constitution with a provision authorizing its destruction.

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The people in your Arena of Ideas are not very bright.

The idea is that with enough arms in the hands of citizen/patriots, a great Army, even one as powerful as that fielded by our own nation's government, would be deterred.

Every house would require the troops to shoot and kill or be killed or require war crimes to be committed daily by our boys and girls in green camp to clear out a single block and the resistance would be enough to deter an attempted power grab.

Remember, there is a difference between real life and video games.

The government would be unable to maintain power if they tried to make subjects out of us.

And the more brutal their use of power, the greater the resistance would become.

At some point the would-be tyrant would realize he could not win for losing.

The ‘idea’ is idiocy.

It’s the First Amendment that safeguards our rights and protected liberties, not the Second.

Tyranny is prevented by the right of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances through the political and judicial process, by the Constitution and its case law, by our democratic institutions, and the rule of law.

If tyranny comes to America it will be at the behest of the people should they abandon those fundamental principles – tyranny sanctioned by the people the consequence of their fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity, where how well-armed the people might be will be irrelevant.

Yes....petitioning the Venezuelan government is working so well for the citizens who don't have guns....as the government stooges....with guns.....keep them down. Do you understand how foolish your post is? When the government has the guns, and disarms the citizens, they kill the people who petition them to redress grievances.....socialists have become very good at digging mass graves for petitioners....

 

[pismoe]

and i posted , maybe a year or so ago that 'maduro' was arming his Militia Loyalists and henchmen while disarming normal Venezuelans . Might be a battle coming or already going on . Might be a good idea for someone to scatter a few million updated modern versions of Liberator Pistols throughout big cities in Venezuela .

 

[danielpalos]

lousy right wing management.

Thank Goodness FDR was a left winger and used that opportunity to transition our economy from the relative third world to our more modern first world economy.

 

[2aguy]

lousy right wing management.

Thank Goodness FDR was a left winger and used that opportunity to transition our economy from the relative third world to our more modern first world economy.

Moron, he made the depression worse......he increased the severity and duration of the depression with his socialist policies.......

 

[dblack]

Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

No.

Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

No.

Then you’re not very observant or otherwise willfully ignorant.

No, I've just known people who were really into guns who were fine with various limitations on gun ownership. Promoting stereotypes doesn't really solve anything.

 

[danielpalos]

lousy right wing management.

Thank Goodness FDR was a left winger and used that opportunity to transition our economy from the relative third world to our more modern first world economy.

Moron, he made the depression worse......he increased the severity and duration of the depression with his socialist policies.......

in right wing fantasy, you are always right. we have a First World economy because of FDR and the left wing.

 

[2aguy]

lousy right wing management.

Thank Goodness FDR was a left winger and used that opportunity to transition our economy from the relative third world to our more modern first world economy.

Moron, he made the depression worse......he increased the severity and duration of the depression with his socialist policies.......

in right wing fantasy, you are always right. we have a First World economy because of FDR and the left wing.

FDR destroyed any hope of recovering from the Depression with his socialist economic policies..... most depressions are over in a few years, his lasted all the way to World War 2.....

 

[pismoe]

Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

No.

Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

No.

Then you’re not very observant or otherwise willfully ignorant.

No, I've just known people who were really into guns who were fine with various limitations on gun ownership. Promoting stereotypes doesn't really solve anything.

------------------------------ thats because they were not serious people and viewed their guns as TOYS DBlack .

 

[dblack]

Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

No.

Do you notice how gun nuts never talk about any limits to gun ownership?

No.

Then you’re not very observant or otherwise willfully ignorant.

No, I've just known people who were really into guns who were fine with various limitations on gun ownership. Promoting stereotypes doesn't really solve anything.

------------------------------ thats because they were not serious people and viewed their guns as TOYS DBlack .

You have pretty terrific insight given that these are people you've never met, people I haven't even described. Amazing!

 

[danielpalos]

lousy right wing management.

Thank Goodness FDR was a left winger and used that opportunity to transition our economy from the relative third world to our more modern first world economy.

Moron, he made the depression worse......he increased the severity and duration of the depression with his socialist policies.......

in right wing fantasy, you are always right. we have a First World economy because of FDR and the left wing.

FDR destroyed any hope of recovering from the Depression with his socialist economic policies..... most depressions are over in a few years, his lasted all the way to World War 2.....

our understanding of economics was even less well informed, then.

the outright socialism of our wartime economy is what proved, capitalism "died in 1929".