Do you realize that Trump will be the ONLY world leader who denies Climate Change?

[Flopper]

In nice warm places windmachines can be a good thing.

But put in cold places the damned things are downright dangerous and it is right of municipalities to outlaw them.

That's from experience. I was one of the first to experiment with putting windmachines on mountains some 15-20 years ago. When the worked, in the warm months, they worked very well so long as the recommended maintenance (mostly lubrication) was performed. In the winter months it was too dangerous to try to do the regular work as hiking up to them exposed us to the danger of being struck by flying blades. Right. Put a little ice on the blades and they fly off. Lethal little buggers....and some not so little.

Still, it was worth having them in the warmer months but we quickly learned to take the blades off in October and not put them back until April. In between, solar panels and hope for the best but it did mean we had to keep some gigantic battery banks to get through the winter. Wind machine on this site was on a pole attached to the shelter, just left off screen.

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That's because only a portion of the wind turbines are designed for icing and low temperature conditions.

To meet the demand for cold climate installations, turbine manufacturers have developed technical solutions for low temperatures of their standard turbines. In addition, first-generation commercial solutions for de-icing of wind turbine blades have entered the marketplace. R&D activities have been conducted in a number of countries to master the difficulties that atmospheric icing and low temperatures create.
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[Billy_Bob]

In nice warm places windmachines can be a good thing.

But put in cold places the damned things are downright dangerous and it is right of municipalities to outlaw them.

That's from experience. I was one of the first to experiment with putting windmachines on mountains some 15-20 years ago. When the worked, in the warm months, they worked very well so long as the recommended maintenance (mostly lubrication) was performed. In the winter months it was too dangerous to try to do the regular work as hiking up to them exposed us to the danger of being struck by flying blades. Right. Put a little ice on the blades and they fly off. Lethal little buggers....and some not so little.

Still, it was worth having them in the warmer months but we quickly learned to take the blades off in October and not put them back until April. In between, solar panels and hope for the best but it did mean we had to keep some gigantic battery banks to get through the winter. Wind machine on this site was on a pole attached to the shelter, just left off screen.

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They are planning to put one on lake Erie here in Cleveland. It's been in debate for almost ten years. But the feds put up the money to get the ball rolling, and let me tell you, it gets plenty cold and snowy on lake Erie.

U.S. DOE awards $3.7 million to Lake Erie wind turbine project

What I find amusing is the ice build up on these things make them totally useless and dangerous. Here in Wyoming the mills are shut down as they go out of rotational balance. on any average day with snow fall over half are shut down. Near a lake the ice build will be three or more times what it is on a ridge line due to wind spray, as they have found out in Europe..

I'd like to see just what it is they have done to mitigate shut downs..

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What I find amusing is the ice build up on these things make them totally useless and dangerous. Here in Wyoming the mills are shut down as they go out of rotational balance. on any average day with snow fall over half are shut down. Near a lake the ice build will be three or more times what it is on a ridge line due to wind spray, as they have found out in Europe..

I'd like to see just what it is they have done to mitigate shut downs..

It will be interesting to see. Of course they probably would have scrapped the idea if they didn't get them some Obama Money. If these things were productive and profitable, the electric companies here would have made the investment. It's been in debate for a long time now due to expected problems by putting it right on the lake.

Alternative energy is not the way to go, at least not yet. Too many problems to make it a viable option to fossil fuels.

Our biggest windmill here in Cleveland is owned by Lincoln Electric. This thing is pretty impressive when you get close to it. But here's a picture of it from a distance so you get an idea of how big this thing is.

 

[PK1]

Even Putin believes in climate change.

Even North Korea signed the Paris accords.

Trump, the ONLY world leader who believes climate change is a hoax. And we know America has more science deniers than any other country when it comes to climate change.

I find that hilarious.

Trump isn't a stupid sheep that follows the socialist control agenda bell.. I hope he blows up the whole lie..

When it comes to science, Trump is STUPID. He's not a science guy; he's a businessman who was/is focused on MONEY ... primarily for his family.

If Trump was smart & sincere, he would have selected someone who understands science, engineering & environmental health to run the EPA, not a political "theorist" bozo like Myron Ebell who knows little of science & environmental protection.

 

[PK1]

Seth MacFarlane Retweeted
Neil deGrasse Tyson ‏@neiltyson 20h20 hours ago
Actually, were I to meet President Trump I’d discuss with him what science is and how & why it works https://www.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/what-science-is-and-how-and-why-it-works/10153892230401613 …

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But hey, what does he know?

One Reason Tyson will never meet President Trump.

Because Trump wouldn't want someone in the same room as him with an IQ twice what his is.

Tyson is a moron. He's a P.R. man, not a real scientist. He believes in the global warming con. That's proof of his stupidity.

Tyson is "not a real scientist" WTF?
You would not know science if it slapped you in the face. LOL!

 

[LaDexter]

Understanding science is something more than just parroting.

For example, those who believe in the obvious fraud of "Global Warming" cannot answer the question

Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9+ times the ice of the other, the Arctic?


People who cannot answer that question and who insist Global Warming is real are Luddites, sub humans, grounds for a eugenics experiment.

 

[PK1]

Because Trump wouldn't want someone in the same room as him with an IQ twice what his is.

Tyson is a moron. He's a P.R. man, not a real scientist. He believes in the global warming con. That's proof of his stupidity.

You know I used to think you were fucking stupid. Now I think you are fucking brain dead.

That's because you're an imbecile who thinks buffoons like Tyson are smart. If you were actually smart you would understand that he's an idiot. He certainly didn't help his cause by insulting the future President.

Not smart

Let me see... he graduated from Harvard, got a doctorate from Columbia, and did post-doctorate work at Princeton. That's three Ivy league schools. Did you graduate high school?

Wait, maybe you got things confused and didn't know he was an award winning scientist, and instead thought he created the Canadian television show Degrassi.

I have a degree in mechanical engineering, dumbass. What "awards" did he earn for science? None. He's a P.R. man who manages a planetarium. He doesn't do science, and he doesn't know jack about so-called "climate science."

You are a dumbass engineer who thinks he understands science?
Producing knowledge and using it are not the same.

 

[PK1]

those who believe in the obvious fraud of "Global Warming" cannot answer the question

Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9+ times the ice of the other, the Arctic?

You should keep an open mind like scientists do.
Scientists are working on their explanations with observational data as well as modeling methods.

As sea ice forms early in the season, wind blowing off the cold Antarctic ice cap pushes it offshore and northward. As the ice then moves away from the shore, it breaks and is pushed around by wind, eventually forming thicker ridges of ice—a sort of reef—that protects the constantly forming younger ice from being eroded by wind and waves.

Additionally, the snowpack on top of the Antarctic ice is much thicker than in the Arctic. That means there is less formation of dark-colored surface melt ponds, which amplify the melting and warming in the Arctic.

The biggest difference is that the Arctic sea ice forms in a huge ocean surrounded by the northern hemisphere land masses, while the Antarctic sea ice forms as a fringe around a vast frozen continent.

We have more snow in the Antarctic, which speeds ice formation (by pushing thin ice underwater) and protects the ice from melting, ... And the Antarctic is surrounded by the circumpolar current, which isolates the Antarctic from the rest of the world.

Why Is Antarctica's Sea Ice Growing While the Arctic Melts? Scientists Have an Answer

 

[Jackson]

Your Thread title should read:

Do you realize that Trump FINALLY will be the ONLY world leader who denies Climate Change?

 

[RealDave]

Trump nominations are about loyalty. Knowledge and experience are irrelevant. Trump proved that in his campaign.

His nomination had to do with rebelling against the system altogether. In the primaries, they rallied against the establishment and status quo. In the general, they rallied against Hillary and her crime spree. Comey played a big part in that too. By suggesting that the AG let her off the hook was proof positive that these politicians are all in it together, and are all above the law.

But they re-elected the same Congress. How stupid is that? Trump fired up the Alt-right while Congress swift boated Clinton.

Clinton broke no law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump nominations are about loyalty. Knowledge and experience are irrelevant. Trump proved that in his campaign.

His nomination had to do with rebelling against the system altogether. In the primaries, they rallied against the establishment and status quo. In the general, they rallied against Hillary and her crime spree. Comey played a big part in that too. By suggesting that the AG let her off the hook was proof positive that these politicians are all in it together, and are all above the law.

But they re-elected the same Congress. How stupid is that? Trump fired up the Alt-right while Congress swift boated Clinton.

Clinton broke no law.

while Congress swift boated Clinton.

Telling the truth about someone is now called swift boating? Cool!

 

[Flopper]

What I find amusing is the ice build up on these things make them totally useless and dangerous. Here in Wyoming the mills are shut down as they go out of rotational balance. on any average day with snow fall over half are shut down. Near a lake the ice build will be three or more times what it is on a ridge line due to wind spray, as they have found out in Europe..

I'd like to see just what it is they have done to mitigate shut downs..

It will be interesting to see. Of course they probably would have scrapped the idea if they didn't get them some Obama Money. If these things were productive and profitable, the electric companies here would have made the investment. It's been in debate for a long time now due to expected problems by putting it right on the lake.

Alternative energy is not the way to go, at least not yet. Too many problems to make it a viable option to fossil fuels.

Our biggest windmill here in Cleveland is owned by Lincoln Electric. This thing is pretty impressive when you get close to it. But here's a picture of it from a distance so you get an idea of how big this thing is.

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The major problem in wind power is cost of construction. Once constructed, maintenance is low, pollution is essential zero, no greenhouse gases, and the cost is fairly stable since it doesn't use fuel. Another advantage of wind farms over traditional power generation is you can developer it incrementally adding turbines as needed unlike the tradition power plants that cost hundreds of millions to billions dollars. Wind farms are the ideal method of power generation in regard to terrorist attacks. Unlike traditional power plants, wind farms are distributed sources of generation which make them poor targets for terrorist attacks.

Federal subsides of 2.3 cents a kilowatt during first 10 years of operation was extended to 2019 by congress with strong support by both parties. So growth of wind power will continue at least till 2019. Approximate 4% of our electric power comes from wind. It's projected to grow to about 12% by 2050. In some states it could be 3 or 4 times the average and in other states considerably less because all areas are not suitable for wind power. Although it would be theatrically possible to produce all of America's power needs from wind, practically, the number would be closer to 30%.

 

[owebo]

Even Putin believes in climate change.

Even North Korea signed the Paris accords.

Trump, the ONLY world leader who believes climate change is a hoax. And we know America has more science deniers than any other country when it comes to climate change.

I find that hilarious.

Smart people expect him to call out MMGW for the hoax it is.....

Only Six Percent Of Scientists Are Republicans: Pew Poll | The Huffington Post

I believe that number is much, much too high.

But most engineers are conservatives.

Scientists live in test tubes.

Engineers live in the real world.

You fail again.

That is totally ridiculous. Scientists and engineers work hand in hand. What is it with these ignorant right wingers? The worst part is they are confident in their ignorance.

No...we are confident in yours....

 

[owebo]

What I find amusing is the ice build up on these things make them totally useless and dangerous. Here in Wyoming the mills are shut down as they go out of rotational balance. on any average day with snow fall over half are shut down. Near a lake the ice build will be three or more times what it is on a ridge line due to wind spray, as they have found out in Europe..

I'd like to see just what it is they have done to mitigate shut downs..

It will be interesting to see. Of course they probably would have scrapped the idea if they didn't get them some Obama Money. If these things were productive and profitable, the electric companies here would have made the investment. It's been in debate for a long time now due to expected problems by putting it right on the lake.

Alternative energy is not the way to go, at least not yet. Too many problems to make it a viable option to fossil fuels.

Our biggest windmill here in Cleveland is owned by Lincoln Electric. This thing is pretty impressive when you get close to it. But here's a picture of it from a distance so you get an idea of how big this thing is.

View attachment 99265

The major problem in wind power is cost of construction. Once constructed, maintenance is low, pollution is essential zero, no greenhouse gases, and the cost is fairly stable since it doesn't use fuel. Another advantage of wind farms over traditional power generation is you can developer it incrementally adding turbines as needed unlike the tradition power plants that cost hundreds of millions to billions dollars. Wind farms are the ideal method of power generation in regard to terrorist attacks. Unlike traditional power plants, wind farms are distributed sources of generation which make them poor targets for terrorist attacks.

Federal subsides of 2.3 cents a kilowatt during first 10 years of operation was extended to 2019 by congress with strong support by both parties. So growth of wind power will continue at least till 2019. Approximate 4% of our electric power comes from wind. It's projected to grow to about 12% by 2050. In some states it could be 3 or 4 times the average and in other states considerably less because all areas are not suitable for wind power. Although it would be theatrically possible to produce all of America's power needs from wind, practically, the number would be closer to 30%.

That's such bullshit...

And the saddest part is you have no fucking clue why......

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But they re-elected the same Congress. How stupid is that? Trump fired up the Alt-right while Congress swift boated Clinton.

Clinton broke no law.

She didn't?

You mean destroying evidence subpoenaed by the US Congress is not breaking the law?

You mean lying to Congress repeatedly while under oath is not breaking the law?

You mean mishandling confidential and classified material is not against the law?

 

[bripat9643]

Tyson is a moron. He's a P.R. man, not a real scientist. He believes in the global warming con. That's proof of his stupidity.

You know I used to think you were fucking stupid. Now I think you are fucking brain dead.

That's because you're an imbecile who thinks buffoons like Tyson are smart. If you were actually smart you would understand that he's an idiot. He certainly didn't help his cause by insulting the future President.

Not smart

Let me see... he graduated from Harvard, got a doctorate from Columbia, and did post-doctorate work at Princeton. That's three Ivy league schools. Did you graduate high school?

Wait, maybe you got things confused and didn't know he was an award winning scientist, and instead thought he created the Canadian television show Degrassi.

I have a degree in mechanical engineering, dumbass. What "awards" did he earn for science? None. He's a P.R. man who manages a planetarium. He doesn't do science, and he doesn't know jack about so-called "climate science."

You are a dumbass engineer who thinks he understands science?
Producing knowledge and using it are not the same.

What knowledge did Tyson ever produce?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Even Putin believes in climate change.

Even North Korea signed the Paris accords.

Trump, the ONLY world leader who believes climate change is a hoax. And we know America has more science deniers than any other country when it comes to climate change.

I find that hilarious.

Do you not realize that the majority of Americans have had it "up to here" with this climate change horse shit.

"The majority", huh.

Poll: 70 percent believe in climate change

Most Americans won’t spend more than $1 a month in higher electricity bills to fight global warming, according to a new Associated Press-University of Chicago poll.

Only 57 percent of Americans would be willing to spend the extra cash to fight global warming, according to the poll, and 39 percent said they’d spend up to $10 a month to stave off warming.

The polling means that less than 40 percent of Americans are willing to pay for Obama’s Clean Power Plan. The plan, which is intended to slow global warming, is expected to cost a staggering $41 billion annually, which equates to about $10.74 a month for each American.

Poll: Most Americans Aren’t Willing To Pay For Obama’s Global Warming Plans

Most Americans won’t spend more than $1 a month in higher electricity bills to fight global warming, according to a new Associated Press-University of Chicago poll.

Only 57 percent of Americans would be willing to spend the extra cash to fight global warming, according to the poll, and 39 percent said they’d spend up to $10 a month to stave off warming.

This us how dopey you idiots and your sources are. The funny thing is, you don't even see what's wrong with it.

What's wrong with it?

Thank you!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Even Putin believes in climate change.

Even North Korea signed the Paris accords.

Trump, the ONLY world leader who believes climate change is a hoax. And we know America has more science deniers than any other country when it comes to climate change.

I find that hilarious.

Smart people expect him to call out MMGW for the hoax it is.....

Only Six Percent Of Scientists Are Republicans: Pew Poll | The Huffington Post

I believe that number is much, much too high.

But most engineers are conservatives.

Scientists live in test tubes.

Engineers live in the real world.

You fail again.

That is totally ridiculous. Scientists and engineers work hand in hand. What is it with these ignorant right wingers? The worst part is they are confident in their ignorance.

They do work hand in hand. That does not change the fact that scientists live in test tubes. They spend lots of time looking at different things with no thought about costs or practiciality. Got that.

The very definition of engineering includes the word "economics" or "economically" meaning....it has to make sense.

Scientists live in the world of the possible.

Engineers in the world of the practical.

I sit in that mix and know it very well.

So, why don't you explain to me what is ignorant about that.

And you are an engineer ? A scientist ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Hey rdean .....you lost.

You might have to get a job.

Get over it.

 

[Little-Acorn]

while Congress swift boated Clinton.

Telling the truth about someone is now called swift boating? Cool!

It always has been. When John Kerry ran for president, he made silly claims about what a good job he had done in Vietnam as a member and commander of a Swiftboat group.

Normal Americans finally got tired of it, and brought in literally hundreds of witnesses who had been under Kerry's command, or part of groups that operated with him, and who pointed out that Kerry tended to lie or grossly exaggerate his exploits, and was generally unfit for command.

This episode become known as "swiftboating": Telling the truth about someone who is not doing it himself.

Liberals were unable to refute their testimony, and have spent the last few decades attacking the eyewitnesses, calling them names, impugning their character (usually with no evidence to back up their sliming). They did it so much, that they even started believing their own lies.

The funniest part comes when their hysteria comes full circle and they try to accuse someone else of "swiftboating", apparently not realizing that they are accusing him of telling the truth and proving it to whining liberals.