Do you Really believe Epstein committed suicide?

[Bush92]

..Epstein knew his life was over and he just took his fate into his own hands like many have done.

You've any evidence for that?

If anyone thinks the security camera just happened to malfunction when Epstein decided to kill himself thenm just did it, that is fairly gullible of you, IMO.

Most jails do not have cameras in the cells. Officers have to actually walk around and look into the cells.

There is only one set up where officers are able to look directly into cells, it's in prisons using the Panopticon design. It is a design created quit a long time ago by a man named Jeremy Bentham. It is basically a set up where the pod is in a circle or half circle with a tower in the middle with blacked out windows. The pod can have multiple levels and so does the guard tower. The idea is that the inmates won't doing anything they shouldn't, because they never know if the officer is watching them or not. I'm not positive if it is still in operation, but the last prison in the U.S. with this design was in Illinois.

Panopticon - Wikipedia

Joliet. Know people that have done time there. It’s hell.

 

[JimBowie1958]

A former cell mate of Epstein's gives some inside description of that place.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.

The clothing they give you is a jump-in uniform. Everything is a dark brown color.

Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars.

They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper.

Nothing hard or made of metal.

And there’s a cop at the door about every nine minutes, whether you’re on suicide watch or not.​

 

[gipper]

I don't.

the bastards had him killed, I am sure of it.

He was taken off suicide watch, so that he could be murdered. On suicide watch he is videotaped at all times. Can’t murder him then.

He had information on many powerful people, not just BJ Billy.

 

[JimBowie1958]

..Epstein knew his life was over and he just took his fate into his own hands like many have done.

You've any evidence for that?

If anyone thinks the security camera just happened to malfunction when Epstein decided to kill himself thenm just did it, that is fairly gullible of you, IMO.

Most jails do not have cameras in the cells. Officers have to actually walk around and look into the cells.

There is only one set up where officers are able to look directly into cells, it's in prisons using the Panopticon design. It is a design created quit a long time ago by a man named Jeremy Bentham. It is basically a set up where the pod is in a circle or half circle with a tower in the middle with blacked out windows. The pod can have multiple levels and so does the guard tower. The idea is that the inmates won't doing anything they shouldn't, because they never know if the officer is watching them or not. I'm not positive if it is still in operation, but the last prison in the U.S. with this design was in Illinois.

Panopticon - Wikipedia

Joliet. Know people that have done time there. It’s hell.

Being locked up is hell.

But some prefer it to having to take responsibility for themselves.

 

[JimBowie1958]

He was taken off suicide watch, so that he could be murdered. On suicide watch he is videotaped at all times. Can’t murder him then.

Video malfunction, don't ya know?

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Yeah, I've dealt with a TON of people in the same situation as him.

You know a lot of wealthy paedophiles who shared little girls with the ruling oligarchy?

I've also done lots of studying on the subject, and have plenty of hands on experience. I worked in a prison for 5 years.

Might be better to do some studying on how the ruling swamp really works, if rich and powerful people want someone to commit suicide they have ways to make that happen... and prison guards with 5 years of experience aren't a problem...

I have a degree in Criminal Justice, and I'm close to finishing my Masters Degree in Criminology.

Congratulations

But you still need a degree in healthy skepticism

Sad!

 

[Mindful]

There's the third option.

He's sitting in a São Paulo coffee shop, sipping coffee.

Anonymity for life.

 

[Obiwan]

 

[gipper]

He committed suicide by helping hand. Of course, the official word will and shall likely always remain: he offed himself. We'll know the real identity of Kilroy before we know the truth of Epstein's demise.

If the corrupt guard tells you that the people you love will die if you don't stick your head in the noose, that is murder still.

Hell they probably tied the rope for the perv.

Sure they did. I mean who cares if they lose their good paying job, and may potentially be tried for manslaughter?

Whatever happened, this was to much on the front burner for as long as it was going on. We are a jaded people and many believed this was going to happen. There must have been some list of elitist people involved in those trysts.

It's not some kind of rare thing. Lots of high profile people that are going to be tried on serious charges like Epstein at least attempt suicide or actually succeed. After he would be sentenced to basically the rest of his life in prison, he'd either be stuck in the protective custody section of the jail, or segregation where he is in his cell 23 hours a day. Or they could do like they did with Whitey Bulger and put him in general population where he would be killed in the first week.

Epstein knew his life was over and he just took his fate into his own hands like many have done.

You don’t know that. You’re guessing and it’s illogical.

Why was he taken off suicide watch? Then, he’s dead. Right after news comes out about powerful people associated with him doing little girls.

The prison authorities know pedos don’t last in the general population. Now, Epstein is no common pedo he has damning information on powerful people also being pedos. Why would the prison take him off suicide watch?

I suspect he was murdered.

The bigger problem is the elites don’t give a shit how this murder looks. They are now doing it right in our face.

 

[Lewdog]

Yeah, I've dealt with a TON of people in the same situation as him.

You know a lot of wealthy paedophiles who shared little girls with the ruling oligarchy?

I've also done lots of studying on the subject, and have plenty of hands on experience. I worked in a prison for 5 years.

Might be better to do some studying on how the ruling swamp really works, if rich and powerful people want someone to commit suicide they have ways to make that happen... and prison guards with 5 years of experience aren't a problem...

I have a degree in Criminal Justice, and I'm close to finishing my Masters Degree in Criminology.

Congratulations

But you still need a degree in healthy skepticism

Sad!

No, I dealt with plenty of scum bag pedos who were locked up in prison.

You need to get a bigger tin foil hat. I don't care how much money you have, you aren't going to kill someone in a federal jail at 3 am with a guy without a cell mate. You people are seriously cracking me up with this. If Mexican drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán can't get people to help him escape with the millions upon millions of dollars he has, and all of his minions, no one is getting in there to kill Epstein at 3 am. If you are dead set that someone killed him, you need to look at the federal person who has enough power to get it done. His name sounds like Tonald Drump.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't.

the bastards had him killed, I am sure of it.

which bastards are those? Trump or Clinton?

So here's the question... Is Trump's DOJ so incompetent that they can let Epstein get offed right before he was about to totally implicate the Clintons in everything back to the Lindberg Baby Kidnapping and the sinking of the Lustitiania?

 

[Lewdog]

He committed suicide by helping hand. Of course, the official word will and shall likely always remain: he offed himself. We'll know the real identity of Kilroy before we know the truth of Epstein's demise.

If the corrupt guard tells you that the people you love will die if you don't stick your head in the noose, that is murder still.

Hell they probably tied the rope for the perv.

Sure they did. I mean who cares if they lose their good paying job, and may potentially be tried for manslaughter?

Whatever happened, this was to much on the front burner for as long as it was going on. We are a jaded people and many believed this was going to happen. There must have been some list of elitist people involved in those trysts.

It's not some kind of rare thing. Lots of high profile people that are going to be tried on serious charges like Epstein at least attempt suicide or actually succeed. After he would be sentenced to basically the rest of his life in prison, he'd either be stuck in the protective custody section of the jail, or segregation where he is in his cell 23 hours a day. Or they could do like they did with Whitey Bulger and put him in general population where he would be killed in the first week.

Epstein knew his life was over and he just took his fate into his own hands like many have done.

You don’t know that. You’re guessing and it’s illogical.

Why was he taken off suicide watch? Then, he’s dead. Right after news comes out about powerful people associated with him doing little girls.

The prison authorities know pedos don’t last in the general population. Now, Epstein is no common pedo he has damning information on powerful people also being pedos. Why would the prison take him off suicide watch?

I suspect he was murdered.

The bigger problem is the elites don’t give a shit how this murder looks. They are now doing it right in our face.

I don't know that? You haven't been keeping up with the news. Why was he not on suicide watch? Because they only keep them on suicide watch for so long. The courts have ruled it is a violation of the 8th Amendment of cruel and unusual punishment to keep someone in a cell naked with just a suicide smock on.

Epstein was no longer in general population after he was attacked...

 

[Lewdog]

I don't.

the bastards had him killed, I am sure of it.

which bastards are those? Trump or Clinton?

So here's the question... Is Trump's DOJ so incompetent that they can let Epstein get offed right before he was about to totally implicate the Clintons in everything back to the Lindberg Baby Kidnapping and the sinking of the Lustitiania?

I think he was killed by the Baby Trump blimp.

 

[gipper]

If the corrupt guard tells you that the people you love will die if you don't stick your head in the noose, that is murder still.

Hell they probably tied the rope for the perv.

Sure they did. I mean who cares if they lose their good paying job, and may potentially be tried for manslaughter?

Whatever happened, this was to much on the front burner for as long as it was going on. We are a jaded people and many believed this was going to happen. There must have been some list of elitist people involved in those trysts.

It's not some kind of rare thing. Lots of high profile people that are going to be tried on serious charges like Epstein at least attempt suicide or actually succeed. After he would be sentenced to basically the rest of his life in prison, he'd either be stuck in the protective custody section of the jail, or segregation where he is in his cell 23 hours a day. Or they could do like they did with Whitey Bulger and put him in general population where he would be killed in the first week.

Epstein knew his life was over and he just took his fate into his own hands like many have done.

You don’t know that. You’re guessing and it’s illogical.

Why was he taken off suicide watch? Then, he’s dead. Right after news comes out about powerful people associated with him doing little girls.

The prison authorities know pedos don’t last in the general population. Now, Epstein is no common pedo he has damning information on powerful people also being pedos. Why would the prison take him off suicide watch?

I suspect he was murdered.

The bigger problem is the elites don’t give a shit how this murder looks. They are now doing it right in our face.

I don't know that? You haven't been keeping up with the news. Why was he not on suicide watch? Because they only keep them on suicide watch for so long. The courts have ruled it is a violation of the 8th Amendment of cruel and unusual punishment to keep someone in a cell naked with just a suicide smock on.

Epstein was no longer in general population after he was attacked...

And that too is absurd. This guy was super high profile. He had damning information on many powerful people. Don’t you think that warrants a different level of supervision? If this can’t be done at that hellhole in Manhattan, MOVE HIM. Placing him in that prison is proof enough they had no intention of protecting him. He had to know his murder was imminent.

 

[Lewdog]

Sure they did. I mean who cares if they lose their good paying job, and may potentially be tried for manslaughter?

Whatever happened, this was to much on the front burner for as long as it was going on. We are a jaded people and many believed this was going to happen. There must have been some list of elitist people involved in those trysts.

It's not some kind of rare thing. Lots of high profile people that are going to be tried on serious charges like Epstein at least attempt suicide or actually succeed. After he would be sentenced to basically the rest of his life in prison, he'd either be stuck in the protective custody section of the jail, or segregation where he is in his cell 23 hours a day. Or they could do like they did with Whitey Bulger and put him in general population where he would be killed in the first week.

Epstein knew his life was over and he just took his fate into his own hands like many have done.

You don’t know that. You’re guessing and it’s illogical.

Why was he taken off suicide watch? Then, he’s dead. Right after news comes out about powerful people associated with him doing little girls.

The prison authorities know pedos don’t last in the general population. Now, Epstein is no common pedo he has damning information on powerful people also being pedos. Why would the prison take him off suicide watch?

I suspect he was murdered.

The bigger problem is the elites don’t give a shit how this murder looks. They are now doing it right in our face.

I don't know that? You haven't been keeping up with the news. Why was he not on suicide watch? Because they only keep them on suicide watch for so long. The courts have ruled it is a violation of the 8th Amendment of cruel and unusual punishment to keep someone in a cell naked with just a suicide smock on.

Epstein was no longer in general population after he was attacked...

And that too is absurd. This guy was super high profile. He had damning information on many powerful people. Don’t you think that warrants a different level of supervision? If this can’t be done at that hellhole in Manhattan, MOVE HIM. Placing him in that prison is proof enough they had no intention of protecting him. He had to know his murder was imminent.

WTF are you talking about? After he was attacked he was put in a cell by himself without a cellmate. The federal jail he was in was fine, but obviously one of the officers weren't doing their rounds properly, which often happens at 3 AM after count time. They assume they are all asleep and they get lazy. There was no murder... he was in a locked cell by himself.

 

[gipper]

Whatever happened, this was to much on the front burner for as long as it was going on. We are a jaded people and many believed this was going to happen. There must have been some list of elitist people involved in those trysts.

It's not some kind of rare thing. Lots of high profile people that are going to be tried on serious charges like Epstein at least attempt suicide or actually succeed. After he would be sentenced to basically the rest of his life in prison, he'd either be stuck in the protective custody section of the jail, or segregation where he is in his cell 23 hours a day. Or they could do like they did with Whitey Bulger and put him in general population where he would be killed in the first week.

Epstein knew his life was over and he just took his fate into his own hands like many have done.

You don’t know that. You’re guessing and it’s illogical.

Why was he taken off suicide watch? Then, he’s dead. Right after news comes out about powerful people associated with him doing little girls.

The prison authorities know pedos don’t last in the general population. Now, Epstein is no common pedo he has damning information on powerful people also being pedos. Why would the prison take him off suicide watch?

I suspect he was murdered.

The bigger problem is the elites don’t give a shit how this murder looks. They are now doing it right in our face.

I don't know that? You haven't been keeping up with the news. Why was he not on suicide watch? Because they only keep them on suicide watch for so long. The courts have ruled it is a violation of the 8th Amendment of cruel and unusual punishment to keep someone in a cell naked with just a suicide smock on.

Epstein was no longer in general population after he was attacked...

And that too is absurd. This guy was super high profile. He had damning information on many powerful people. Don’t you think that warrants a different level of supervision? If this can’t be done at that hellhole in Manhattan, MOVE HIM. Placing him in that prison is proof enough they had no intention of protecting him. He had to know his murder was imminent.

WTF are you talking about? After he was attacked he was put in a cell by himself without a cellmate. The federal jail he was in was fine, but obviously one of the officers weren't doing their rounds properly, which often happens at 3 AM after count time. They assume they are all asleep and they get lazy. There was no murder... he was in a locked cell by himself.

LOL. You don’t get it.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

What raises my eyebrows is that he was taken off suicide watch which results in a reduction in cell checks. Is security film going to surface? If that shit disappears then it’s a murder.

You only keep suicide watch for a certain period of time. Usually 72 hours or less. Now even with him being off suicide watch, the officers are supposed to do rounds every 30-40 minutes. From the way it sounds, he hung himself sometime after the 3 AM count and 6 AM. That means whomever was working the area he was, didn't do their job of cell checks.

More fake news. You can hang yourself in just a few minutes.

Not really. As I understand it, the fixtures usually do not accommodate fitting an entire bedsheet, so you have to tear strips and braid them together. That takes a lot of time and makes noise.

One can hang oneself with a 12 inch length of material and an18 inch tieoff... tie the loop and sit. As long as your ass stays off the floor the noose tightens. Just a matter of not bailing out until you pass out.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

No, I dealt with plenty of scum bag pedos who were looked in prison.

But Epstein isn't exactly an ordinary scum bag pedo

You need to get a bigger tin foil hat.

If you insist..

I don't care how much money you have, you aren't going to kill someone in a federal jail at 3 am with a guy without a cell mate.

How do you know he's really dead, because 'officials' say so?

You people are seriously cracking me up with this.

Do you realize that the 'you people' is the vast majority in this case and that you come across like a gullible moron, happily swallowing the propaganda from the same people that have an interest in Epstein's trial not happening and making the evidence go away?

If you are dead set that someone killed him, you need to look at the federal person who has enough
power to get it done. His name sounds like Tonald Drump.

See, that already makes a lot more sense

I doubt it was individual 1 though, he couldn't even keep a payoff to a porn star secret so I doubt he could organize something like this

 

[gipper]

What raises my eyebrows is that he was taken off suicide watch which results in a reduction in cell checks. Is security film going to surface? If that shit disappears then it’s a murder.

You only keep suicide watch for a certain period of time. Usually 72 hours or less. Now even with him being off suicide watch, the officers are supposed to do rounds every 30-40 minutes. From the way it sounds, he hung himself sometime after the 3 AM count and 6 AM. That means whomever was working the area he was, didn't do their job of cell checks.

More fake news. You can hang yourself in just a few minutes.

Not really. As I understand it, the fixtures usually do not accommodate fitting an entire bedsheet, so you have to tear strips and braid them together. That takes a lot of time and makes noise.

One can hang oneself with a 12 inch length of material and an18 inch tieoff... tie the loop and sit. As long as your ass stays off the floor the noose tightens. Just a matter of not bailing out until you pass out.

Uh no. Prisons today are designed to prevent suicide, IF THEY ARE RUN PROPERLY.

Get informed. Don’t believe the lies from the criminals in the ruling class.


Jail suicides are almost entirely preventable, a HuffPost investigation found in 2016, and they’re far more common than you might think: Suicide has been the most common cause of jail deaths for every year dating back to 2000. The number of detainee suicides hit a record high with an average of more than one per day in 2014, the year for which the most recent Justice Department data is available. Three-hundred and seventy-two people killed themselves, accounting for more than a third of all inmate deaths that year, according to the latest Bureau of Justice Statistics report on mortality in local jails. It was a 13% increase from suicide deaths in 2013.

Inmates face a greater risk of harm when jail authorities neglect to follow protocol. Those with a history of serious mental health issues or suicidal behavior need to be under continuous supervision, experts told HuffPost, as it can take just five minutes to die by strangulation, for example.

“Under the circumstances, I would have a staff member sitting there or have a camera on [Epstein] 24/7 while he was in my custody, purely to cover my butt,” Bob Hood, a former federal Bureau of Prisons chief of internal affairs, told NBC. “I know that sounds tacky, but this is not your average inmate.”


Not only had Epstein seemingly already attempted to take his own life, but he was also due to stand trial for federal criminal sex charges. Accused sex offenders are at a significantly higher risk of suicide than members of the general population.


“People often say, ‘Well, if somebody wants to kill themselves, they’re going to kill themselves,’” Margo Schlanger, a law professor at the University of Michigan who specializes in criminal justice, told HuffPost in 2016. “That’s false. If you run a jail with an appropriate degree of suicide prevention, you get almost zero.”

Jeffrey Epstein's Death Underlines A Nationwide Problem | HuffPost

 

[Mac1958]

yikes

Are we sure this was taken on Epstein's plane?
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