Doctors kill 100,00+ Americans per year; Cops...1000 or less. Why the bias outrage?

[timslash]

Well, very bad argument, u know?
The problem is that in most of cases when cops shoot somebody - they're guilty, and always these shots weren't necessary.
And if we're talking about deaths from surgeons - they always trying to do everything to save life and patient's death is not their fault!

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Again Bucs' overzealous protection of the thin blue line prevents him from understanding the problem.

When patients have bad outcomes, there isn't a "thin red line" of other physicians willing to ignore a physicians mistake (or worse, negligence). Instead we must carry millions of dollars of insurance, often costing us tens of thousands of dollars in premiums a year, and effectively turn our "defense" over to the insurance company which has their best interest at hand, not ours. This most often means settling, which saves the insurance company money, but puts the doc's name on a "bad boy list" thus making it more difficult to get a job.

And if there is a "bad" physician, we want to fix that problem STAT. Docs dont look the other way.

When a cop violates someone's rights, like out in the CA desert, the other cops just turn their backs and dont see anything. Help the handcuffed guy getting beaten by six sheriff's? "Heyyyy....look at this pretty cactus over here......"I didn't see how the perp got the hell beat out of him".

Nobody is saying ALL cops are bad. But too many cover up for the very few really bad ones. Quit being one of them.

 

[hangover]

Cops kill only a thousand a year?....well that's no big deal, huh. Is that just innocent people, or the bad guys too?

 

[JoeMoma]

Cops kill only a thousand a year?....well that's no big deal, huh. Is that just innocent people, or the bad guys too?

Of course it's a big deal for the families of those that die. However, considering a population of 320 million, the probability of being killed by a cop in a given year is approximately 0.000003 ( or 0.0003%). This stat is of course misleading in that law abiding citizens that have few or any interactions with cops and follow orders when they do interact with cops practically have a zero chance of being killed by a cop. Law breakers, some who may disobey orders from cops and resist arrests have a much higher probability of being shot. Considering the millions of interactions that cops have with the public in doing their jobs with each interaction having the potential of becoming a dangerous situation, a thousand deaths by cop is not a ginormous number. No mater how much training and how good the cops are, Murphy's law is going to dictate that some people are going to die especially when people do stupid stuff like resisting arrest.

And yes, sometimes cops make deadly mistakes and kill innocent people. Most of the time, that is not the case.

 

[bodecea]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/opinion/more-treatment-more-mistakes.html?referrer=

They're both supposed to help us and protect us.
They both kill people...often by accident or recklessness. Rarely but certainly disturbing...they do it out of malice.

Cops do it about 1000 times a year.
Doctors do it about 100,000 times or more a year...some estimate 200,000 or more.

Why is the national outrage. ...for the far smaller problem?

Isn't there some kind of outrage against malpractice insurance costs?

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Of course it's a big deal for the families of those that die. However, considering a population of 320 million, the probability of being killed by a cop in a given year is approximately 0.000003 ( or 0.0003%). This stat is of course misleading in that law abiding citizens that have few or any interactions with cops and follow orders when they dointeract with cops practically have a zero chance of being killed by a cop. Law breakers, some who may disobey orders from cops and resist arrests have a much higher probability of being shot. Considering the millions of interactions that cops have with the public in doing their jobs with each interaction having the potential of becoming a dangerous situation, a thousand deaths by cop is not a ginormous number. No mater how much training and how good the cops are, Murphy's law is going to dictate that some people are going to die especially when people do stupid stuff like resisting arrest.

And yes, sometimes cops make deadly mistakes and kill innocent people. Most of the time, that is not the case.

I agree with all of that. However I am less concerned with a few deaths than I am with the generalized increase in use of military tactics in routine law enforcement.

I understand the need for no-knock warrants. They are a good idea when you are serving a SEARCH warrant on a suspected drug house because it keeps them from flushing the drugs. But why do you need a no-knock warrant to serve an arrest warrant? What happened to going to the door, knocking on it, and serving the warrant? All too-often serving warrants consists of ramming the door open, throwing a flash bang (on, sorry that went into a baby's crib), storming the house and throwing everyone to the floor. "Oh, wait...you mean this is the wrong house? Sorry about that, you should get that gash on your head looked at. Oh, and you might want to fix that door, this isn't a safe neighborhood." This is inexcusable.

I was watching COPS yesterday. The first series was in small town North Carolina where they had a prostitution sting. Had a woman cop walking the corner, and directing "John's" around the corner for their interlude. These cops were absolutely BRUTAL to these Johns....running up to their car with their guns drawn, pulling them from their cars, and taking them down on the concrete. First guy got his face smashed, was bleeding all over the place, and got his glasses broken. Why? Yes, he apparently broke the law, but why did the cops have to be so violent? If I saw them assaulting my wife or kids like that I would absolutely shoot these bastards.

Mind you, this is in rural North Carolina, arresting suspected Johns. Not exactly high risk for armed/violent criminals (although never zero risk), so why face plant a guy onto concrete? Because they can, and they can get away with it, because of people like Bucs.

The next segment was a great cop in Passaic County New Jersey busting cars around the projects. He made LOTS of drug busts, including folks who initially attempted to evade the traffic stop. He was incredibly professional, never got physical with anyone, and we saw him take tens of thousands of dollars of heroine off the streets while arresting about 8 people, all in different stops.

 

[hangover]

Cops kill only a thousand a year?....well that's no big deal, huh. Is that just innocent people, or the bad guys too?

Of course it's a big deal for the families of those that die. However, considering a population of 320 million, the probability of being killed by a cop in a given year is approximately 0.000003 ( or 0.0003%). This stat is of course misleading in that law abiding citizens that have few or any interactions with cops and follow orders when they do interact with cops practically have a zero chance of being killed by a cop. Law breakers, some who may disobey orders from cops and resist arrests have a much higher probability of being shot. Considering the millions of interactions that cops have with the public in doing their jobs with each interaction having the potential of becoming a dangerous situation, a thousand deaths by cop is not a ginormous number. No mater how much training and how good the cops are, Murphy's law is going to dictate that some people are going to die especially when people do stupid stuff like resisting arrest.

And yes, sometimes cops make deadly mistakes and kill innocent people. Most of the time, that is not the case.

What are the odds that a cop doesn't know the difference between his gun and a tazer? Does anyone think they are kept in the same place?

 

[bucs90]

Cops kill only a thousand a year?....well that's no big deal, huh. Is that just innocent people, or the bad guys too?

Of course it's a big deal for the families of those that die. However, considering a population of 320 million, the probability of being killed by a cop in a given year is approximately 0.000003 ( or 0.0003%). This stat is of course misleading in that law abiding citizens that have few or any interactions with cops and follow orders when they do interact with cops practically have a zero chance of being killed by a cop. Law breakers, some who may disobey orders from cops and resist arrests have a much higher probability of being shot. Considering the millions of interactions that cops have with the public in doing their jobs with each interaction having the potential of becoming a dangerous situation, a thousand deaths by cop is not a ginormous number. No mater how much training and how good the cops are, Murphy's law is going to dictate that some people are going to die especially when people do stupid stuff like resisting arrest.

And yes, sometimes cops make deadly mistakes and kill innocent people. Most of the time, that is not the case.

What are the odds that a cop doesn't know the difference between his gun and a tazer? Does anyone think they are kept in the same place?

Very slim. Its referred to by psychologists as the "slip and change" phenomenon that humans sometimes do during moments of high stress. Which is why im 100% against part time or volunteer cops doing cop work. They arent trained for it.

 

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[tigerred59]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/opinion/more-treatment-more-mistakes.html?referrer=

They're both supposed to help us and protect us.
They both kill people...often by accident or recklessness. Rarely but certainly disturbing...they do it out of malice.

Cops do it about 1000 times a year.
Doctors do it about 100,000 times or more a year...some estimate 200,000 or more.

Why is the national outrage. ...for the far smaller problem?

Apple and oranges pal....here's the difference......Doctors who kill mistakenly are often held accountable by the families or lawyers, not to mention Medical Boards. Those that get away, loose patients or their licences.....COPs on the other hand without camera's....tell a lie, and go back to work the next day. End of story. Next stupid question?

 

[bucs90]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/opinion/more-treatment-more-mistakes.html?referrer=

They're both supposed to help us and protect us.
They both kill people...often by accident or recklessness. Rarely but certainly disturbing...they do it out of malice.

Cops do it about 1000 times a year.
Doctors do it about 100,000 times or more a year...some estimate 200,000 or more.

Why is the national outrage. ...for the far smaller problem?

Apple and oranges pal....here's the difference......Doctors who kill mistakenly are often held accountable by the families or lawyers, not to mention Medical Boards. Those that get away, loose patients or their licences.....COPs on the other hand without camera's....tell a lie, and go back to work the next day. End of story. Next stupid question?

Cops who kill unlawfully are held accountable. Grand jury of citizens handle it. Cops who kill by accident...even if not charged...get the shit sued out of them and so does their department. Just like doctors.

Its not apples and oranges.

Its like...red apples vs green apples.

Both are supposed to help us or protect us. Both end up killing...most not criminally but a few....but doctors do it at a rate 50-100X more often than police.

True story.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Cops kill only a thousand a year?....well that's no big deal, huh. Is that just innocent people, or the bad guys too?

Of course it's a big deal for the families of those that die. However, considering a population of 320 million, the probability of being killed by a cop in a given year is approximately 0.000003 ( or 0.0003%). This stat is of course misleading in that law abiding citizens that have few or any interactions with cops and follow orders when they do interact with cops practically have a zero chance of being killed by a cop. Law breakers, some who may disobey orders from cops and resist arrests have a much higher probability of being shot. Considering the millions of interactions that cops have with the public in doing their jobs with each interaction having the potential of becoming a dangerous situation, a thousand deaths by cop is not a ginormous number. No mater how much training and how good the cops are, Murphy's law is going to dictate that some people are going to die especially when people do stupid stuff like resisting arrest.

And yes, sometimes cops make deadly mistakes and kill innocent people. Most of the time, that is not the case.

What are the odds that a cop doesn't know the difference between his gun and a tazer? Does anyone think they are kept in the same place?

Or that it they're the same color, feel, or heft?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Big rig truckers kill about 5,000 a year with their recklessness.

Hmmm.....no protests.

The fuck we do. Where do you get your info?

Ruh Roh! Nutter fight!!

 

[bucs90]

Big rig truckers kill about 5,000 a year with their recklessness.

Hmmm.....no protests.

The fuck we do. Where do you get your info?

Ruh Roh! Nutter fight!!

Not at all. He completely stumbled on the point you liberals can comprehend.

 

[whitehall]

About 1,500 Police Officers die in the line of duty protecting doctors and drunks and politicians and fools.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Big rig truckers kill about 5,000 a year with their recklessness.

Hmmm.....no protests.

The fuck we do. Where do you get your info?

I THOUGHT that number was bogus until I looked. It's correct.
Stockton Truck Accident Lawyer Big Rig Accident Attorney Stockton Semi Truck Accident Lawyer In Stockton

Yeah, an ambulance chaser. Great fact checking, Dark and Furry.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Bucs........trying to be the USMB spokesman for law enforcement.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/opinion/more-treatment-more-mistakes.html?referrer=

They're both supposed to help us and protect us.
They both kill people...often by accident or recklessness. Rarely but certainly disturbing...they do it out of malice.

Cops do it about 1000 times a year.
Doctors do it about 100,000 times or more a year...some estimate 200,000 or more.

Why is the national outrage. ...for the far smaller problem?

Isn't there some kind of outrage against malpractice insurance costs?

Yes, and the outrage comes from the Republicans.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/opinion/more-treatment-more-mistakes.html?referrer=

They're both supposed to help us and protect us.
They both kill people...often by accident or recklessness. Rarely but certainly disturbing...they do it out of malice.

Cops do it about 1000 times a year.
Doctors do it about 100,000 times or more a year...some estimate 200,000 or more.

Why is the national outrage. ...for the far smaller problem?

Thanks for the lame effort to prove some point that so far I can only see sprouting from the top of your head. Must be tough to wear a baseball hat.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

This was a decent conversation before the loony leftists showed up.

Go back to your circus you clowns, adults are trying to have a conversation here and we dont want your whining...