Does the Bradley Manning trial set a dangerous precedent?

[Crackerjaxon]

Manning is being tried under the UCMJ. He's guilty as hell. It has nothing to do with the Espionage Act.

 

[g5000]

Since he was first elected in 2006, Correa has hurled insults and filed lawsuits against reporters and news outlets and promoted a series of legal measures to roll back press freedoms, moves that landed Ecuador on CPJ's Risk List, which identifies the 10 countries worldwide where press freedom suffered the most in 2012. All of this has turned Ecuador into one of the hemisphere's most restrictive nations for the press, according to CPJ research--and there may be more to come.

Battle between Correa, Ecuadoran press to wage on - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists

This is the country Assange chose for sanctuary.

Don't be conned by this Marxist prick.

 

[g5000]

Reporters Without Borders hopes for quick results from the investigation into journalist Fausto Valdivieso’s murder yesterday in Guayaquil. The motive is not yet known but press reports quoted local sources as saying he had been the target of a murder attempt 24 hours earlier and had received threats.

A former employee of privately-owned TV stations Ecuavisa, Teleamazonas and TC Televisión, Valdivieso still worked intermittently as an independent journalist while pursuing business activities and acting as a PR consultant. Aged 52, he was the father of three children.

“Valdivieso continued to report news developments on social networks and a small online TV station so his murder may have been linked to journalistic activities,” Reporters Without Borders said. “We ask the investigators to take this possibility into account.”

He was the second journalist to be murdered in Ecuador in the past 10 months, following the photographer Byron Baldeón, who was killed near Guayaquil on 1 July 2012.

Journalist slain in Guayaquil, a day after escaping earlier murder attempt - Reporters Without Borders

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I loved Ron Paul's take on the subject.

Ron Paul: Bradley Manning Deserves Nobel Peace Prize More Than Barack Obama - US News and World Report

Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is accused of providing an enormous stash of classified government documents to WikiLeaks for publication, deserves a Nobel Peace Prize more than President Barack Obama, according to former Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

"While President Obama was starting and expanding unconstitutional wars overseas, Bradley Manning, whose actions have caused exactly zero deaths, was shining light on the truth behind these wars," the former Republican presidential contender told U.S. News. "It's clear which individual has done more to promote peace."

""While President Obama was starting and expanding unconstitutional wars overseas," Paul loses all credibility here. What war did Obama start overseas?

Libya? Mali?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Bradley Manning is a weakling loser who was used and spit out by Julian Assange. Assange took no precautions to protect the leaker's identity in his haste to damage as many western governments as he could.

Julian Assange flew false colors, pretending to be someone standing up for transparency in government and freedom of the press. However, he revealed his true colors when he chose to seek shelter with an oppressive, secretive, Marxist state which has no freedom of the press and kills reporters who dare challenge their regime.

Assange's one and only goal is to bring down the West, period.

Manning is a useful idiot who deserves a long time in prison.

It's funny, because the "oppressive, secretive, Marxist state which has no freedom of the press and kills reporters who dare challenge their regime" is protecting Assange from being prosecuted for journalism. If I were facing trumped up charges from the U.S. I'd seek shelter from anybody willing to supply it as well.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Since he was first elected in 2006, Correa has hurled insults and filed lawsuits against reporters and news outlets and promoted a series of legal measures to roll back press freedoms, moves that landed Ecuador on CPJ's Risk List, which identifies the 10 countries worldwide where press freedom suffered the most in 2012. All of this has turned Ecuador into one of the hemisphere's most restrictive nations for the press, according to CPJ research--and there may be more to come.

Battle between Correa, Ecuadoran press to wage on - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists

This is the country Assange chose for sanctuary.

Don't be conned by this Marxist prick.

The "Marxist" who says one of his inspirations is free market libertarianism?

 

[Crackerjaxon]

I loved Ron Paul's take on the subject.

Ron Paul: Bradley Manning Deserves Nobel Peace Prize More Than Barack Obama - US News and World Report

Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is accused of providing an enormous stash of classified government documents to WikiLeaks for publication, deserves a Nobel Peace Prize more than President Barack Obama, according to former Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

"While President Obama was starting and expanding unconstitutional wars overseas, Bradley Manning, whose actions have caused exactly zero deaths, was shining light on the truth behind these wars," the former Republican presidential contender told U.S. News. "It's clear which individual has done more to promote peace."

""While President Obama was starting and expanding unconstitutional wars overseas," Paul loses all credibility here. What war did Obama start overseas?

Libya? Mali?

Let's not forget Syria.

 

[g5000]

Since he was first elected in 2006, Correa has hurled insults and filed lawsuits against reporters and news outlets and promoted a series of legal measures to roll back press freedoms, moves that landed Ecuador on CPJ's Risk List, which identifies the 10 countries worldwide where press freedom suffered the most in 2012. All of this has turned Ecuador into one of the hemisphere's most restrictive nations for the press, according to CPJ research--and there may be more to come.

Battle between Correa, Ecuadoran press to wage on - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists

This is the country Assange chose for sanctuary.

Don't be conned by this Marxist prick.

The "Marxist" who says one of his inspirations is free market libertarianism?

Ecuador is your idea of a free market libertopia?

You are drinking his piss.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Since he was first elected in 2006, Correa has hurled insults and filed lawsuits against reporters and news outlets and promoted a series of legal measures to roll back press freedoms, moves that landed Ecuador on CPJ's Risk List, which identifies the 10 countries worldwide where press freedom suffered the most in 2012. All of this has turned Ecuador into one of the hemisphere's most restrictive nations for the press, according to CPJ research--and there may be more to come.

Battle between Correa, Ecuadoran press to wage on - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists

This is the country Assange chose for sanctuary.

Don't be conned by this Marxist prick.

The "Marxist" who says one of his inspirations is free market libertarianism?

Assange threw Manning to the wolves. That said, he was right to print what Manning stole.

Manning is a soldier who disobeyed orders and deserves what he gets. I expect the Army will go lighter on him than people expect. He strikes me as a manipulated halfwit.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

""While President Obama was starting and expanding unconstitutional wars overseas," Paul loses all credibility here. What war did Obama start overseas?

Libya? Mali?

Let's not forget Syria.

Well, that one's certainly getting warmed up at the very least.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Battle between Correa, Ecuadoran press to wage on - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists

This is the country Assange chose for sanctuary.

Don't be conned by this Marxist prick.

The "Marxist" who says one of his inspirations is free market libertarianism?

Ecuador is your idea of a free market libertopia?

You are drinking his piss.

Nice work. You completely demolished an argument nobody made.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Battle between Correa, Ecuadoran press to wage on - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists

This is the country Assange chose for sanctuary.

Don't be conned by this Marxist prick.

The "Marxist" who says one of his inspirations is free market libertarianism?

Assange threw Manning to the wolves. That said, he was right to print what Manning stole.

Manning is a soldier who disobeyed orders and deserves what he gets. I expect the Army will go lighter on him than people expect. He strikes me as a manipulated halfwit.

There's no evidence Assange did anything of the sort.

 

[williepete]

Manning has already plead guilty to releasing classified information. For that alone, he's going to prison for a long time.

The charge he's up for now is aiding the enemy, to be more precise, Article 104 of the UCMJ:

Any person who—

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to, or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct. This section does not apply to a military commission established under chapter 47A of this title.

 

[blackhawk]

Manning a PFC decided it was his right to take classified information and release it to wiki leaks a decision tha was never his to make anything he gets he earned.

Then the Army never should have issued him a security clearance.

Let's be clear here. This information was not classified to keep it from the enemy. The enemy knows what we've been up to.

It's been classified to hide it from Joe Sixpack sitting at home flipping past the news channels on the way to more reality TV.

It does not change the fact it was not his decision to make he knew this and choose to do it anyway now he has to live with the consequences.

 

[Billo_Really]

Traitors can flail at the end of a rope all day long for all I care.

Do you consider Daniel Elsberg a traitor?

 

[JoeB131]

Manning a PFC decided it was his right to take classified information and release it to wiki leaks a decision tha was never his to make anything he gets he earned.

Then the Army never should have issued him a security clearance.

Let's be clear here. This information was not classified to keep it from the enemy. The enemy knows what we've been up to.

It's been classified to hide it from Joe Sixpack sitting at home flipping past the news channels on the way to more reality TV.

It does not change the fact it was not his decision to make he knew this and choose to do it anyway now he has to live with the consequences.

Again, if the government is lying to us, I think it loses any moral authority to demand loyalty.

The real crime is not that Manning released documents showing the Army lied about certain operations.

The crime is we got into a war over weapons that didn't exist, 5000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis died as a result.

So we are going to prosecute Manning, and Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld get a pass? Seriously?

 

[blackhawk]

Then the Army never should have issued him a security clearance.

Let's be clear here. This information was not classified to keep it from the enemy. The enemy knows what we've been up to.

It's been classified to hide it from Joe Sixpack sitting at home flipping past the news channels on the way to more reality TV.

It does not change the fact it was not his decision to make he knew this and choose to do it anyway now he has to live with the consequences.

Again, if the government is lying to us, I think it loses any moral authority to demand loyalty.

The real crime is not that Manning released documents showing the Army lied about certain operations.

The crime is we got into a war over weapons that didn't exist, 5000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis died as a result.

So we are going to prosecute Manning, and Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld get a pass? Seriously?

I will say it one last time none of that changes the fact Manning made a decision that was not his to make.

 

[JoeB131]

It does not change the fact it was not his decision to make he knew this and choose to do it anyway now he has to live with the consequences.

Again, if the government is lying to us, I think it loses any moral authority to demand loyalty.

The real crime is not that Manning released documents showing the Army lied about certain operations.

The crime is we got into a war over weapons that didn't exist, 5000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis died as a result.

So we are going to prosecute Manning, and Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld get a pass? Seriously?

I will say it one last time none of that changes the fact Manning made a decision that was not his to make.

So you are okay with teh government lying to us and making us hated around the world?

 

[Katzndogz]

obama GIVES weapons to a regime that sponsors terrorism and attacks Americans, so far, no hostages, just dead Americans. obama supports the muslim brotherhood and has members in his regime. By doing so, he absolutely diminishes whatever wrong North did.

Bradley Manning was in a sensitive position where he had access to the nation's secrets. He then took that information and made it public during a time of war. That is classic espionage. He did exactly what Julius and Ethel Rosenberg did when they gave information about the atomic bomb to the Soviets. They were executed, Manning should be executed. We weren't at war with the Soviet Union at the time, to make what the Rosenbergs did as bad as what Manning did, they would have given the information to the Nazis.

What North and Libby did, was more like what Kathleen Sebilius is doing. Congress cut off further funding for the Contras. Unable to secure additional funding to help the rebel Contra group fighting the Nicaraguan communist government, North and Libby sold arms to Iran. Sebilius is selling influence to private parties (who knows who they are) to secure funding for obamacare. Same thing. As it turned out for North and Libby, they ended up trading arms for the American hostages held by Iran.

So there seems to be some misunderstanding of what happened in the Iran/Contra, arms for hostages affair. The Contras weren't a terrorist group. They were a CIA operation, backed by American money and formed to fight against the communists in Nicaragua. We recruited them, we funded them, we trained them, we gave them weapons. Then, at just the crucial moment, Congress cut off funding. America is well known for pulling the rug out from under anyone who would be foolish enough to help us.

 

[blackhawk]

Again, if the government is lying to us, I think it loses any moral authority to demand loyalty.

The real crime is not that Manning released documents showing the Army lied about certain operations.

The crime is we got into a war over weapons that didn't exist, 5000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis died as a result.

So we are going to prosecute Manning, and Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld get a pass? Seriously?

I will say it one last time none of that changes the fact Manning made a decision that was not his to make.

So you are okay with teh government lying to us and making us hated around the world?

So your really ok with some making public information they have no right or authority to make public? If someone who disagrees with Obama policies does the same thing as Manning did you would support them.