Donald Trump All For Putting The Ten Commandments In Schools

[eagle1462010]

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Figure it out. LOL

 

[Foxfyre]

I'm quoting you to show the inconsistency in your reasoning.

Your argument that the Quran, the Tenets of Satanism, and the Pastafarian Commandments have had no influence in American values and therefore do not belong in the classroom. Constitutionally, why does this matter? They are just as legally allowed according to you, are they not?

I'm putting the two quotes of yours right next to each other so you can work out the inconsistency in your argument:

"I do not care what any individual says or how they regard it. I look to the Constitution. You yourself said those ten commandment in the classroom require no agreement, participation, contribution of ANY kind from you. Therefore constitutionally they are legal."

"The Quran, the Tenets of Satanism and the Pastafarian Commandments have had and now have no influence of American values, customs, culture or laws. The JudeoChristian concept including what are referred to as 'the Law of Moses' have been critical to the development and evolvement of those values, customs, culture and law."

Legally allowed yes. But validly posted as historical documents in American history? No. To demand their placement in the classroom does smack of religious coercion because there is no other reason for them to be there when discussing American history.

No reason the Ten Commandments should HAVE to be there either. Therefore I oppose the mandate not on any constitutional principle but just on plain common sense. I would just as strongly oppose any mandate saying they or any other historical document HAS to be there.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Legally allowed yes. But validly posted as historical documents in American history? No. To demand their placement in the classroom does smack of religious coercion because there is no other reason for them to be there when discussing American history.

No reason the Ten Commandments should HAVE to be there either. Therefore I oppose the mandate not on any constitutional principle but just on plain common sense. I would just as strongly oppose any mandate saying they or any other historical document HAS to be there.

"Legally allowed yes."

Great. Then it's settled. The Quran, Tenets of Satanism, and the Pastafarian Commandments go up right next to the Ten Commandments.

 

[Foxfyre]

nope----little kids do not have to deal with the DIFFERENCES on
the playground. Differences on the playground are NO DAMN
good

We aren't talking about differences on the playground though. We are talking about the posting of the Ten Commandments--a historical document--in the classroom. The document did not arise out of Christianity but out of Judaism. Yes the people of the New Testament accepted them as God's law and that continued once Christianity became a religion. And that has continued through all of western human history since including the establishment and evolvement of the customs, culture, values and laws of our own country whether or not anybody is of a different race, ethnicity or religion.

As long as the Ten Commandments are posted as a historical document and require no contribution or participation by any individual, they violate no principle of the U.S. Constitution or any other law.

 

[Foxfyre]

"Legally allowed yes."

Great. Then it's settled. The Quran, Tenets of Satanism, and the Pastafarian Commandments go up right next to the Ten Commandments.

If that's what the teacher and parents want fine. I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen though.

 

[22lcidw]

"Legally allowed yes."

Great. Then it's settled. The Quran, Tenets of Satanism, and the Pastafarian Commandments go up right next to the Ten Commandments.

Let's split the schools up into sections. Go send the kids where you want. So, kids can learn about the slave past for several courses a day as an example, while others learn Math, Science and English. So, we can end this.

 

[XponentialChaos]

If that's what the teacher and parents want fine. I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen though.

Doesn't matter. If they want the Ten Commandments legally mandated in classrooms, then these are going to be legally mandated right next to them.

 

[Foxfyre]

Doesn't matter. If they want the Ten Commandments legally mandated in classrooms, then these are going to be legally mandated right next to them.

If you want to be completely irrational go for it.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Here are a few examples of religions crashing in on others. If you allow one, you allow them all. Fine with me.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/04/673422143/satanic-sculpture-installed-at-illinois-statehouse-just-in-time-for-the-holidays

"The State of Illinois is required by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution to allow temporary, public displays in the state capitol so long as these displays are not paid for by taxpayer dollars. Because the first floor of the Capitol Rotunda is a public place, state officials cannot legally censor the content of speech or displays. The United States Supreme Court has held that public officials may legally impose reasonable time, place and manner restrictions regarding displays and speeches, but no regulation can be based on the content of the speech."

Flying Spaghetti Monster joins crowded holiday display at Wisconsin State Capitol

A college atheist group has set up a Flying Spaghetti Monster display at the Wisconsin State Capitol to make a point about religious expression on public property.The Atheists, Humanists, and Agnostics group at the University of Wisconsin set up the satirical religious display alongside a...

www.rawstory.com

Flying Spaghetti Monster to get display in Capitol

It's the latest group to put up irreverent displays in the first floor of the Florida Capitol to counter a Nativity scene placed there by a Christian group.

www.heraldtribune.com

 

[XponentialChaos]

If you want to be completely irrational go for it.

Gladly. See post 1049.

 

[Foxfyre]

Gladly. See post 1049.

You honestly think isolated incidents/events are part of American history that has formed our values, customs, culture, laws? Good grief man. You seriously need to get your money back for whatever education you think you got.

 

[XponentialChaos]

You honestly think isolated incidents/events are part of American history that has formed our values, customs, culture, laws? Good grief man. You seriously need to get your money back for whatever education you think you got.

Doesn't matter as long as it's legally allowed.

"Legally allowed yes."

 

[Foxfyre]

Doesn't matter as long as it's legally allowed.

"Legally allowed yes."

Sorry but since you seem to have no clue about what I have been arguing, you will obviously keep trying to make it into something else. And that is boring boring boring. Do have a pleasant day.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Sorry but since you seem to have no clue about what I have been arguing, you will obviously keep trying to make it into something else. And that is boring boring boring. Do have a pleasant day.

Your demand that it be relevant to America's historical values, laws, culture, etc, are not a legal requirement, as you said yourself: "Legally allowed yes." This makes your demands irrelevant.

If this is what you want, then this is what you're going to get (assuming it doesn't get struck down by the courts).

Enjoy.

Have a wonderful day.

 

[Foxfyre]

Your demand that it be relevant to America's historical values, laws, culture, etc, are not a legal requirement, as you said yourself: "Legally allowed yes." This makes your demands irrelevant.

If this is what you want, then this is what you're going to get (assuming it doesn't get struck down by the courts).

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Enjoy.

Have a wonderful day.

Again reading dysfunction seems to be chronic with the left. You'll be hard put to find any quote of mine in which I have demanded anything. I recommend a serious remedial reading comprehension class for you and many of your leftist friends. Again have a lovely afternoon.

 

[AsherN]

We aren't talking about differences on the playground though. We are talking about the posting of the Ten Commandments--a historical document--in the classroom. The document did not arise out of Christianity but out of Judaism. Yes the people of the New Testament accepted them as God's law and that continued once Christianity became a religion. And that has continued through all of western human history since including the establishment and evolvement of the customs, culture, values and laws of our own country whether or not anybody is of a different race, ethnicity or religion.

As long as the Ten Commandments are posted as a historical document and require no contribution or participation by any individual, they violate no principle of the U.S. Constitution or any other law.

And a lot of what is in TTC comes from the Code of Hamurabi.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Again reading dysfunction seems to be chronic with the left. You'll be hard put to find any quote of mine in which I have demanded anything. I recommend a serious remedial reading comprehension class for you and many of your leftist friends. Again have a lovely afternoon.

"You honestly think isolated incidents/events are part of American history that has formed our values, customs, culture, laws?"

"The Quran, the Tenets of Satanism and the Pastafarian Commandments have had and now have no influence of American values, customs, culture or laws."

You've been rambling about this for a while and I've done my best to be patient with you. But sometimes you people are so dense that I have to really spell things out for you. Do you know what irrelevant means? It means none of that matters. According to you, despite all of the time and effort you put into arguing against these things for those reasons, they're still legally allowed.

"Legally allowed yes."

Have a wonderful day. I recommend that you don't forget your helmet and as tempting as they are, don't eat the crayons.

 

[Foxfyre]

And a lot of what is in TTC comes from the Code of Hamurabi.

Hammurabi has had an influence on JudeoChristian beliefs yes. How much effect we cannot know for certain but given the history of that era, to think there was no influence at all would be a huge stretch.

 

[Frankenstein]

Posting a link wasn't enough?

Is it that you're for posting ancient Jewish law or you're against the Beatitudes?

Just to save your lazy ass a mouse click here they are:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

The hypocrisy of the MAGA Minions is endless!!!!

I meant post em in the schools

 

[Frankenstein]

"Legally allowed yes."

Great. Then it's settled. The Quran, Tenets of Satanism, and the Pastafarian Commandments go up right next to the Ten Commandments.

Negative! This country was founded on christian principles!