Donald Trump feels that loaded weapons should be allowed in elementary schools.

[idb]

What a depressing thread.
Arguing about the necessity of teachers in US schools to carry firearms in order to protect the children from other Americans.

It's not just to protect them from "other Americans" It is to protect them from non-Americans too, like thos ewho come here from other countries with the intention of killing Americans. And Muslim jihadists are NOT AMERICANS, even if they were born here. A true Muslim has no nationality, other then the Ummah (international community of Muslims)

You're right...it's a tragedy all those school shootings by Muslim jihadists.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Then again Bush Dubya did something far worse than that, and he got reelected by the public. So, history repeats itself, seems Hillary has the mandate to win.

So you're saying that now in 2016, you want to vote for a person who has damaged NATIONAL SECURITY to which it can NEVER be repaired ? You need to do some good, hard thinking about what you're advocating.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is people are a bunch of hypocrites and will criticize one candidate for something when they supported another candidate who did exactly the same thing only worse.

 

[protectionist]

You're right...it's a tragedy all those school shootings by Muslim jihadists.

So you're saying that Muslim jihadists have ruled out schools as being viable targets for them ? I hadn't heard anything like that. If you have, let's hear it.

PS - I KNOW I'm right. But thanks for the credit, anyway (it's the thought that counts)

 

[protectionist]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is people are a bunch of hypocrites and will criticize one candidate for something when they supported another candidate who did exactly the same thing only worse.

I see no case where anyone has done worse than exposing America's top secrets to the whole world, including enemies (ISIS, Iran, the Taliban, Mexico, North Korea, etc) I've even heard that American nuclear weapons codes were exposed, which could possibly render the US powerless against a nuclear attack.

And I don't see anyone having done anything as despicable as lying to the families of the 4 Benghazi dead men, about a political video being the cause, right when those men's bodies were being unloaded from the aircraft, bringing them back from Libya. Unbelievable evil.

Or the lies about not providing security to those men, when it was already factually established that Hillary did just that when Eric Nordstrom's requests were denied.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is people are a bunch of hypocrites and will criticize one candidate for something when they supported another candidate who did exactly the same thing only worse.

I see no case where anyone has done worse than exposing America's top secrets to the whole world, including enemies (ISIS, Iran, the Taliban, Mexico, North Korea, etc) I've even heard that American nuclear weapons codes were exposed, which could possibly render the US powerless against a nuclear attack.

And I don't see anyone having done anything as despicable as lying to the families of the 4 Benghazi dead men, about a political video being the cause, right when those men's bodies were being unloaded from the aircraft, bringing them back from Libya. Unbelievable evil.

Or the lies about not providing security to those men, when it was already factually established that Hillary did just that when Eric Nordstrom's requests were denied.

You don't huh?

I do. I see Dubya and his "War on Terror" which has basically been a case of creating terror in order to fight it.

How many terror attacks have there been simply because of this guy's actions? Quite a few. The world is less safe because of Dubya than Hillary.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Donald Trump feels that loaded weapons should be allowed in elementary schools.


Good. When law-abiding adults are allowed their freedom to own and carry, most still won't bother. But a few will. And some nutcase planning a Sandy Hook type massacre, hoping for tons of headlines after he's dead, will know that probably a few people nearby are armed... and he won't know which ones. And he knows he probably won't last beyond his first few shots, and so will only get a mention on Page 4 below the ads for cabbage. So he'll be less likely to pull his little scene in the first place.

How many kids that were killed at Sandy Hook, would still be alive today if Democrats hadn't forbidden all law-abiding citizens to defend the kids in their charge?

None. But you are free to continue the fantasy that guns in the hands of teachers are a panacea for gun violence in the schools.

Let's do this: The NRA ought to charge a minimum assessment to all of its members of $120.00 per year to select a someone in every classroom in your state who would be willing to be armed on campus (or a parent, custodian, volunteer); provide each with a proper firearm once they have been trained, evaluated by a psychologist and determined to be a sane and sober person.. Then continue this study for five years and see what outcome might transpire.

That would be the end of the Democratic Party.

Oh, so ptbw eschews a study, and believed he(?) is prescient and Knows the future. Typical of the dumb shits who dominate the Crazy Right Wing.

I am principally left wing dipshit, and there is no actual study.

If there was an actual study on gun owning teachers who carry in the classroom and their mental and psychological state, the anti-gun nonsense spewed by the idiotic modern day left would die out completely and it would be a losing issue even in shitholes like California.

F off. The far left and the far right are the Yin and Yang of the Idiot fringe.

 

[idb]

You're right...it's a tragedy all those school shootings by Muslim jihadists.

So you're saying that Muslim jihadists have ruled out schools as being viable targets for them ? I hadn't heard anything like that. If you have, let's hear it.

PS - I KNOW I'm right. But thanks for the credit, anyway (it's the thought that counts)

Indonesia has the biggest Muslim population of any country...I wonder if the reason there are so few school shootings there is because there are so few Americans?

 

[protectionist]

You don't huh?

I do. I see Dubya and his "War on Terror" which has basically been a case of creating terror in order to fight it.

How many terror attacks have there been simply because of this guy's actions? Quite a few. The world is less safe because of Dubya than Hillary.

1. No. Of course I don't Nothing could be worse than American nuclear weapons codes being exposed, which could possibly render the US powerless against a nuclear attack.

2. .I don't see the GW Bush Iraq war as something bad at all. The whole time it went on there was al Qaeda in Iraq, led by al Zarqawi, which later evolved into ISIS (the worst threat America has ever had) If the Iraq war had continued after 2011, there would be no ISIS. Bush was proven right, and he warned that something like ISIS would happen, and it did.

3. No, the world is less safe because of Obama pulling out of Iraq, and because of Hillary's lousy State Dept work favoring Libyan rebels and the Muslim Brotherhood, and denying aid to the 4 guys who got killed in Benghazi. Who is less safe than those guys ?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You don't huh?

I do. I see Dubya and his "War on Terror" which has basically been a case of creating terror in order to fight it.

How many terror attacks have there been simply because of this guy's actions? Quite a few. The world is less safe because of Dubya than Hillary.

1. No. Of course I don't Nothing could be worse than American nuclear weapons codes being exposed, which could possibly render the US powerless against a nuclear attack.

2. .I don't see the GW Bush Iraq war as something bad at all. The whole time it went on there was al Qaeda in Iraq, led by al Zarqawi, which later evolved into ISIS (the worst threat America has ever had) If the Iraq war had continued after 2011, there would be no ISIS. Bush was proven right, and he warned that something like ISIS would happen, and it did.

3. No, the world is less safe because of Obama pulling out of Iraq, and because of Hillary's lousy State Dept work favoring Libyan rebels and the Muslim Brotherhood, and denying aid to the 4 guys who got killed in Benghazi. Who is less safe than those guys ?

If the codes have been exposed, you can make new codes. It's not difficult.

There is much worse than having to change the codes for nukes. Like making a new enemy.

You don't see the war as bad. Well, hardly surprising, it allows the right play the game they love, which is to put the fear of the enemy into the people, so they can be controlled and manipulated to their hearts content.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq and if you believe that Bullshit, you'll believe anything. Saddam did not allow al Qaeda into his country. That is pure fact.

Bush was "proven right" by the very people he sent off to go and prove that he was right, only they made the stuff up. It's been proven it was made up, there are tons of documents to prove that.

As for number 3, jeezus effing krist. Are you fucking serious? You must live in some fantasy world.

 

[protectionist]

Indonesia has the biggest Muslim population of any country...I wonder if the reason there are so few school shootings there is because there are so few Americans?

I would imagine that to be correct. If there were more (or any) Americans there. they would probably be attacked.

 

[protectionist]

If the codes have been exposed, you can make new codes. It's not difficult.

There is much worse than having to change the codes for nukes. Like making a new enemy.

You don't see the war as bad. Well, hardly surprising, it allows the right play the game they love, which is to put the fear of the enemy into the people, so they can be controlled and manipulated to their hearts content.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq and if you believe that Bullshit, you'll believe anything. Saddam did not allow al Qaeda into his country. That is pure fact.

Bush was "proven right" by the very people he sent off to go and prove that he was right, only they made the stuff up. It's been proven it was made up, there are tons of documents to prove that.

As for number 3, jeezus effing krist. Are you fucking serious? You must live in some fantasy world.

1. We do not know the extent of how much danger we have been put in, and how much harm has been done by highest level top secret information being exposed. This is pure TREASON for which Hillary should be arrested, convicted, and executed. The fact that she is running for president is a testament to how truly degenerate this country has become.

2. The game the left loves is to cover the danger of the enemy (the international jihad) and it's capability to annihilate America with nuclear and biological weapons, and thereby invite more and more of these lunatics into the country, so they can gain VOTES (they think)

3. No al Qaeda in Iraq ? Pheeeeww!! high-pitched whistle; eyes rolling around in head) I know MSNBC, PBS and the other liberal media omit massive amounts of information, and engage in deliberate DISinformation, buy I didn't know it was that bad and ridiculous. Boy, do you ever not know what you're talking about. Saddam left office in April of 2003. He died in 2006. Al Qaeda in Iraq led by Zarqawi was active from 2003 (when Saddam left) up until 2010, despite a number of leader changes, when the group in 2010 began to morph in what we know know as ISIS. This study by CSIS (Center for Strategic & International Studies - Homeland Security & Counterterrorism Program Transnational Threats Project) can fill you in on the details. I suggest you read it, so as to not make any further fool out of yourself than you have already.

https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/...publication/110614_Kirdar_AlQaedaIraq_Web.pdf

 

[Weatherman2020]

Trump wants guns in classrooms — maybe

On Friday, speaking at the National Rifle Association's annual convention, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee said that he, as president, would do away with all gun-free zones. Schools are, of course, gun-free zones, and Trump had said on a previous occasion, "I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools."

After the NRA speech, Hillary Clinton called Trump out for saying he would allow guns in classrooms, which are rooms that exist in schools.

Donald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’



To clear things up, Trump went on Fox News on Sunday and said this:

"I don't want to have guns in classrooms. Although, in some cases, teachers should have guns in classrooms. … Things that are going on in our schools are unbelievable. You look at some of our schools, unbelievable what's going on. But I'm not advocating guns in classrooms. But remember, in some cases, and a lot of people have made this case, teachers should be able to have guns. Trained teachers should be able to have guns."

How much clearer can the man be? He doesn't want guns in classrooms, Clinton is a liar for saying so, but he does think there should be guns in classrooms, but he's not advocating for them, but he thinks they should be there.

-----------------------------------------

I think it was all a suggestion except when it wasn't. That should clear things up nicely.

A. You're a bastard for making me side with Trump.
B. My dad and his friends routinely took their rifles to school to go hunting afterwards.
C. He was refering to the adults.
D. Great tool for a teacher to show to the a hole brats interrupting the class.

 

[jillian]

Trump wants guns in classrooms — maybe

On Friday, speaking at the National Rifle Association's annual convention, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee said that he, as president, would do away with all gun-free zones. Schools are, of course, gun-free zones, and Trump had said on a previous occasion, "I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools."

After the NRA speech, Hillary Clinton called Trump out for saying he would allow guns in classrooms, which are rooms that exist in schools.

Donald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’



To clear things up, Trump went on Fox News on Sunday and said this:

"I don't want to have guns in classrooms. Although, in some cases, teachers should have guns in classrooms. … Things that are going on in our schools are unbelievable. You look at some of our schools, unbelievable what's going on. But I'm not advocating guns in classrooms. But remember, in some cases, and a lot of people have made this case, teachers should be able to have guns. Trained teachers should be able to have guns."

How much clearer can the man be? He doesn't want guns in classrooms, Clinton is a liar for saying so, but he does think there should be guns in classrooms, but he's not advocating for them, but he thinks they should be there.

-----------------------------------------

I think it was all a suggestion except when it wasn't. That should clear things up nicely.

trump doesn't "believe" anything (well, except for insane conspiracy theories)

suggestion? that's what trump says about everything after he speaks from his butt.

you people are funny.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Is Trump insulting the GOP for not allowing weapons in their convention, yet?

 

[frigidweirdo]

If the codes have been exposed, you can make new codes. It's not difficult.

There is much worse than having to change the codes for nukes. Like making a new enemy.

You don't see the war as bad. Well, hardly surprising, it allows the right play the game they love, which is to put the fear of the enemy into the people, so they can be controlled and manipulated to their hearts content.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq and if you believe that Bullshit, you'll believe anything. Saddam did not allow al Qaeda into his country. That is pure fact.

Bush was "proven right" by the very people he sent off to go and prove that he was right, only they made the stuff up. It's been proven it was made up, there are tons of documents to prove that.

As for number 3, jeezus effing krist. Are you fucking serious? You must live in some fantasy world.

1. We do not know the extent of how much danger we have been put in, and how much harm has been done by highest level top secret information being exposed. This is pure TREASON for which Hillary should be arrested, convicted, and executed. The fact that she is running for president is a testament to how truly degenerate this country has become.

2. The game the left loves is to cover the danger of the enemy (the international jihad) and it's capability to annihilate America with nuclear and biological weapons, and thereby invite more and more of these lunatics into the country, so they can gain VOTES (they think)

3. No al Qaeda in Iraq ? Pheeeeww!! high-pitched whistle; eyes rolling around in head) I know MSNBC, PBS and the other liberal media omit massive amounts of information, and engage in deliberate DISinformation, buy I didn't know it was that bad and ridiculous. Boy, do you ever not know what you're talking about. Saddam left office in April of 2003. He died in 2006. Al Qaeda in Iraq led by Zarqawi was active from 2003 (when Saddam left) up until 2010, despite a number of leader changes, when the group in 2010 began to morph in what we know know as ISIS. This study by CSIS (Center for Strategic & International Studies - Homeland Security & Counterterrorism Program Transnational Threats Project) can fill you in on the details. I suggest you read it, so as to not make any further fool out of yourself than you have already.

https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/...publication/110614_Kirdar_AlQaedaIraq_Web.pdf

So, you don't know how much harm the US has been put in by what Hillary has done. You don't know if lots of damage has been done, or if NO damage has been done. Yet you're pushing it for all it's worth, right?

We DO know how much damage has been done by Dubya. London bombings, Madrid bombing, Brussels, Paris, and then there are the ones in the US, like San Bernadino, Chattanooga etc.

As for number 2, Islam is becoming the enemy of the US, simply because the right MADE Islam the enemy of the US. This put the US in a lot of danger. Sure, there was danger from extremist Islam before Bush, that had a lot to do with US foreign policy since the end of WW2. But the level of increase between 2001 and 2008 was incredible (in a very bad way).

But, like I said before, the right will do this, create the enemy, make the fear and then use it to keep the people down. They can get rid of those rights they don't feel are convenient for them, while claiming to be the ones protecting rights, they can justify increased military spending, torture and all of this. It's ridiculous, and you're willing to let this happen, in fact, it seems you support such a strategy.

Number 3. Oh my word. I can't believe you're talking about Iraq from 2003 to 2006 as if Saddam were in charge. He wasn't.

Saddam's Iraq ended in 2003. Up to the time when Saddam left, there was NO AL QAEDA. You haven't proven anything, and you won't be able to prove anything. In US led Iraq there was al Qaeda, simply said, Saddam stopped al Qaeda, the US allowed al Qaeda into Iraq.

I won't be having you making shit up in this debate.

 

[protectionist]

So, you don't know how much harm the US has been put in by what Hillary has done. You don't know if lots of damage has been done, or if NO damage has been done. Yet you're pushing it for all it's worth, right?

We DO know how much damage has been done by Dubya. London bombings, Madrid bombing, Brussels, Paris, and then there are the ones in the US, like San Bernadino, Chattanooga etc.

As for number 2, Islam is becoming the enemy of the US, simply because the right MADE Islam the enemy of the US. This put the US in a lot of danger. Sure, there was danger from extremist Islam before Bush, that had a lot to do with US foreign policy since the end of WW2. But the level of increase between 2001 and 2008 was incredible (in a very bad way).

But, like I said before, the right will do this, create the enemy, make the fear and then use it to keep the people down. They can get rid of those rights they don't feel are convenient for them, while claiming to be the ones protecting rights, they can justify increased military spending, torture and all of this. It's ridiculous, and you're willing to let this happen, in fact, it seems you support such a strategy.

Number 3. Oh my word. I can't believe you're talking about Iraq from 2003 to 2006 as if Saddam were in charge. He wasn't.

Saddam's Iraq ended in 2003. Up to the time when Saddam left, there was NO AL QAEDA. You haven't proven anything, and you won't be able to prove anything. In US led Iraq there was al Qaeda, simply said, Saddam stopped al Qaeda, the US allowed al Qaeda into Iraq.

I won't be having you making shit up in this debate.

It is undeniable that exposing top secret US intelligence to the world is MASSIVE harm. I KNOW lots of damage has been done, and so does everything else, including you so don't play dumb. Whether or not one knows the particular details of it is irrelevant. Yes, of course I'm pushing it for all it's worth, which is the survival of THe USA, and YOU KNOW IT.

And the terrorist attacks you cite are Obama's fault, due to his weakness, INACTION, pull-out from Iraq, and failure to crush the intl jihad. Bush has nothing to do with them.

Islam has ALWAYS been the enemy of all western civilization since it began in the 7th century. It has been fighting for world domination since then and it has never ceased. Nothing the US has done or not done make a damn bit of difference. You don't know your ass from your elbow about all this ..All you know are a few stupid, long worn-out, talking points that your liberal masters feed you and you respond like Pavlov's dog.

HA HA HA. Oh, no the right is creating the enemy. That's really cute. And you're wrong about "level of increase" between 2001 and 2008. Since 2008, we've had Fort Hood (twice). the Boston Marathon, San Bernardino, Muhammad Ali Brown, Alton Nolen, etc etc,

Just look at all this sample of attacks just since 2011 >>


April 30, 2011 – Rahim Abdul Alfetlawi, 46, shot his step-daughter in the head at point-blank range in Warren,Michigan, after she refused to strictly adhere to Muslim customs. The family claimed the motive was not religion.

Sept. 11, 2011 – Three Jewish men are discovered in Waltham, Massachusetts, with their throats slit from ear to ear and nearly decapitated. Authorities believed the murders were not random, and thousands of dollars in cash and marijuana were left at the scene. According to reports, authorities believe Boston Marathon bombers Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his younger brother, both Muslims, may have been responsible for the triple homicide.

Jan. 15, 2012 – A Jordanian Muslim man, Ali Mahwood-Awad Irsan, 57, gunned down Iranian medical student, Gelareh Bagherzadeh, a friend of his daughter and a Christian convert who widely denounced Islam. He later killed his Christian son-in-law after his daughter married him without permission. Assistant Harris County District Attorney Tammy Thomas told a district judge, “He said, ‘I killed that b–ch, and you’re next. No one insults my honor as a Muslim and gets away with it.'”

Dec. 11, 2012 - A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.

Feb. 7, 2013 – Yusuf Ibrahim, 28, shot two Coptic Christians to death and beheaded them in Buena Vista, New Jersey. He also removed their hands before burying their bodies in the backyard of an abandoned house. Quran 8:12 states, “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!”

March 31, 2013 – Reshad Riddle walked into an Ashtabula, Ohio, church and fatally shot his father after an Easter service. After the shooting, witnesses say, walked through the church holding the gun and shouted that the slaughter was “the will of Allah. This is the will of God.”

April 15, 2013 – Muslim Chechen brothers Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev detonate two pressure cooker bombs during the Boston Marathon, killing three people and injuring an estimated 264 others. After the bombing, they killed an MIT policeman, stole an SUV and exchanged gunfire with police. Tamerlan was shot and his brother drove over him with the stolen SUV. Tamerlan was pronounced dead at the scene. After a manhunt, police found Dzhokhar hiding in a boat in a man’s backyard. Dzokhar has been sentenced to death.

Aug. 4, 2013 – A Muslim convert, Daymond Agnew, 34, went to an Ace Hardware store on a “mission from Allah to help people” before he fatally stabbed employee Daniel Joseph Stone 17 times.

March 6, 2014 – Registered sex offender James Cosby, 46, is accused of bludgeoning his lesbian daughter to death and shooting her lover in Port Bolivar, Texas. Police believe he then dumped the bodies near a ferry gate. In his bedroom, Cosby had the Quran open to a page that says homosexuality is a sin, family advocate Quanell X told KHOU-TV. “It’s quite unfortunate but he had a real, real warped understanding, in my opinion, of the religion of Islam and its position on the gay lifestyle and what one should do,” Quanell X said.

April 27, 2014 – A 30-year-old Muslim man, Ali Muhammad Brown, is accused of shooting to death two men in Seattle, Washington and a man in New Jersey. According to local reports, he told police the killings were “vengeance” for U.S. actions in the Mideast. According to court documents, he said they were “just kills” and that he was “just doing my small part” as a self-styled jihadist.

June 1, 2014 - Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist, in Washington state.

Sept. 25, 2014 – Alton Nolen is accused of beheading a woman in Moore, Oklahoma. Co-workers reported that Nolen had been trying to convert them to Islam. Nolen reportedly used “some Arabic terms” during his attack and had an interest in beheadings. Nolen told a judge, “I’m Muslim. My question is, do you have any Muslims that can represent me as a Muslim?”

December 18, 2014 - A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head, in Morganton, North Carolina, by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.

May 3, 2015 – In Garland, Texas, Pamela Geller, along with her group the American Freedom Defense Initiative, hosted a “Draw Muhammad” event. Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi of Phoenix responded to a call to “avenge the prophet” and traveled to Garland, where they were shot and killed by a security guard after opening fire in an apparent attempt to get into the building. The guard was wounded in the attack. Islamic radicals have since called for Geller’s head, and vow to kill anyone who “blasphemes” Muhammad.

July 16, 2015 – Four U.S. Marines have been shot dead in an attack, reportedly by a lone Islamic gunman, on U.S. Navy facilities in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Chattanooga Mayor Andy Berke said five people died in all, including the gunman. Two law enforcement sources told CBS News that the shooting suspect was identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, 24. Abdulazeez was born in Kuwait and emigrated to the U.S. where he reportedly became a naturalized U.S. citizen.

The FBI is investigating two crime scenes, a Navy recruiting center at a strip mall where the first shots were fired, and a Navy reserve center about 7 miles away. More than 100 rounds were reportedly fired in a shootout with police at the recruitment center parking lot. The shooter then drove to the Navy reserve center and started shooting Marines, four of whom were killed. The Marines would not have been armed at a reserve Navy installation or at a recruitment center, both of which were described as “soft targets.”

The four Marines who were fatally shot reportedly were attacked at the Navy Reserve Center on Amnicola Highway. A police officer at the first location was injured and was being treated at a local hospital for a gunshot wound to the ankle.

Dec. 2, 2015 - A 'very religious' Muslim couple, connected to ISIS, shoot up a Christmas party , leaving fourteen dead, in San Bernardino, California.

Note: These are only attacks in which fatalities occurred in inside the US. Attacks outside the US number well into the hundreds, with as many as 300 killed in one ISIS attack alone in Syria. An attack in Lahore, Pakistan recently killed 70, right after the ISIS Brussels attack which killed 35, and the Paris attack which killed 130.

Islamic Attacks on America

BIG LIST of Muslim terror attacks in U.S. since 9/11

Like I said before, the left will pretend there is no danger, and in so doing, leave us unprotected and vulnerale, with dangerous military reductions, allowing foreigners (unvetted) to stream into the country (ISIS among them).
It's ridiculous, and you're willing to let this happen, in fact, it seems you support such a strategy.

Do you have reading comprehension problems ? No ? The why do you say THIS >> ".I can't believe you're talking about Iraq from 2003 to 2006 as if Saddam were in charge. He wasn't." Right after I told you that Saddam left office in 2003. You need to read more carefully.

As for when there was or wasn't al Qaeda in Iraq, the critical thing now is that there was no ISIS in Iraq or Syria before Obama took over. It grew into what it is solely from the time of Obama;s idiotic pullout of US troops in 2011. He allowed the takeovers of Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul, et al, which US troops died to liberate a few years earlier, He should be executed for treason.

And I'm not making anything up, as much you may pretend that I am. Looks like you didn't do your reading. I gave you a good link to read in Post # 191. You need to read it. READ BABY! READ!

https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/...publication/110614_Kirdar_AlQaedaIraq_Web.pdf

 

[protectionist]

trump doesn't "believe" anything (well, except for insane conspiracy theories)

suggestion? that's what trump says about everything after he speaks from his butt.

you people are funny.

You don't know his policies because you have't taken the time to examine them. You wanna take a quiz, to show how much you don't know ?

 

[frigidweirdo]

If the codes have been exposed, you can make new codes. It's not difficult.

There is much worse than having to change the codes for nukes. Like making a new enemy.

You don't see the war as bad. Well, hardly surprising, it allows the right play the game they love, which is to put the fear of the enemy into the people, so they can be controlled and manipulated to their hearts content.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq and if you believe that Bullshit, you'll believe anything. Saddam did not allow al Qaeda into his country. That is pure fact.

Bush was "proven right" by the very people he sent off to go and prove that he was right, only they made the stuff up. It's been proven it was made up, there are tons of documents to prove that.

As for number 3, jeezus effing krist. Are you fucking serious? You must live in some fantasy world.

1. We do not know the extent of how much danger we have been put in, and how much harm has been done by highest level top secret information being exposed. This is pure TREASON for which Hillary should be arrested, convicted, and executed. The fact that she is running for president is a testament to how truly degenerate this country has become.

2. The game the left loves is to cover the danger of the enemy (the international jihad) and it's capability to annihilate America with nuclear and biological weapons, and thereby invite more and more of these lunatics into the country, so they can gain VOTES (they think)

3. No al Qaeda in Iraq ? Pheeeeww!! high-pitched whistle; eyes rolling around in head) I know MSNBC, PBS and the other liberal media omit massive amounts of information, and engage in deliberate DISinformation, buy I didn't know it was that bad and ridiculous. Boy, do you ever not know what you're talking about. Saddam left office in April of 2003. He died in 2006. Al Qaeda in Iraq led by Zarqawi was active from 2003 (when Saddam left) up until 2010, despite a number of leader changes, when the group in 2010 began to morph in what we know know as ISIS. This study by CSIS (Center for Strategic & International Studies - Homeland Security & Counterterrorism Program Transnational Threats Project) can fill you in on the details. I suggest you read it, so as to not make any further fool out of yourself than you have already.

https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/...publication/110614_Kirdar_AlQaedaIraq_Web.pdf

So, you don't know how much harm the US has been put in by what Hillary has done. You don't know if lots of damage has been done, or if NO damage has been done. Yet you're pushing it for all it's worth, right?

We DO know how much damage has been done by Dubya. London bombings, Madrid bombing, Brussels, Paris, and then there are the ones in the US, like San Bernadino, Chattanooga etc.

As for number 2, Islam is becoming the enemy of the US, simply because the right MADE Islam the enemy of the US. This put the US in a lot of danger. Sure, there was danger from extremist Islam before Bush, that had a lot to do with US foreign policy since the end of WW2. But the level of increase between 2001 and 2008 was incredible (in a very bad way).

But, like I said before, the right will do this, create the enemy, make the fear and then use it to keep the people down. They can get rid of those rights they don't feel are convenient for them, while claiming to be the ones protecting rights, they can justify increased military spending, torture and all of this. It's ridiculous, and you're willing to let this happen, in fact, it seems you support such a strategy.

Number 3. Oh my word. I can't believe you're talking about Iraq from 2003 to 2006 as if Saddam were in charge. He wasn't.

Saddam's Iraq ended in 2003. Up to the time when Saddam left, there was NO AL QAEDA. You haven't proven anything, and you won't be able to prove anything. In US led Iraq there was al Qaeda, simply said, Saddam stopped al Qaeda, the US allowed al Qaeda into Iraq.

I won't be having you making shit up in this debate.

It is undeniable that exposing top secret US intelligence to the world is MASSIVE harm. I KNOW lots of damage has been done, and so does everything else, including you so don't play dumb. Whether or not one knows the particular details of it is irrelevant. Yes, of course I'm pushing it for all it's worth, which is the survival of THe USA, and YOU KNOW IT.

And the terrorist attacks you cite are Obama's fault, due to his weakness, pull out from Iraq, and failure to crush the intl jihad. Bush has nothing to do with them.

Islam has ALWAYS been the enemy of all western civilization since it began in the 7th century. It has been fighting for world domination since then and it has never ceased. Nothing the US has done or not done make a damn bit of difference. You don't know your ass from your elbow about all this ..All you know are a few stupid, long worn-out, talking points that your liberal masters feed you and you respond like Pavlov's dog.

HA HA HA. Oh, no the right is creating the enemy. That's really cute. And you're wrong about "level of increase" between 2001 and 2008. Since 2008, we've had Fort Hood (twice). the Boston Marathon, San Bernardino, Muhammad Ali Brown, Alton Nolen, etc etc,

Just look at all this sample of attacks just since 2011 >>


April 30, 2011 – Rahim Abdul Alfetlawi, 46, shot his step-daughter in the head at point-blank range in Warren,Michigan, after she refused to strictly adhere to Muslim customs. The family claimed the motive was not religion.

Sept. 11, 2011 – Three Jewish men are discovered in Waltham, Massachusetts, with their throats slit from ear to ear and nearly decapitated. Authorities believed the murders were not random, and thousands of dollars in cash and marijuana were left at the scene. According to reports, authorities believe Boston Marathon bombers Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his younger brother, both Muslims, may have been responsible for the triple homicide.

Jan. 15, 2012 – A Jordanian Muslim man, Ali Mahwood-Awad Irsan, 57, gunned down Iranian medical student, Gelareh Bagherzadeh, a friend of his daughter and a Christian convert who widely denounced Islam. He later killed his Christian son-in-law after his daughter married him without permission. Assistant Harris County District Attorney Tammy Thomas told a district judge, “He said, ‘I killed that b–ch, and you’re next. No one insults my honor as a Muslim and gets away with it.'”

Dec. 11, 2012 - A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.

Feb. 7, 2013 – Yusuf Ibrahim, 28, shot two Coptic Christians to death and beheaded them in Buena Vista, New Jersey. He also removed their hands before burying their bodies in the backyard of an abandoned house. Quran 8:12 states, “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!”

March 31, 2013 – Reshad Riddle walked into an Ashtabula, Ohio, church and fatally shot his father after an Easter service. After the shooting, witnesses say, walked through the church holding the gun and shouted that the slaughter was “the will of Allah. This is the will of God.”

April 15, 2013 – Muslim Chechen brothers Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev detonate two pressure cooker bombs during the Boston Marathon, killing three people and injuring an estimated 264 others. After the bombing, they killed an MIT policeman, stole an SUV and exchanged gunfire with police. Tamerlan was shot and his brother drove over him with the stolen SUV. Tamerlan was pronounced dead at the scene. After a manhunt, police found Dzhokhar hiding in a boat in a man’s backyard. Dzokhar has been sentenced to death.

Aug. 4, 2013 – A Muslim convert, Daymond Agnew, 34, went to an Ace Hardware store on a “mission from Allah to help people” before he fatally stabbed employee Daniel Joseph Stone 17 times.

March 6, 2014 – Registered sex offender James Cosby, 46, is accused of bludgeoning his lesbian daughter to death and shooting her lover in Port Bolivar, Texas. Police believe he then dumped the bodies near a ferry gate. In his bedroom, Cosby had the Quran open to a page that says homosexuality is a sin, family advocate Quanell X told KHOU-TV. “It’s quite unfortunate but he had a real, real warped understanding, in my opinion, of the religion of Islam and its position on the gay lifestyle and what one should do,” Quanell X said.

April 27, 2014 – A 30-year-old Muslim man, Ali Muhammad Brown, is accused of shooting to death two men in Seattle, Washington and a man in New Jersey. According to local reports, he told police the killings were “vengeance” for U.S. actions in the Mideast. According to court documents, he said they were “just kills” and that he was “just doing my small part” as a self-styled jihadist.

June 1, 2014 - Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist, in Washington state.

Sept. 25, 2014 – Alton Nolen is accused of beheading a woman in Moore, Oklahoma. Co-workers reported that Nolen had been trying to convert them to Islam. Nolen reportedly used “some Arabic terms” during his attack and had an interest in beheadings. Nolen told a judge, “I’m Muslim. My question is, do you have any Muslims that can represent me as a Muslim?”

December 18, 2014 - A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head, in Morganton, North Carolina, by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.

May 3, 2015 – In Garland, Texas, Pamela Geller, along with her group the American Freedom Defense Initiative, hosted a “Draw Muhammad” event. Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi of Phoenix responded to a call to “avenge the prophet” and traveled to Garland, where they were shot and killed by a security guard after opening fire in an apparent attempt to get into the building. The guard was wounded in the attack. Islamic radicals have since called for Geller’s head, and vow to kill anyone who “blasphemes” Muhammad.

July 16, 2015 – Four U.S. Marines have been shot dead in an attack, reportedly by a lone Islamic gunman, on U.S. Navy facilities in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Chattanooga Mayor Andy Berke said five people died in all, including the gunman. Two law enforcement sources told CBS News that the shooting suspect was identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, 24. Abdulazeez was born in Kuwait and emigrated to the U.S. where he reportedly became a naturalized U.S. citizen.

The FBI is investigating two crime scenes, a Navy recruiting center at a strip mall where the first shots were fired, and a Navy reserve center about 7 miles away. More than 100 rounds were reportedly fired in a shootout with police at the recruitment center parking lot. The shooter then drove to the Navy reserve center and started shooting Marines, four of whom were killed. The Marines would not have been armed at a reserve Navy installation or at a recruitment center, both of which were described as “soft targets.”

The four Marines who were fatally shot reportedly were attacked at the Navy Reserve Center on Amnicola Highway. A police officer at the first location was injured and was being treated at a local hospital for a gunshot wound to the ankle.

Dec. 2, 2015 - A 'very religious' Muslim couple, connected to ISIS, shoot up a Christmas party , leaving fourteen dead, in San Bernardino, California.

Note: These are only attacks in which fatalities occurred in inside the US. Attacks outside the US number well into the hundreds, with as many as 300 killed in one ISIS attack alone in Syria. An attack in Lahore, Pakistan recently killed 70, right after the ISIS Brussels attack which killed 35, and the Paris attack which killed 130.

Islamic Attacks on America

BIG LIST of Muslim terror attacks in U.S. since 9/11

Like I said before, the left will pretend there is no danger, and in so doing, leave us unprotected and vulnerale, with dangerous military reductions, allowing foreigners (unvetted) to stream into the country (ISIS among them).
It's ridiculous, and you're willing to let this happen, in fact, it seems you support such a strategy.

Do you have reading comprehension problems ? No ? The why do you say THIS >> ".I can't believe you're talking about Iraq from 2003 to 2006 as if Saddam were in charge. He wasn't." Right after I told you that Saddam left office in 2003. You need to read more carefully.

As for when there was or wasn't al Qaeda in Iraq, the critical thing now is that there was no ISIS in Iraq or Syria before Obama took over. It grew into what it is solely from the time of Obama;s idiotic pullout of US troops in 2011. He allowed the takeovers of Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul, et al, which US troops died to liberate a few years earlier, He should be executed for treason.

And I'm not making anything up, as much you may pretend that I am. Looks like you didn't do your reading. I gave you a good link to read in Post # 191. You need to read it. READ BABY! READ!

https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/...publication/110614_Kirdar_AlQaedaIraq_Web.pdf

But then again, it depends whether anyone actually found any of these secrets, doesn't it? You haven't shown any example of any other country or any unauthorized person seeing these documents, have you?

You "know" lots of damage has been done. Okay, then prove it. Show me which documents Hillary had on her files, that have been made public or made know to other countries, and you show me where they have done any damage with relevant proof. Because, as you said you "KNOW" this is true, so it'll be easy for you to prove it.



As for Obama's "weakness" in pulling out of Iraq. It's a stupid argument and I won't discuss it. You're wrong.

Islam hasn't always been the enemy of the west. Your history is rather poor.

As for your argument about post 2008, again, this is a poor argument. Just because Obama is president, doesn't mean all the damage that Bush did between 2001 and 2008 suddenly stops doing damage.


The left pretend there is not danger? Really? I know there is danger. I know that without the invasion of Iraq there'd be less danger now than there currently is.

 

[frigidweirdo]

trump doesn't "believe" anything (well, except for insane conspiracy theories)

suggestion? that's what trump says about everything after he speaks from his butt.

you people are funny.

You don't know his policies because you have't taken the time to examine them. You wanna take a quiz, to show how much you don't know ?

Trump doesn't have any policies. Having taken the time to look at what Trump has been saying, I know that he turned around and said they were "suggestions". Basically he says something, hopes for popular support with it, if he doesn't get it he backtracks, simply said, he doesn't have a view point other than "Trump, Trump, Trump".

 

[protectionist]

Is Trump insulting the GOP for not allowing weapons in their convention, yet?

Weapons can be restricted IF &WHEN there is an abundance of armed security (police, security guards, secret service) But that is not normally the case in most places that are gun-free zones (as we saw in Paris, Brussels, and San Bernardino)