Electric Cars as Toxic as Dirty Diesel!

[Crick]

Electric, hybrid and other eco-friendly cars fill the air with as many toxins as dirty diesels say scientists

Only if you IGNORE WHAT IS COMING OUT OF THEIR ENGINES

 

[Old Rocks]

The coming shift to EV's has our 'Conservatives' tits in a real twist. The very idea of a homeowner being able to independently power his own home and vehicle just tears them up. What will those energy billionaires ever do if people create their own fuel at home?

 

[Crick]

At best, electric cars need extra charging stations, every home now needs a charging station, no more will we have 40,000 people sharing a gas station, each person gets there own gas station, or charging station.

That charging station is the 220V outlet already sitting in your garage.

 

[elektra]

That charging station is the 220V outlet already sitting in your garage.

Learn to quote moron, and separate your comment out of mine!

Crick, if you had a brain you would not be posting in favor of Green, Clean, Renewable, Sustainable garbage nor would you post as if you knew about AGW.

You need a charging station, you need an electrician to come in and put an outlet in your garage, you need to pull a permit, you need a system designed, you need a new circuit breaker box.

People believe you just plug electric cars in, like a cell phone? What idiots. First, is your house single phase, double phase, or triple phase and what is the requirement for a Tesla car? Do you have single phase 50 amp? Or do you have double phase 50 amp? Are you pumping ground water? Can your house handle your charger and a pump for ground water? And an air conditioner?

Most homes are single phase, most homes do not have a 240 volt, 3 phase circuit. I bet none do, unless somebody added it after the house is built.

You can go to the Tesla site and the information is vague, it says you can plug into a 110 volt outlet but kind of does not specify that it best be a 50 amp circuit. This is not as easy as pie, Crick.

Tesla says they have a 110 volt 10 kw system, I am not sure on the technical details but that may draw upwards of 100 amps? Unless the charging unit contains a capacitor type of circuitry and cycles on/off.

Either way, Tesla will make it clear that you need an electrician before you drive your Tesla home! No electrician, and you will be burning your house down, guaranteed.

Here is a pic of the outlet, that Crick thinks is in every garage in the good ole usa. That would be 110, 50 amp, you just do not plug a 110 amp 50 amp load onto any old 110 outlet.

Technically, you need a 240 amp, 3 phase 100 amp circuit.
Tesla Charging | Tesla Motors

 

[elektra]

Electric, hybrid and other eco-friendly cars fill the air with as many toxins as dirty diesels say scientists

Only if you IGNORE WHAT IS COMING OUT OF THEIR ENGINES

Not according to the Scientists, and you listen to Science, right! Hell Crick, you think a Prius is an electric car!

 

[Old Rocks]

How to Install a Home Electric Car Charger

Pick Your Charger
Aside from Teslas, EVs and plug-ins in the U.S. use the SAE-standard J1772 plug. Although they work about the same way, not all chargers are created equal.

Cost: Level 2 chargers range in price from just under $500 to more than $1000. The two biggest factors are amperage and cord length: If you want more, expect to pay more.

Installation Type: This unit is meant to be a permanent installation, mounted to the wall on a bracket. But some are classified (confusingly) as "permanently installed, removable" and use a standard plug so you can take the charger with you if you move.

Amperage: Level 2 chargers come in 16- or 30-amp flavors. A 16-amp charger works fine for plug-ins such as the Chevrolet Volt, which doesn't draw more current than that, and can often be installed with your existing wiring. But 30 amps should be your default, as it provides maximum charging speed and future-proofs your purchase if you buy a second electric vehicle.

Cord Length: The location of the charger in your garage will depend on how far you'll need to reach to access the car's charge port. A Nissan Leaf, for instance, is about 14½ feet long and charges from the nose. We recommend a spot close to the garage door, so you can charge your car even if you're parked in the driveway. A 16- or 18-foot cord should be fine, but go longer if you can afford it. These units can't be retrofitted if you've left yourself short.

Doesn't sound all that complicated. Except, maybe, for a moron.

 

[Moonglow]

I think building more cheap affordable housing close to where people work is the solution. In Los Angeles many people commute 45-80 miles one way to get to work from their homes.

Or put the houses in the air like on The Jetson's..

 

[Moonglow]

That charging station is the 220V outlet already sitting in your garage.

Learn to quote moron, and separate your comment out of mine!

Crick, if you had a brain you would not be posting in favor of Green, Clean, Renewable, Sustainable garbage nor would you post as if you knew about AGW.

You need a charging station, you need an electrician to come in and put an outlet in your garage, you need to pull a permit, you need a system designed, you need a new circuit breaker box.

People believe you just plug electric cars in, like a cell phone? What idiots. First, is your house single phase, double phase, or triple phase and what is the requirement for a Tesla car? Do you have single phase 50 amp? Or do you have double phase 50 amp? Are you pumping ground water? Can your house handle your charger and a pump for ground water? And an air conditioner?

Most homes are single phase, most homes do not have a 240 volt, 3 phase circuit. I bet none do, unless somebody added it after the house is built.

You can go to the Tesla site and the information is vague, it says you can plug into a 110 volt outlet but kind of does not specify that it best be a 50 amp circuit. This is not as easy as pie, Crick.

Tesla says they have a 110 volt 10 kw system, I am not sure on the technical details but that may draw upwards of 100 amps? Unless the charging unit contains a capacitor type of circuitry and cycles on/off.

Either way, Tesla will make it clear that you need an electrician before you drive your Tesla home! No electrician, and you will be burning your house down, guaranteed.

Here is a pic of the outlet, that Crick thinks is in every garage in the good ole usa. That would be 110, 50 amp, you just do not plug a 110 amp 50 amp load onto any old 110 outlet.

Technically, you need a 240 amp, 3 phase 100 amp circuit.
Tesla Charging | Tesla Motors

View attachment 75554

Why do you need 3phase?

 

[Moonglow]

• Public charging station adapter (J1772, 72 amp capable)

• Single Charger (10 kW)
• Mobile Connector with adapters for a 110 volt outlet and a 240 volt outlet
• Tesla Charging | Tesla Motors

 

[Moonglow]

It needs a 240 volt, the amps will be 3-5 higher than the battery rating.. 240 amps would require a magnecor around 40 inches in diameter....

 

[Moonglow]

There are solar set ups for home charging also...I just wish the sticker price was a lot lower...

 

[elektra]

That charging station is the 220V outlet already sitting in your garage.

Learn to quote moron, and separate your comment out of mine!

Crick, if you had a brain you would not be posting in favor of Green, Clean, Renewable, Sustainable garbage nor would you post as if you knew about AGW.

You need a charging station, you need an electrician to come in and put an outlet in your garage, you need to pull a permit, you need a system designed, you need a new circuit breaker box.

People believe you just plug electric cars in, like a cell phone? What idiots. First, is your house single phase, double phase, or triple phase and what is the requirement for a Tesla car? Do you have single phase 50 amp? Or do you have double phase 50 amp? Are you pumping ground water? Can your house handle your charger and a pump for ground water? And an air conditioner?

Most homes are single phase, most homes do not have a 240 volt, 3 phase circuit. I bet none do, unless somebody added it after the house is built.

You can go to the Tesla site and the information is vague, it says you can plug into a 110 volt outlet but kind of does not specify that it best be a 50 amp circuit. This is not as easy as pie, Crick.

Tesla says they have a 110 volt 10 kw system, I am not sure on the technical details but that may draw upwards of 100 amps? Unless the charging unit contains a capacitor type of circuitry and cycles on/off.

Either way, Tesla will make it clear that you need an electrician before you drive your Tesla home! No electrician, and you will be burning your house down, guaranteed.

Here is a pic of the outlet, that Crick thinks is in every garage in the good ole usa. That would be 110, 50 amp, you just do not plug a 110 amp 50 amp load onto any old 110 outlet.

Technically, you need a 240 amp, 3 phase 100 amp circuit.
Tesla Charging | Tesla Motors

View attachment 75554

Why do you need 3phase?

3 phase give you more power. Much more power. Which is nice if you are running an air conditioner and washing machine on the same system.

 

[elektra]

Amperage: Level 2 chargers come in 16- or 30-amp flavors. A 16-amp charger works fine for plug-ins such as the Chevrolet Volt, which doesn't draw more current than that, and can often be installed with your existing wiring. But 30 amps should be your default, as it provides maximum charging speed and future-proofs your purchase if you buy a second electric vehicle.
Doesn't sound all that complicated. Except, maybe, for a moron.

Doesn't sound all that complicated? Old Crock, you are the idiot that could not figure out the simple formula for power, P=!E!

The Chevy Volt is a hybrid, not an Electric Vehicle!

Old Crock thinks you can plug your EV in no differently than a hair dryer, you are a moron, Crock!

Notice how Old Crock loves to talk about the Tesla, but now that we are speaking of the power requirements, Old Crock has chosen hybrids and the weakest EV's on the market.

 

[elektra]

How to Install a Home Electric Car Charger

Pick Your Charger
Aside from Teslas, EVs and plug-ins in the U.S. use the SAE-standard J1772 plug. Although they work about the same way, not all chargers are created equal.

Cost: Level 2 chargers range in price from just under $500 to more than $1000. The two biggest factors are amperage and cord length: If you want more, expect to pay more.

Installation Type: This unit is meant to be a permanent installation, mounted to the wall on a bracket. But some are classified (confusingly) as "permanently installed, removable" and use a standard plug so you can take the charger with you if you move.

Amperage: Level 2 chargers come in 16- or 30-amp flavors. A 16-amp charger works fine for plug-ins such as the Chevrolet Volt, which doesn't draw more current than that, and can often be installed with your existing wiring. But 30 amps should be your default, as it provides maximum charging speed and future-proofs your purchase if you buy a second electric vehicle.

Cord Length: The location of the charger in your garage will depend on how far you'll need to reach to access the car's charge port. A Nissan Leaf, for instance, is about 14½ feet long and charges from the nose. We recommend a spot close to the garage door, so you can charge your car even if you're parked in the driveway. A 16- or 18-foot cord should be fine, but go longer if you can afford it. These units can't be retrofitted if you've left yourself short.

Doesn't sound all that complicated. Except, maybe, for a moron.

Pick Your Charger
SAE J1772, that is the plug that goes into your car, not into the wall in your garage.
"Although they work about the same way", What an idiot, all plugs work the exact same way, not about, they simply push in, as in plug in.

Cost,
Who cares!

Installation Type: "......use a standard plug so you can take the charger with you if you move.", Another Crock from Old Crock, they do not use a standard plug, period. Old Crock ain't got no idea what a standard plug is, when you speak of higher amperages, if you plug a higher amperage load or EV into a standard plug, you are going to burn down the house, so they design the connector so you can not be a MORON, which is good for Old Crock.

Amperage, Old Crock reverts to the Hybrid here, the Chevy Volt, that is because at all costs Old Crock must win his argument. Hybrids do not count in a thread about EV's


Cord Length. Longer or shorter cords? Best call an ELECTRICIAN, a longer cord is going to draw more amps, create a lot more heat, and we are now talking about something that will be the largest use of electricity in your house.

The dealer is going to tell anybody buying an EV, to go home and contact an electrician. If they don't, you best, it could save your life.

Tesla's require an electrician
Nissan Leaf, requires an electrician.

 

[skookerasbil]

meh


nobody is buying electric cars

 

[Crick]

I was unaware you were so handicapped in basic electricity. I take it back for Elektra. Make certain you get an electrician. You should probably get an electrician to plug in your cell phone charger. And headphones. And discharge you after walking across any carpet in your house.

 

[Moonglow]

That charging station is the 220V outlet already sitting in your garage.

Learn to quote moron, and separate your comment out of mine!

Crick, if you had a brain you would not be posting in favor of Green, Clean, Renewable, Sustainable garbage nor would you post as if you knew about AGW.

You need a charging station, you need an electrician to come in and put an outlet in your garage, you need to pull a permit, you need a system designed, you need a new circuit breaker box.

People believe you just plug electric cars in, like a cell phone? What idiots. First, is your house single phase, double phase, or triple phase and what is the requirement for a Tesla car? Do you have single phase 50 amp? Or do you have double phase 50 amp? Are you pumping ground water? Can your house handle your charger and a pump for ground water? And an air conditioner?

Most homes are single phase, most homes do not have a 240 volt, 3 phase circuit. I bet none do, unless somebody added it after the house is built.

You can go to the Tesla site and the information is vague, it says you can plug into a 110 volt outlet but kind of does not specify that it best be a 50 amp circuit. This is not as easy as pie, Crick.

Tesla says they have a 110 volt 10 kw system, I am not sure on the technical details but that may draw upwards of 100 amps? Unless the charging unit contains a capacitor type of circuitry and cycles on/off.

Either way, Tesla will make it clear that you need an electrician before you drive your Tesla home! No electrician, and you will be burning your house down, guaranteed.

Here is a pic of the outlet, that Crick thinks is in every garage in the good ole usa. That would be 110, 50 amp, you just do not plug a 110 amp 50 amp load onto any old 110 outlet.

Technically, you need a 240 amp, 3 phase 100 amp circuit.
Tesla Charging | Tesla Motors

View attachment 75554

Why do you need 3phase?

3 phase give you more power. Much more power. Which is nice if you are running an air conditioner and washing machine on the same system.

Three phase is not used for domestic housing, It is a commercial application....Appliances are not made for three phase, Oh and I ask 30 years ago why no two phase..

 

[Moonglow]

meh


nobody is buying electric cars

The sales for last year was zero electric auto sales?

 

[elektra]

Three phase is not used for domestic housing, It is a commercial application....Appliances are not made for three phase, Oh and I ask 30 years ago why no two phase..

Sure, 3 phase is not used for domestic housing, but domestic housing was not designed for charging electric cars, either.

Appliances, they are not designed for 3 phase? No kidding, but they will operate fine on a 3 phase circuit, appliances will simply draw the current they use.

Why no 2 phase, as long as we are bullshitting, why no 3 phase? 2 phase is cheaper, but if you got money to throw away on an electric car you got money to buy the best. 3 phase give you more power, faster charging, less danger.

2 phase or 3 phase, both will require a huge investment, permits, an electrician. 3 phase will cost more, but if you are going electric, go 3 phase. If you can not afford 3 phase, you can not afford an electric car.

 

[Old Rocks]

That charging station is the 220V outlet already sitting in your garage.

Learn to quote moron, and separate your comment out of mine!

Crick, if you had a brain you would not be posting in favor of Green, Clean, Renewable, Sustainable garbage nor would you post as if you knew about AGW.

You need a charging station, you need an electrician to come in and put an outlet in your garage, you need to pull a permit, you need a system designed, you need a new circuit breaker box.

People believe you just plug electric cars in, like a cell phone? What idiots. First, is your house single phase, double phase, or triple phase and what is the requirement for a Tesla car? Do you have single phase 50 amp? Or do you have double phase 50 amp? Are you pumping ground water? Can your house handle your charger and a pump for ground water? And an air conditioner?

Most homes are single phase, most homes do not have a 240 volt, 3 phase circuit. I bet none do, unless somebody added it after the house is built.

You can go to the Tesla site and the information is vague, it says you can plug into a 110 volt outlet but kind of does not specify that it best be a 50 amp circuit. This is not as easy as pie, Crick.

Tesla says they have a 110 volt 10 kw system, I am not sure on the technical details but that may draw upwards of 100 amps? Unless the charging unit contains a capacitor type of circuitry and cycles on/off.

Either way, Tesla will make it clear that you need an electrician before you drive your Tesla home! No electrician, and you will be burning your house down, guaranteed.

Here is a pic of the outlet, that Crick thinks is in every garage in the good ole usa. That would be 110, 50 amp, you just do not plug a 110 amp 50 amp load onto any old 110 outlet.

Technically, you need a 240 amp, 3 phase 100 amp circuit.
Tesla Charging | Tesla Motors

View attachment 75554

Poor little miss Elektra still doesn't understand the differance between volts and amps. LOL