Ending health insurance for 13 million to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy?

[rightwinger]

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

What makes you think Obamacare is free?

What Government controls are there when you visit your doctor?

 

[jc456]

It’s no secret that democrats are lazy. Instead of working to solve a problem/issue, they simply throw $ at it and hope it goes away.

Since I know you can't comprehend this, ask a grown up for help

Obamacare helped those in deep-red states: Study - Washington Times

Trump cuts to ObamaCare outreach to hit red states most | TheHill

Trump's decision to end Obamacare subsides will most affect states he ...

See what I mean about being lazy? lol

I’m not interested in reading the BS that fuels your ignorance.

I didn't read those links either but I can tell you for a fact in heavy Republican areas over 80% of them receive a subsidy to help pay their premiums.

Are you getting subsidies while living in a pro-republican area?

I'm over 65 so no but 90% of clients that are republican and voted for trump are.

so those dems who voted for hitlery don't get subsidies?

 

[JBond]

This is yet another example of how pathetic the Republican Party has become. Trump was already this pathetic.

Ending the mandate will cause 13 million to no longer be insured. The Republicans will save the money that would be spent on health insurance subsidies. Where do they think these people will get healthcare? Using the system without paying. More children on CHIP ( If Republicans decide to renew it at current levels). Who pays for that? We do.

Trump & the Republicans want to save money by reducing the number signing up for health insurance on the exchanges.

Chickenfuck Trump cut the enrollment period & reduced the outreach to help people get insurance. The same practice these pathetic assholes use to depress the vote.

Republicans keep to their traditions: Keep handing rich people & corporations money & making the middle class pay for it.

Ryan said SS, Medicare & Medicaid is next. After adding a trillion to the deficit, they will cry about debt & blame it on these programs.

The fact is that Republicans suck big slimy moose dick.,

You fucked up the entire system by doubling the cost of insurance. Now we must fix it.

 

[jc456]

I can remember when Obamas regulations hit hospitals across the country. Not only did it cost many people their jobs, it hurt the care patients were getting.

Obamacare was the black tornado that not only ripped millions away from their jobs, it prevented millions of working Americans from being able to provide healthcare for their families.

Looks like I have to type even slower. Please try to explain why the comparison between car insurance and health insurance is valid, given the explanation I gave you. I'll even help you see more clearly the corner you're in by explaining that you're forced to buy car insurance, not because you can get your car replaced, but because you need to be able to replace the other guy's car when you run into it. You don't buy health insurance to pay the other guy's bills when you make him sick. Now, please do try.

Maybe I better type slower than you because most of your statement is dead wrong, better do a little more research.

Into what areas? Am I wrong when I say that you're forced to buy car insurance (liability) so you can replace the other guy's car? Am I wrong when I say that buying health insurance is something you do to cover your medical bills, not for liability to another person for harm you cause him?

Be specific.

If you only paid premiums to cover your own health care your premiums would be a whole hell of alot higher than you can imagine. You pay into a pool.

What? lol

My healthcare ins costs me ~$250/month, that includes full dental. My deductible is $250.

How can anyone think Obamacare is good for anyone?

Get ready for triple the premiums with a five thousand dollar deductible.

Then see how good Obamacare was.

we are headed that way through obummerfail. that's a fact.

 

[JQPublic1]

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

Wow! You Trump bots are woefully uninformed . Obamacare is not medicine at all, its a health insurance tax<. Are you still wth me?

Socialized medicine is when the doctors and hospital staff work directly for the government. That has nothing to do with Obamacare or health INSURANCE. Capische ? Pass that along to your ignorant friends and maybe you will start to realize how your vote for Trump screwed you. And the GOP is just beginning to dismantle all the protections Obama put in place.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Hey everybody!

I got a great idea!

Lets borrow $1.5 trillion and give it to Billionaires as a Christmas present

/----/ Letting people keep more of their own money is not a giveaway. Welfare is.

That's the $1.4 trillion lie you have been told to believe. But it is a lie.

Those tax gifts come at the cost of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer, and at the cost of borrowing ever larger sums from China.

It's theft. And you bet your ass it is welfare.

Government tax gifts costs $1.4 trillion a year. That's the biggest wealth redistribution in human history.

So, it is your assertion that taking less of my paycheck is a gift?

 

[JQPublic1]

This is yet another example of how pathetic the Republican Party has become. Trump was already this pathetic.

Ending the mandate will cause 13 million to no longer be insured. The Republicans will save the money that would be spent on health insurance subsidies. Where do they think these people will get healthcare? Using the system without paying. More children on CHIP ( If Republicans decide to renew it at current levels). Who pays for that? We do.

Trump & the Republicans want to save money by reducing the number signing up for health insurance on the exchanges.

Chickenfuck Trump cut the enrollment period & reduced the outreach to help people get insurance. The same practice these pathetic assholes use to depress the vote.

Republicans keep to their traditions: Keep handing rich people & corporations money & making the middle class pay for it.

Ryan said SS, Medicare & Medicaid is next. After adding a trillion to the deficit, they will cry about debt & blame it on these programs.

The fact is that Republicans suck big slimy moose dick.,

You fucked up the entire system by doubling the cost of insurance. Now we must fix it.

Thats a lie... The PPACA didn't double the cost of insurance for most people, especially those with employee based healthcare plans. In some states the cost actually went down. And don't pretend that premiums were not steadily increasing dramatically even before Obamacare was implemented; and if you got sick or was deemed to have a pre-eisting condition..you were kicked off the plan. Now tell me the truth...Do you really want to re-empower the Insurance providers to take your money as long as you're healthy but when you get sick they can find ways to kick you off the plan? Hopefully you are not that stupid.

 

[Rustic]

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

What makes you think Obamacare is free?

What Government controls are there when you visit your doctor?

The people receiving the so-called benefits from Obamacare don’t have to pay for shit someone else is billed Unnecessarily

 

[JQPublic1]

Hey everybody!

I got a great idea!

Lets borrow $1.5 trillion and give it to Billionaires as a Christmas present

/----/ Letting people keep more of their own money is not a giveaway. Welfare is.

That's the $1.4 trillion lie you have been told to believe. But it is a lie.

Those tax gifts come at the cost of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer, and at the cost of borrowing ever larger sums from China.

It's theft. And you bet your ass it is welfare.

Government tax gifts costs $1.4 trillion a year. That's the biggest wealth redistribution in human history.

So, it is your assertion that taking less of my paycheck is a gift?

It's better to take a fraction of your paycheck now than to lose all of it, including your savings, after paying a fortune in hospital bills in the wake of a catastrophic illness. The goal of PPACA was to bring in more revenue to incentivize the insurance companies to lower their rates while also providing subsidies for those who needed insurance coverage the most but had little or no funds i.e., children and many seniors who hadn't reached age 65.

 

[JQPublic1]

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

What makes you think Obamacare is free?

What Government controls are there when you visit your doctor?

The people receiving the so-called benefits from Obamacare don’t have to pay for shit someone else is billed Unnecessarily

Most of those benefitting from the PPACA are paying a portion of the premiums and subsidies make up the balance. AND NO ONE ELSE IS BILLED any more than anyone is billed every time an uninsured person went to the ER before the PPACA. It all comes out of taxes. The PPACA is a tax levied against those who have the means but won't get insurance.

 

[Rustic]

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

What makes you think Obamacare is free?

What Government controls are there when you visit your doctor?

The people receiving the so-called benefits from Obamacare don’t have to pay for shit someone else is billed Unnecessarily

Most of those benefitting from the PPACA are paying a portion of the premiums and subsidies make up the balance. AND NO ONE ELSE IS BILLED any more than anyone is billed every time an uninsured person went to the ER before the PPACA. It all comes out of taxes. The PPACA is a tax levied against those who have the means but won't get insurance.

Obamacare is all about waste fraud and abuse...
Most people are paying for shit they will never use, and obviously they cannot afford to pay for Obamacare and want nothing to do with it so it is a Ponzi scheme

 

[JQPublic1]

Well maybe I can't read, but I thought you specifically said that people pay their premiums to only cover themselves. I guess you can intrepret anyway you want it but health insurance is a risk pool. Assuming you are healthy paying premiums for 20 years and using it here and there for a few doctor visits do you think they have your money set aside drawing interest just for you? Nope they have been using your money for others.

I see what you're saying, but I was addressing the differences between car insurance and health insurance, specifically the way they are compared to justify forcing people to buy the latter. They don't really relate.

You analogy is wrong. Here is a better comparison: An uninsured motorist runs into a tree. His car is destroyed and he is severely injured but also has no health insurance. Now here comes the analogy.... The tax payer is forced to fix his car and to pay for his hospital bills....NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND,,,?IDIOT!

/——-/ Why can’t the driver pay his own hospital bills? What’s next, we have to pay his electric and water bill?

You have no idea? Are you that dense? Hospital bills are often akin to kings ransoms. Most middle class and probably none of the 43 million poor could afford to pay. One catastrophic illness could destroy all tge life savings or any accumulated wealth
In affected familues. For the poor...insurance premiums are just as much out of reach....so they have no choice but to get free treatment at taxpayer's expense for serious conditions in the ER. The PPACA was designed to make healthcare insurance affordable for the underserved. Most would pay at least something into the system on a pro- rated basis.

/----/ We used to have the option of catastrophic health insurance but Obozo took that away in all his glee.

We who? The healthy working middle class people between 25 and 50????... And what did you think about the high likely hood that, even after paying into your insurance for years, your coverage could be capped; or, you could lose your coverage when you needed it most. That pre-existing condition BS depleted a lot of savings accounts and people lost their homes too, just to qualify for MEDICAID. Now, even MEDICAID is under fire by the Trump administration including the C.H.I.P. program for children. The bahs-turds are reducing funding for those programs.

 

[2aguy]

This is yet another example of how pathetic the Republican Party has become. Trump was already this pathetic.

Ending the mandate will cause 13 million to no longer be insured. The Republicans will save the money that would be spent on health insurance subsidies. Where do they think these people will get healthcare? Using the system without paying. More children on CHIP ( If Republicans decide to renew it at current levels). Who pays for that? We do.

Trump & the Republicans want to save money by reducing the number signing up for health insurance on the exchanges.

Chickenfuck Trump cut the enrollment period & reduced the outreach to help people get insurance. The same practice these pathetic assholes use to depress the vote.

Republicans keep to their traditions: Keep handing rich people & corporations money & making the middle class pay for it.

Ryan said SS, Medicare & Medicaid is next. After adding a trillion to the deficit, they will cry about debt & blame it on these programs.

The fact is that Republicans suck big slimy moose dick.,

And wrong....you won't be forced to buy health insurance because you will be fined it you don't.......this is called being a free human being....

 

[Skull Pilot]

This is yet another example of how pathetic the Republican Party has become. Trump was already this pathetic.

Ending the mandate will cause 13 million to no longer be insured. The Republicans will save the money that would be spent on health insurance subsidies. Where do they think these people will get healthcare? Using the system without paying. More children on CHIP ( If Republicans decide to renew it at current levels). Who pays for that? We do.

Trump & the Republicans want to save money by reducing the number signing up for health insurance on the exchanges.

Chickenfuck Trump cut the enrollment period & reduced the outreach to help people get insurance. The same practice these pathetic assholes use to depress the vote.

Republicans keep to their traditions: Keep handing rich people & corporations money & making the middle class pay for it.

Ryan said SS, Medicare & Medicaid is next. After adding a trillion to the deficit, they will cry about debt & blame it on these programs.

The fact is that Republicans suck big slimy moose dick.,

No one is ending health insurance. The mandate and the tax penalty were done away with that is all.

So those estimated 13 million will be choosing not to buy health insurance no one is taking it away from them.

The more relevant question is why do you oppose people making their own choices?

No, dope.

Eliminating the mandate shrinks the risk pool. The younger and healthier will drop out. The cost for those left will rise sharply.
Premiums will rise to the point where many will be priced out altogether.

The costs are rising sharply anyway.
But you don't know why do you? it's because you can't give the unlimited coverage called for by Obammy care without premiums skyrocketing.

The insurance for my employees under 45 is going up 68% for next year. The insurance for my employees over 45 is going up 90%

And that rate hike was in the works way before the repeal of the mandate.

And as I said no one is losing their insurance. They will make their own choices about whether to purchase it.

But you people all have a problem with people making their own choices

Bullshit. Post it up.

It's in my office at the business. I'll scan the relevant pages and post it but you'll still just say I'm making it up.

 

[Skull Pilot]

“Ending health insurance for 13 million to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy?"

Such is the reprehensible right.

so now not forcing people to buy insurance is the same as taking it away?

No one is ending health insurance. The mandate and the tax penalty were done away with that is all.

So those estimated 13 million will be choosing not to buy health insurance no one is taking it away from them.

The more relevant question is why do you oppose people making their own choices?

No, dope.

Eliminating the mandate shrinks the risk pool. The younger and healthier will drop out. The cost for those left will rise sharply.
Premiums will rise to the point where many will be priced out altogether.

The costs are rising sharply anyway.
But you don't know why do you? it's because you can't give the unlimited coverage called for by Obammy care without premiums skyrocketing.

The insurance for my employees under 45 is going up 68% for next year. The insurance for my employees over 45 is going up 90%

And that rate hike was in the works way before the repeal of the mandate.

And as I said no one is losing their insurance. They will make their own choices about whether to purchase it.

But you people all have a problem with people making their own choices

Lying fuck. You are lying about your premiums nearly doubling for the same policy.

If it did, whose fault would it be? You orange hero. He has fucked with the market & I hope the Hell you pay for it.

I have a problem with people not buying insurance, getting care, not paying , and causing costs for everyone else yo go up. Evidently, you think that is great.

No I am not lying. I got the rates for 2018 yesterday. And if you knew anything about insurance you would know that the rate hikes taking effect in 2018 have been in the works for at least a year. But you don't know anything about buying insurance for employees, do you?

And I don't know how many times I have to tell you this or why I even bother because it seems you have the memory of a fucking goldfish but I did not vote for Trump.

And I realize something you don't. It's none of my business if a person chooses not to buy health insurance and it's none of your fucking business either.

I used to buy insurance for employees. The uncertainty has been there for months. Through the entire OMG OMG OMG Repeal Repeal" process. If you aren't buying in the exchanges then there is nothing in the ACA that would effect it. Other than market drivers like the changes your buddy made.

You support everything the orange fool does

Again, I don;'t give a rat's ass if you buy a policy or not. If you don't & can't prepay, die in the parking lot.

I didn't vote for Trump. That to can;t seem to understand that 5 word sentence tells me that you are incapable of understanding anything else I say

 

[JQPublic1]

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

What makes you think Obamacare is free?

What Government controls are there when you visit your doctor?

The people receiving the so-called benefits from Obamacare don’t have to pay for shit someone else is billed Unnecessarily

Most of those benefitting from the PPACA are paying a portion of the premiums and subsidies make up the balance. AND NO ONE ELSE IS BILLED any more than anyone is billed every time an uninsured person went to the ER before the PPACA. It all comes out of taxes. The PPACA is a tax levied against those who have the means but won't get insurance.

Obamacare is all about waste fraud and abuse...
Most people are paying for shit they will never use, and obviously they cannot afford to pay for Obamacare and want nothing to do with it so it is a Ponzi scheme

Free preventative care and screenings for certain pathologies are part of the deal with Obamacare insurance mandates. And that stipulation is broad enough to apply across the board including those who already have insurance through employers or on their own volition. If you aren't using that to your advantage, you're a fool. But beyond that, its just plain stupid to think that you won't use it so why pay for it. Then when you or your loved one is injured in an accident, there you go being rushed off to the ER with tax payers picking up the tab paying for their own insurance AND your treatment. You might be billed but that bill could be $250,000.
So without insurance, a lien can be placed on all you own , And don't think about transferring your valuables to a relative or friend. They''ll look back 5 years from the onset of your illness to track your transfers down. Only after all the dust has cleared from that will you be eligible for MEDICAID...if it still exists by then.

 

[JQPublic1]

You're probably too dumb to realize you just agreed with me. Forcing people to pay for some freeloader who gets cancer, gets in a serious accident or gets his ass whipped in a bar is unconstitutional Thats why Obama mandated that every one buy insurance to relieve the cost of emergency room visits for injured or potentially injured freeloaders from the backs of tax payers. The alternative is to stop government funded compensation to hospitals who treat people who don't have insurance. Let's see how generous the hospitals will be then.... get out the body bags...

Na, Insurance is not healthcare, and no one should be forced to pay for other people shit

Who said Insurance is healthcare? Are you stupid or something? And I was right when I said you'd be too dumb to understand that every time an uninsured person goes to he emergency room you're paying for their "shit." If you won't acknowledge that, I see no need to engage you further.

To forced to pay into a pool is not only a rotten concept it is unconstitutional. Dip shit

That's why Justice Roberts sided with the Democrats to label the mandate a tax. Are you saying you know more than SCOTUS?

Roberts. Is part of the deep state...

And you appear to be part of the shallow state...ignorant and uninformed.

 

[JQPublic1]

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

Let's end the drug war to pay for health care.

WTF does that mean and what does it have at all to do with what I posted?

A funding source?

Paying into a pool is for retarded people

The I take it you don't pay your taxes, you don't have auto insurance and you don't invest in stocks with the rest of us retarded people.

 

[ColonelAngus]

No one is stopping anyone from getting health insurance.

 

[g5000]

Hey everybody!

I got a great idea!

Lets borrow $1.5 trillion and give it to Billionaires as a Christmas present

/----/ Letting people keep more of their own money is not a giveaway. Welfare is.

That's the $1.4 trillion lie you have been told to believe. But it is a lie.

Those tax gifts come at the cost of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer, and at the cost of borrowing ever larger sums from China.

It's theft. And you bet your ass it is welfare.

Government tax gifts costs $1.4 trillion a year. That's the biggest wealth redistribution in human history.

So, it is your assertion that taking less of my paycheck is a gift?

Yes, when it comes at the expense of taking more from everyone else's paycheck. Your progandists who gave your bumper sticker intellect that "I get to keep more of my own money" bullshit didn't tell you selfish little pricks the whole equation.

It's not just a gift. It's theft. The biggest wealth redistribution in human history.