Ending health insurance for 13 million to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy?

[JQPublic1]

This is yet another example of how pathetic the Republican Party has become. Trump was already this pathetic.

Ending the mandate will cause 13 million to no longer be insured. The Republicans will save the money that would be spent on health insurance subsidies. Where do they think these people will get healthcare? Using the system without paying. More children on CHIP ( If Republicans decide to renew it at current levels). Who pays for that? We do.

Trump & the Republicans want to save money by reducing the number signing up for health insurance on the exchanges.

Chickenfuck Trump cut the enrollment period & reduced the outreach to help people get insurance. The same practice these pathetic assholes use to depress the vote.

Republicans keep to their traditions: Keep handing rich people & corporations money & making the middle class pay for it.

Ryan said SS, Medicare & Medicaid is next. After adding a trillion to the deficit, they will cry about debt & blame it on these programs.

The fact is that Republicans suck big slimy moose dick.,

How do you "pay" for tax cuts?

I know. Every time pos commie propagandists say that I want to draw a bead on them.

You should nrver do that...you might get dhot.

 

[danielpalos]

I don't want a free war on drugs.

How about let’s be free of socialism

Socialism starts with a social contract like our Constitution.

Na, Our federal government is not anywhere near what it was supposed to be...

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution, providing for the general warfare is not.

Tell us why we should work overtime to pay the bills of lazy do nothings who lay around mooching off us?

It is more moral than putting them in prison or killing them, and complaining about refugees.

 

[JQPublic1]

If you only paid premiums to cover your own health care your premiums would be a whole hell of alot higher than you can imagine. You pay into a pool.

That's neither specific nor related to my point. Nor does it show what I wrote to be, as you say, "dead wrong". Thus, I'm afraid I'll have to give your response a failing grade.

Well maybe I can't read, but I thought you specifically said that people pay their premiums to only cover themselves. I guess you can intrepret anyway you want it but health insurance is a risk pool. Assuming you are healthy paying premiums for 20 years and using it here and there for a few doctor visits do you think they have your money set aside drawing interest just for you? Nope they have been using your money for others.

I see what you're saying, but I was addressing the differences between car insurance and health insurance, specifically the way they are compared to justify forcing people to buy the latter. They don't really relate.

You analogy is wrong. Here is a better comparison: An uninsured motorist runs into a tree. His car is destroyed and he is severely injured but also has no health insurance. Now here comes the analogy.... The tax payer is forced to fix his car and to pay for his hospital bills....NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND,,,?IDIOT!

/——-/ Why can’t the driver pay his own hospital bills? What’s next, we have to pay his electric and water bill?

You have no idea? Are you that dense? Hospital bills are often akin to kings ransoms. Most middle class and probably none of the 43 million poor could afford to pay. One catastrophic illness could destroy all tge life savings or any accumulated wealth
In affected familues. For the poor...insurance premiums are just as much out of reach....so they have no choice but to get free treatment at taxpayer's expense for serious conditions in the ER. The PPACA was designed to make healthcare insurance affordable for the underserved. Most would pay at least something into the system on a pro- rated basis.

 

[JQPublic1]

Fug you...I like what he said...and you should too if you had any sense.

It's irrelevant whether you like it or not.

It is when you fire up that other brain cell and realize i'm speaking in solidarity with millions.

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Of course, because we all know prior to 2011 bodies were lining the streets all over the country.



You people lie through your teeth so much that I don't think you can even tell the difference anymore between the truth and your delusions.

Of course, because we all know prior to 2011 bodies were lining the streets all over the country.

No, but premiums were rising annually at a much larger rate than now.

In many places they are rising at a larger rate, but they are not supposed to be rising at all anymore. The average family was supposed to see a $2500 annual savings

In many places they are rising at a larger rate,

Post it up.

Not a problem

Average Individual Health Insurance Premiums Increased 99% Since 2013, the Year Before Obamacare, & Family Premiums Increased 140%, According to eHealth.com Shopping Data

That's not what I asked for nor what you claimed.

Where's the data prior to the ACA?

That’s what I gave you. Just because It’s not what you want to see doesn’t mean it’s not what you asked for

 

[rightwinger]

Adding to the debt is simple income redistribution, not welfare.

/----/ Why is it that the Gubmint can never do with one penny less but the taxpayers have a limitless supply of money? CUT SPENDING.

How about we cut spending BEFORE we cut taxes?

/----/ Translation: Let's never cut taxes because Congress will never cut spending.

Common sense

Don't ask your boss to cut your wages until you have cut your spending accordingly

In this analogy, we are the boss, not the employee.

It's more like the employee won't cut the spending no matter how we ask, so fuck him, we're cutting off his access to the credit line.

Taxes are revenue.....just like your salary would be

Would you volunteer for less revenue if you knew your expenses would be the same?

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ Why is it that the Gubmint can never do with one penny less but the taxpayers have a limitless supply of money? CUT SPENDING.

How about we cut spending BEFORE we cut taxes?

/----/ Translation: Let's never cut taxes because Congress will never cut spending.

Common sense

Don't ask your boss to cut your wages until you have cut your spending accordingly

In this analogy, we are the boss, not the employee.

It's more like the employee won't cut the spending no matter how we ask, so fuck him, we're cutting off his access to the credit line.

Taxes are revenue.....just like your salary would be

Would you volunteer for less revenue if you knew your expenses would be the same?

/----/ During the malaise of Jimma Carter, my company informed the reps they had to give up 10% of our pay or get laid off. THERE WERE NO OTHER JOBS AVAILABLE. We asked why can't the company economize? Stop the constant manager's meeting at resorts. We were met with glares and a finger pointing at the exit.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That's neither specific nor related to my point. Nor does it show what I wrote to be, as you say, "dead wrong". Thus, I'm afraid I'll have to give your response a failing grade.

Well maybe I can't read, but I thought you specifically said that people pay their premiums to only cover themselves. I guess you can intrepret anyway you want it but health insurance is a risk pool. Assuming you are healthy paying premiums for 20 years and using it here and there for a few doctor visits do you think they have your money set aside drawing interest just for you? Nope they have been using your money for others.

I see what you're saying, but I was addressing the differences between car insurance and health insurance, specifically the way they are compared to justify forcing people to buy the latter. They don't really relate.

You analogy is wrong. Here is a better comparison: An uninsured motorist runs into a tree. His car is destroyed and he is severely injured but also has no health insurance. Now here comes the analogy.... The tax payer is forced to fix his car and to pay for his hospital bills....NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND,,,?IDIOT!

/——-/ Why can’t the driver pay his own hospital bills? What’s next, we have to pay his electric and water bill?

You have no idea? Are you that dense? Hospital bills are often akin to kings ransoms. Most middle class and probably none of the 43 million poor could afford to pay. One catastrophic illness could destroy all tge life savings or any accumulated wealth
In affected familues. For the poor...insurance premiums are just as much out of reach....so they have no choice but to get free treatment at taxpayer's expense for serious conditions in the ER. The PPACA was designed to make healthcare insurance affordable for the underserved. Most would pay at least something into the system on a pro- rated basis.

/----/ We used to have the option of catastrophic health insurance but Obozo took that away in all his glee.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Fug you...I like what he said...and you should too if you had any sense.

It's irrelevant whether you like it or not.

It is when you fire up that other brain cell and realize i'm speaking in solidarity with millions.

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

No, that isn't how it works.

Sure it is. It has nothing to do with socialism at all and that's how payers have always managed risk.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That's how it's worked your entire life, dope.
That's how all insurance works.

Do you have any concept of reality? Obamacare forced us, prior to Obamacare we were not forced.

Reality?

Post up the growth in premiums before and since the ACA. Explain your findings.

Tell ya what, how about you post up the growth in premiums and explain your findings.

I know what they are. You, obviously, do not.

Well, I certainly wouldn't want you to do anything that resembles anything like WORK.

It's not work at all. It's a simple search. You should educate yourself.

 

[g5000]

Hey everybody!

I got a great idea!

Lets borrow $1.5 trillion and give it to Billionaires as a Christmas present

/----/ Letting people keep more of their own money is not a giveaway. Welfare is.

That's the $1.4 trillion lie you have been told to believe. But it is a lie.

Those tax gifts come at the cost of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer, and at the cost of borrowing ever larger sums from China.

It's theft. And you bet your ass it is welfare.

Government tax gifts costs $1.4 trillion a year. That's the biggest wealth redistribution in human history.

 

[Rustic]

Na, Insurance is not healthcare, and no one should be forced to pay for other people shit

Who said Insurance is healthcare? Are you stupid or something? And I was right when I said you'd be too dumb to understand that every time an uninsured person goes to he emergency room you're paying for their "shit." If you won't acknowledge that, I see no need to engage you further.

To forced to pay into a pool is not only a rotten concept it is unconstitutional. Dip shit

To forced to pay into a pool is not only a rotten concept it is unconstitutional. Dip shit

Again, forced to pay into a pool is not only a rotten concept it’s unconstitutional

That's how it's worked your entire life, dope.
That's how all insurance works.

Do you have any concept of reality? Obamacare forced us, prior to Obamacare we were not forced.

Do you have health insurance?
Why?

I have never bought insurance, Buying insurance is like throwing money away

 

[Rustic]

It is when you fire up that other brain cell and realize i'm speaking in solidarity with millions.

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

Let's end the drug war to pay for health care.

WTF does that mean and what does it have at all to do with what I posted?

A funding source?

Paying into a pool is for retarded people

 

[Rustic]

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

You're probably too dumb to realize you just agreed with me. Forcing people to pay for some freeloader who gets cancer, gets in a serious accident or gets his ass whipped in a bar is unconstitutional Thats why Obama mandated that every one buy insurance to relieve the cost of emergency room visits for injured or potentially injured freeloaders from the backs of tax payers. The alternative is to stop government funded compensation to hospitals who treat people who don't have insurance. Let's see how generous the hospitals will be then.... get out the body bags...

Na, Insurance is not healthcare, and no one should be forced to pay for other people shit

Who said Insurance is healthcare? Are you stupid or something? And I was right when I said you'd be too dumb to understand that every time an uninsured person goes to he emergency room you're paying for their "shit." If you won't acknowledge that, I see no need to engage you further.

To forced to pay into a pool is not only a rotten concept it is unconstitutional. Dip shit

That's why Justice Roberts sided with the Democrats to label the mandate a tax. Are you saying you know more than SCOTUS?

Roberts. Is part of the deep state...

 

[Rustic]

“Ending health insurance for 13 million to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy?"

Such is the reprehensible right.

so now not forcing people to buy insurance is the same as taking it away?

No one is ending health insurance. The mandate and the tax penalty were done away with that is all.

So those estimated 13 million will be choosing not to buy health insurance no one is taking it away from them.

The more relevant question is why do you oppose people making their own choices?

No, dope.

Eliminating the mandate shrinks the risk pool. The younger and healthier will drop out. The cost for those left will rise sharply.
Premiums will rise to the point where many will be priced out altogether.

The costs are rising sharply anyway.
But you don't know why do you? it's because you can't give the unlimited coverage called for by Obammy care without premiums skyrocketing.

The insurance for my employees under 45 is going up 68% for next year. The insurance for my employees over 45 is going up 90%

And that rate hike was in the works way before the repeal of the mandate.

And as I said no one is losing their insurance. They will make their own choices about whether to purchase it.

But you people all have a problem with people making their own choices

Lying fuck. You are lying about your premiums nearly doubling for the same policy.

If it did, whose fault would it be? You orange hero. He has fucked with the market & I hope the Hell you pay for it.

I have a problem with people not buying insurance, getting care, not paying , and causing costs for everyone else yo go up. Evidently, you think that is great.

No I am not lying. I got the rates for 2018 yesterday. And if you knew anything about insurance you would know that the rate hikes taking effect in 2018 have been in the works for at least a year. But you don't know anything about buying insurance for employees, do you?

And I don't know how many times I have to tell you this or why I even bother because it seems you have the memory of a fucking goldfish but I did not vote for Trump.

And I realize something you don't. It's none of my business if a person chooses not to buy health insurance and it's none of your fucking business either.

I used to buy insurance for employees. The uncertainty has been there for months. Through the entire OMG OMG OMG Repeal Repeal" process. If you aren't buying in the exchanges then there is nothing in the ACA that would effect it. Other than market drivers like the changes your buddy made.

You support everything the orange fool does

Again, I don;'t give a rat's ass if you buy a policy or not. If you don't & can't prepay, die in the parking lot.

Health insurance is not healthcare. Jack weed

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No, but premiums were rising annually at a much larger rate than now.

In many places they are rising at a larger rate, but they are not supposed to be rising at all anymore. The average family was supposed to see a $2500 annual savings

In many places they are rising at a larger rate,

Post it up.

Not a problem

Average Individual Health Insurance Premiums Increased 99% Since 2013, the Year Before Obamacare, & Family Premiums Increased 140%, According to eHealth.com Shopping Data

That's not what I asked for nor what you claimed.

Where's the data prior to the ACA?

That’s what I gave you. Just because It’s not what you want to see doesn’t mean it’s not what you asked for

It's not at all.

 

[otto105]

It's irrelevant whether you like it or not.

It is when you fire up that other brain cell and realize i'm speaking in solidarity with millions.

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

 

[rightwinger]

Well maybe I can't read, but I thought you specifically said that people pay their premiums to only cover themselves. I guess you can intrepret anyway you want it but health insurance is a risk pool. Assuming you are healthy paying premiums for 20 years and using it here and there for a few doctor visits do you think they have your money set aside drawing interest just for you? Nope they have been using your money for others.

I see what you're saying, but I was addressing the differences between car insurance and health insurance, specifically the way they are compared to justify forcing people to buy the latter. They don't really relate.

You analogy is wrong. Here is a better comparison: An uninsured motorist runs into a tree. His car is destroyed and he is severely injured but also has no health insurance. Now here comes the analogy.... The tax payer is forced to fix his car and to pay for his hospital bills....NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND,,,?IDIOT!

/——-/ Why can’t the driver pay his own hospital bills? What’s next, we have to pay his electric and water bill?

You have no idea? Are you that dense? Hospital bills are often akin to kings ransoms. Most middle class and probably none of the 43 million poor could afford to pay. One catastrophic illness could destroy all tge life savings or any accumulated wealth
In affected familues. For the poor...insurance premiums are just as much out of reach....so they have no choice but to get free treatment at taxpayer's expense for serious conditions in the ER. The PPACA was designed to make healthcare insurance affordable for the underserved. Most would pay at least something into the system on a pro- rated basis.

/----/ We used to have the option of catastrophic health insurance but Obozo took that away in all his glee.

I know...he gave you full health insurance

The bastard

 

[koshergrl]

It is when you fire up that other brain cell and realize i'm speaking in solidarity with millions.

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

 

[otto105]

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional, shove your fucking mandate up your ass if you like it so much

Forcing people to pay for other peoples shit is unconstitutional,

The healthy pay for the sick, dope. Every healthy policy holder is already paying for the sick. Rates are determined by the ratio of healthy to sick. Removing or giving an out to younger healthier people in the pool will only increase the rates for those left.

No, that isn't how it works.

As we have seen time, and time, and time again.

Socialism is a failure, including socialist medicine. A FAILURE. It has never been a success, it has NEVER been superior to what is available in the US (until we started in with socialized medicine).

We don't have socialized medicine...except at the military and veteran's hospitals.

What is exactly socialized medicine?

Is that medicine which was produced with quality regulations to ensure effectiveness?

Obamacare. *free* medical for all. Government controlled care, government controlled access, government controlled distribution of care, government controlled distribution of medication, government controlled treatment.

This isn't a statement about socialized medicine, but rather just another republic spouting old tired canards.