Ending health insurance for 13 million to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy?

[Thinker101]

/-----/ Well that's different. You said "free healthcare" The Post Office is run by civil servants but postage isn't free. Please explain free healthcare and where their pay comes from.

Nothing I said is different. You just went off on a tangent because you misread what I said. Free healthcare socialized medicine. Thats when the hospitals are owned by the government and the medical personnel are all employees of the government. Operating Costs would be lowered considerably. Doctors would start at the rank of Captain, Nurses would start as 1st LTs, and aides, specialists and technicians would be enlisted. The chief administrator, depending on the size of the hospital and staff, could be a Colonel in smaller hospitals and up to a 2 star General in larger ones. People would still be required to have government insurance so as to offset operational costs but it would all be controlled centrally by the Feds instead of individual states or greedy private entities.

Operational costs would be controlled by the Feds....so would the quality (lack of).

I never heard any soldiers complaining about their medical care in Military hospitals and clinics.

Evidently you also haven't heard of any of the VA scandals over the last 10-20 years.

The VA is run by civilians... military hospitals have had no such scandals...

Like Walter Reed?
Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal - Wikipedia

 

[Thinker101]

/-----/ Well that's different. You said "free healthcare" The Post Office is run by civil servants but postage isn't free. Please explain free healthcare and where their pay comes from.

Nothing I said is different. You just went off on a tangent because you misread what I said. Free healthcare socialized medicine. Thats when the hospitals are owned by the government and the medical personnel are all employees of the government. Operating Costs would be lowered considerably. Doctors would start at the rank of Captain, Nurses would start as 1st LTs, and aides, specialists and technicians would be enlisted. The chief administrator, depending on the size of the hospital and staff, could be a Colonel in smaller hospitals and up to a 2 star General in larger ones. People would still be required to have government insurance so as to offset operational costs but it would all be controlled centrally by the Feds instead of individual states or greedy private entities.

Operational costs would be controlled by the Feds....so would the quality (lack of).

I never heard any soldiers complaining about their medical care in Military hospitals and clinics.

VA Hospitals Scandal - News & Videos - CBS News

Give us some stories and statistics on private hospital scandals. Personally, I like the VA healthcare - and so do most of my friends - including the ones who also have private healthcare insurance as I do.

You want stories on private hospital scandals...do try to stay on topic.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Even if it's true, it only highlights your ineptitude as an employer to do better for your employees.

While Premiums Soar Under Obamacare, Costs of Employer-Based Plans Are Stable

I posted the premium page earlier so you can look

And you obviously don't know shit about the plans available to me in my state and your article was about 2016 premiums.

Maybe you should read the shit you post

like this part that was from a link in the article you posted

In 2016, the average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance are $6,435 for single coverage and $18,142 for family coverage. The average family premium rose 3% over the 2015 average premium while the increase in the premium for single coverage was not statistically significant.

so now tell me what the differences in 2015 and 2016 insurance premiums has to do with the 2018 premiums I posted

Better yet, you tell me how you claim premiums are up 80% when the trend from previous years does not reflect that.

Next time you try to lie, at least keep it believable.

Here you go Dickless
View attachment 166236

That's not proof of anything.
How about you post some supporting evidence such as articles or a link to the insurer's web page that state premiums will rise that significantly in 2018.

Obamacare premiums are set to soar in 2018 — but there's a big catch

It proves how much the premiums for my employees are rising. You see you post news articles full of bullshit I give you a page from my insurance company which is Anthem BCBS CT telling me what the premiums for my employees will be and the percentage of the increase over 2017 rates

and I'm not turning off my ad blocker to read your links

It proves how much the premiums for my employees are rising

It doesn't. It's a document that you claim is your employee premiums.

Like I said, post links from your state or from your insurer that speak to such rate hikes.

 

[JQPublic1]

Nothing I said is different. You just went off on a tangent because you misread what I said. Free healthcare socialized medicine. Thats when the hospitals are owned by the government and the medical personnel are all employees of the government. Operating Costs would be lowered considerably. Doctors would start at the rank of Captain, Nurses would start as 1st LTs, and aides, specialists and technicians would be enlisted. The chief administrator, depending on the size of the hospital and staff, could be a Colonel in smaller hospitals and up to a 2 star General in larger ones. People would still be required to have government insurance so as to offset operational costs but it would all be controlled centrally by the Feds instead of individual states or greedy private entities.

Operational costs would be controlled by the Feds....so would the quality (lack of).

I never heard any soldiers complaining about their medical care in Military hospitals and clinics.

Evidently you also haven't heard of any of the VA scandals over the last 10-20 years.

The VA is run by civilians... military hospitals have had no such scandals...

Like Walter Reed?
Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal - Wikipedia

Well, ok you found ONE. But in my 22 years of military service I never encountered anything like that in military medical facilities. I received top notch medical and dental care and so did my family.

 

[Thinker101]

Operational costs would be controlled by the Feds....so would the quality (lack of).

I never heard any soldiers complaining about their medical care in Military hospitals and clinics.

Evidently you also haven't heard of any of the VA scandals over the last 10-20 years.

The VA is run by civilians... military hospitals have had no such scandals...

Like Walter Reed?
Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal - Wikipedia

Well, ok you found ONE. But in my 22 years of military service I never encountered anything like that in military medical facilities. I received top notch medical and dental care and so did my family.

I'm glad you were able to find one that didn't have problems...there were many that did. Thank you for your service.

 

[RealDave]

Why should other people be forced to pay for those 13 million people that’s fucking immoral

Good question: Why should 13 million freeloaders using the emergency room for free drive up insurance costs for the rest of us?

Funny shit - Conservatives used to HATE freeloaders!

Make the insurance companies pay pro bono...

I say eliminate healthcare Insurance companies altogether and install a Federal medical corps. Nationalize all hospitals and make healthcare free.

...and make it 100% Voluntary

/----/ "Nationalize all hospitals and make healthcare free." How are you going to get all those doctors, nurses, administrative people and housekeeping to work for free?

You are certified idiot. How does Medicare work, dumbass.

 

[JQPublic1]

That's the $1.4 trillion lie you have been told to believe. But it is a lie.

Those tax gifts come at the cost of higher tax rates on EVERY taxpayer, and at the cost of borrowing ever larger sums from China.

It's theft. And you bet your ass it is welfare.

Government tax gifts costs $1.4 trillion a year. That's the biggest wealth redistribution in human history.

So, it is your assertion that taking less of my paycheck is a gift?

It's better to take a fraction of your paycheck now than to lose all of it, including your savings, after paying a fortune in hospital bills in the wake of a catastrophic illness. The goal of PPACA was to bring in more revenue to incentivize the insurance companies to lower their rates while also providing subsidies for those who needed insurance coverage the most but had little or no funds i.e., children and many seniors who hadn't reached age 65.

/----/
Define fraction. 95% is a fraction.
If I only steal a fraction of your money is the rest a gift?

95% IS A PERCENTAGE but I know what you mean. I'm just wondering where you came up with that kind of number.

/-----/ I got it from your ambiguous post "It's better to take a fraction of your paycheck " so tell me Dear Lib, what is your definition of a fraction of my paycheck? I bet my definition is different.

I'm a conservative and here is my conservative reply. If you are enrolled in an insurance program whatever fraction of your pay is required to meet the monthly premium is better than having no insurance at all. I hope you are bright enough to understand why!

 

[JQPublic1]

I never heard any soldiers complaining about their medical care in Military hospitals and clinics.

Evidently you also haven't heard of any of the VA scandals over the last 10-20 years.

The VA is run by civilians... military hospitals have had no such scandals...

Like Walter Reed?
Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal - Wikipedia

Well, ok you found ONE. But in my 22 years of military service I never encountered anything like that in military medical facilities. I received top notch medical and dental care and so did my family.

I'm glad you were able to find one that didn't have problems...there were many that did. Thank you for your service.

I found many that never had problems and NONE that did. And Walter Reed was cited as an Army facility it also served as a place where veterans could be treated for service connected injuries. But it was not a VA hospital per se. WR was commanded by a 2 star general. VA facilities are staffed by civilians. Lets not get those mulitple VA scandals mixed up with the single scandal you found pertaining to Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

 

[RealDave]

Not really, subsidies take up the slack for most people and the premiums are pro-rated. If your premiums went up its because you have private insurance and /or your income is above the threshold for subsidies.

By subsidies you mean other people paying way more than they should have to, to subsidize people who get to pay less, for the same damn policy.

No, that's not what I meant at all. Subsidies to poor folk have no bearing on what you and your insurer agree upon. Subsidies come from tax dollars so you should ask your insurer why they raised your premiums ?
My advice to you is to cancel that policy and join a grouo insurance plan. You'll get a better rate.

Who do you think pays for the subsidies the tooth fairy?

Who do you imagine pays,(at a much higher rate BTW), for the uncompensated care that health systems provide?

Taxpayers have always paid for the care of those who can't. The difference is the ACA does it with control.

Riiiiiight ACA is working brilliantly that's why Dem's keep telling us we need to fix it, the American people hate it, and it cost you the House, Senate, and White House that's how fantastic ACA is.

Everything needs some tweaking after a few years.

The ACA is running so well, the dumbass Republicans could not find anything better.

 

[BluesLegend]

By subsidies you mean other people paying way more than they should have to, to subsidize people who get to pay less, for the same damn policy.

No, that's not what I meant at all. Subsidies to poor folk have no bearing on what you and your insurer agree upon. Subsidies come from tax dollars so you should ask your insurer why they raised your premiums ?
My advice to you is to cancel that policy and join a grouo insurance plan. You'll get a better rate.

Who do you think pays for the subsidies the tooth fairy?

Who do you imagine pays,(at a much higher rate BTW), for the uncompensated care that health systems provide?

Taxpayers have always paid for the care of those who can't. The difference is the ACA does it with control.

Riiiiiight ACA is working brilliantly that's why Dem's keep telling us we need to fix it, the American people hate it, and it cost you the House, Senate, and White House that's how fantastic ACA is.

Everything needs some tweaking after a few years.

The ACA is running so well, the dumbass Republicans could not find anything better.

We are tweaking it, the ACA mandate just went down in flames

 

[JQPublic1]

No, that's not what I meant at all. Subsidies to poor folk have no bearing on what you and your insurer agree upon. Subsidies come from tax dollars so you should ask your insurer why they raised your premiums ?
My advice to you is to cancel that policy and join a grouo insurance plan. You'll get a better rate.

Who do you think pays for the subsidies the tooth fairy?

Who do you imagine pays,(at a much higher rate BTW), for the uncompensated care that health systems provide?

Taxpayers have always paid for the care of those who can't. The difference is the ACA does it with control.

Riiiiiight ACA is working brilliantly that's why Dem's keep telling us we need to fix it, the American people hate it, and it cost you the House, Senate, and White House that's how fantastic ACA is.

Everything needs some tweaking after a few years.

The ACA is running so well, the dumbass Republicans could not find anything better.

We are tweaking it, the ACA mandate just went down in flames

And when that reality hits their constituents, the GOP's chances to maintain control over all three branches of government will go down in flames.

 

[BluesLegend]

Who do you think pays for the subsidies the tooth fairy?

Who do you imagine pays,(at a much higher rate BTW), for the uncompensated care that health systems provide?

Taxpayers have always paid for the care of those who can't. The difference is the ACA does it with control.

Riiiiiight ACA is working brilliantly that's why Dem's keep telling us we need to fix it, the American people hate it, and it cost you the House, Senate, and White House that's how fantastic ACA is.

Everything needs some tweaking after a few years.

The ACA is running so well, the dumbass Republicans could not find anything better.

We are tweaking it, the ACA mandate just went down in flames

And when that reality hits their constituents, the GOP's chances to maintain control over all three branches of government will go down in flames.

Republicans were elected in droves when you people passed ACA, wait your logic doesn't seem to add up.

 

[JQPublic1]

Who do you imagine pays,(at a much higher rate BTW), for the uncompensated care that health systems provide?

Taxpayers have always paid for the care of those who can't. The difference is the ACA does it with control.

Riiiiiight ACA is working brilliantly that's why Dem's keep telling us we need to fix it, the American people hate it, and it cost you the House, Senate, and White House that's how fantastic ACA is.

Everything needs some tweaking after a few years.

The ACA is running so well, the dumbass Republicans could not find anything better.

We are tweaking it, the ACA mandate just went down in flames

And when that reality hits their constituents, the GOP's chances to maintain control over all three branches of government will go down in flames.

Republicans were elected in droves when you people passed ACA, wait your logic doesn't seem to add up.

Thats because they thought Obamacare and the ACA were two different things, thanks to the kool-aid fed to them by RW talking heads. Now that they realize the PPACA is Obamacare ad that they are going to lose the insurance they dreamed of for so long... I think we will see a Democrat political renaissance.

 

[BluesLegend]

Riiiiiight ACA is working brilliantly that's why Dem's keep telling us we need to fix it, the American people hate it, and it cost you the House, Senate, and White House that's how fantastic ACA is.

Everything needs some tweaking after a few years.

The ACA is running so well, the dumbass Republicans could not find anything better.

We are tweaking it, the ACA mandate just went down in flames

And when that reality hits their constituents, the GOP's chances to maintain control over all three branches of government will go down in flames.

Republicans were elected in droves when you people passed ACA, wait your logic doesn't seem to add up.

Thats because they thought Obamacare and the ACA were two different things, thanks to the kool-aid fed to them by RW talking heads. Now that they realize the PPACA is Obamacare ad that they are going to lose the insurance they dreamed of for so long... I think we will see a Democrat political renaissance.

Goddamn 6 years later they were still confused and elected Trump who promised to get rid of ACA? Just give up you lost this argument.

 

[JQPublic1]

Everything needs some tweaking after a few years.

The ACA is running so well, the dumbass Republicans could not find anything better.

We are tweaking it, the ACA mandate just went down in flames

And when that reality hits their constituents, the GOP's chances to maintain control over all three branches of government will go down in flames.

Republicans were elected in droves when you people passed ACA, wait your logic doesn't seem to add up.

Thats because they thought Obamacare and the ACA were two different things, thanks to the kool-aid fed to them by RW talking heads. Now that they realize the PPACA is Obamacare ad that they are going to lose the insurance they dreamed of for so long... I think we will see a Democrat political renaissance.

Goddamn 6 years later they were still confused and elected Trump who promised to get rid of ACA? Just give up you lost this argument.

Thats because Trump kept calling the PPACA Obamacare and his poorly educated trump bots couldn't understand the two terms identified the same thing.
But When the GOP took over and told them they would end the medical care they were now receiving the finally made the connection. People started calling their congresspersons because they didn't want to lose their affordable insurance. Thats why the GOP couldn't pass their own health bills... the little people were reacting to their overtures of dismantling something they have come to love.

 

[BluesLegend]

We are tweaking it, the ACA mandate just went down in flames

And when that reality hits their constituents, the GOP's chances to maintain control over all three branches of government will go down in flames.

Republicans were elected in droves when you people passed ACA, wait your logic doesn't seem to add up.

Thats because they thought Obamacare and the ACA were two different things, thanks to the kool-aid fed to them by RW talking heads. Now that they realize the PPACA is Obamacare ad that they are going to lose the insurance they dreamed of for so long... I think we will see a Democrat political renaissance.

Goddamn 6 years later they were still confused and elected Trump who promised to get rid of ACA? Just give up you lost this argument.

Thats because Trump kept calling the PPACA Obamacare and his poorly educated trump bots couldn't understand the two terms identified the same thing.
But When the GOP took over and told them they would end the medical care they were now receiving the finally made the connection. People started calling their congresspersons because they didn't want to lose their affordable insurance. Thats why the GOP couldn't pass their own health bills... the little people were reacting to their overtures of dismantling something they have come to love.

Poorly educated Trump bots outnumber Dem's in PA, MI, and WI?

 

[hadit]

Hannity's pretty smart, actually. Angry and shrill, but no idiot. Of course, you wouldn't know that, would you, since you don't ever listen to him. Or are you a closet Hannity listener?

I LOVE comedy shows......so, YES, I do listen to the idiot........

So, now tell me about an 80 year old lady forced to buy an IUD as you alleged in post #406.....

Any time you require policies to carry coverage unneeded and unwanted by the customer, you're no longer offering the customer an honest deal, you're openly forcing him to pay for things he doesn't receive.

Health insurance is only unneeded if you suddenly drop dead.

Why must someone pay for insurance that covers what they can't get?

You mean like women paying for insurance that covers viagra or Erectile dysfunction treatments.

Yes, you're getting it. I see no need for anyone to involuntarily subsidize another person's sex life, male or female.

 

[danielpalos]

If people choose not to buy health insurance if we don't force them to, how have we taken anything from them?

How does that solve the problem or promote the general welfare?

 

[hadit]

If people choose not to buy health insurance if we don't force them to, how have we taken anything from them?

How does that solve the problem or promote the general welfare?

It allows people to decide how to handle their wealth with less interference from the outside. That is a good thing.

 

[Rustic]

If people choose not to buy health insurance if we don't force them to, how have we taken anything from them?

No one is being FORCED to buy insurance. Some people choose to pay the tax penalty instead. You have a choice, damn it. So in either case when you go to the ER you can hold your head high ( if your neck isn't broken} and truthfully say you're no freeloader.

I pay out of pocket, I did for the birth of both of my daughters... lol