Erickson On Obamacare: 'We Must Deny Them The Opportunity To Fix The Law Itself

[Sallow]

You'll never be able to pin down a conservative into telling you who is conservative or not. The only people they can ever name is people who aren't running.

Its like asking them to name a tea party leader. They keep it real vague and keep their hands off like a drug kingpin doesn't touch the drugs but he controls them

It's basically Rush Limbaugh at this point.

Everything this guy belches is uttered like sacred doctrine throughout the conservative hive mind.

He's basically the queen bee.

 

[Meister]

Oh bullshit.

They didn't "steal" it, it was REPUBLICANS that had a shit fit when Obama originally wanted to go single payer. It was REPUBLICANS that rammed it on Democrats. Then! It went to committee. Then! They refused to LET IT OUT OF COMMITTEE.

So seriously..if you are going to talk about this..at least get the facts right.

If the truth be known, Sallow......a Bill that was a single payer wouldn't have come close to muster the votes needed to pass it. But, you go ahead with your drivel, it's expected from you.

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

 

[Sallow]

If the truth be known, Sallow......a Bill that was a single payer wouldn't have come close to muster the votes needed to pass it. But, you go ahead with your drivel, it's expected from you.

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

That's a whole lotta words there Meister.

All you had to say was you were wrong.

And Obama wanted to get Republicans on board and not use reconciliation to get this through.

Personally, I think he could have gotten single payer through the exact same way.

Which is what he SHOULD have done.

 

[Meister]

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

That's a whole lotta words there Meister.

All you had to say was you were wrong.

And Obama wanted to get Republicans on board on not use reconciliation to get this through.

Personally, I think he could have gotten single payer through the exact same way.

Which is what he SHOULD have done.

What you think and reality is that it ends up being apples and oranges.
He didn't have the democrat votes to push through a socialized agenda of healthcare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If the truth be known, Sallow......a Bill that was a single payer wouldn't have come close to muster the votes needed to pass it. But, you go ahead with your drivel, it's expected from you.

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

So you admit that the President and the Democrats in Congress did the best they could with the votes they had to work with.

Now you're catching on.

 

[The Rabbi]

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

So you admit that the President and the Democrats in Congress did the best they could with the votes they had to work with.

Now you're catching on.

If you call using every dirty trick and questionable maneuver "doing their best" then I'd agree.
Of course if they had actually included Republicans in negotiations instead of declaring "fuck them, we've got the votes" as Rahmbo did, then we probably wouldnt be here.

 

[oreo]

Pulling out the "RACE" card is getting very old--and it doesn't work. LOOK Democrats gave us Obamacare. Not one single Republican voted for it, they were even blocked from attending meetings on it.

I disagree with Erickson. This is the Democrats "baby" and they can go down with the ship. But if Democrats start to number ONE realize they have made some huge mistakes and ask for involvement from Republicans in fixing it--then they should help out. But not until then.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If the truth be known, Sallow......a Bill that was a single payer wouldn't have come close to muster the votes needed to pass it. But, you go ahead with your drivel, it's expected from you.

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

Just so. And if the GOP keeps fouling up as it has, we republicans are going to get hammered next year. Then single payer may be the next great horror.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

That's a whole lotta words there Meister.

All you had to say was you were wrong.

And Obama wanted to get Republicans on board on not use reconciliation to get this through.

Personally, I think he could have gotten single payer through the exact same way.

Which is what he SHOULD have being apples and oranges.
He didn't have the democrat votes to push through a socialized agenda of healthcare.

100% correct

 

[oreo]

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

Just so. And if the GOP keeps fouling up as it has, we republicans are going to get hammered next year. Then single payer may be the next great horror.

Why don't you explain yourself--"just how are the Republicans "fouling" up with Obamacare when they had nothing to do with it? Obama had a full filibuster proof congress the first two years--that's how we got Obamacare--and other poster is right--the only reason we don't have single payer is because DEMOCRATS wouldn't vote for it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

You'll never be able to pin down a conservative into telling you who is conservative or not. The only people they can ever name is people who aren't running.

Its like asking them to name a tea party leader. They keep it real vague and keep their hands off like a drug kingpin doesn't touch the drugs but he controls them

It's basically Rush Limbaugh at this point.

Everything this guy belches is uttered like sacred doctrine throughout the conservative hive mind.

He's basically the queen bee.

Yeah then they do their little "prove it" dance where just because a bunch of people are repeating what Rush says verbatim doesn't mean anything

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

Just so. And if the GOP keeps fouling up as it has, we republicans are going to get hammered next year. Then single payer may be the next great horror.

Why don't you explain yourself--"just how are the Republicans "fouling" up with Obamacare when they had nothing to do with it? Obama had a full filibuster proof congress the first two years--that's how we got Obamacare--and other poster is right--the only reason we don't have single payer is because DEMOCRATS wouldn't vote for it.

We GOP, many of us, have to understand that this is over, and Americans will continue to believe that we GOP are the party of Broken Government.

We can't win elections that way.

The Dems in Congress are so pissed at their GOP counterparts that if they get a Dem House, watch them punish the GOP congresscritters with a single payer plan.

 

[Meister]

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

So you admit that the President and the Democrats in Congress did the best they could with the votes they had to work with.

Now you're catching on.

So your admitting that Obama lied about, "If you like your Dr. you can keep him....PERIOD
If you like your healthcare insurance you can keep it....PERIOD"?
That is how the Bill was packaged to get the votes they needed and they barely got the votes even with the lies.
Yeah, your catching on, huh?

 

[Meister]

Just so. And if the GOP keeps fouling up as it has, we republicans are going to get hammered next year. Then single payer may be the next great horror.

Why don't you explain yourself--"just how are the Republicans "fouling" up with Obamacare when they had nothing to do with it? Obama had a full filibuster proof congress the first two years--that's how we got Obamacare--and other poster is right--the only reason we don't have single payer is because DEMOCRATS wouldn't vote for it.

We GOP, many of us, have to understand that this is over, and Americans will continue to believe that we GOP are the party of Broken Government.

We can't win elections that way.

The Dems in Congress are so pissed at their GOP counterparts that if they get a Dem House, watch them punish the GOP congresscritters with a single payer plan.

What's with the "We" crap, Jake, you've been outted long ago.

 

[oreo]

Just so. And if the GOP keeps fouling up as it has, we republicans are going to get hammered next year. Then single payer may be the next great horror.

Why don't you explain yourself--"just how are the Republicans "fouling" up with Obamacare when they had nothing to do with it? Obama had a full filibuster proof congress the first two years--that's how we got Obamacare--and other poster is right--the only reason we don't have single payer is because DEMOCRATS wouldn't vote for it.

We GOP, many of us, have to understand that this is over, and Americans will continue to believe that we GOP are the party of Broken Government.

We can't win elections that way.

The Dems in Congress are so pissed at their GOP counterparts that if they get a Dem House, watch them punish the GOP congresscritters with a single payer plan.

Have you been watching the polls lately? The "trust" factor with Obama and Democrats is in the tank over Obamacare. We are watching their signature bill implode before our very eyes--and you're worried about what liberals think of Republicans?

The worst thing Republicans could do right now is go along with Democrats down this path of destruction.

Furthermore--we haven't been asked to help fix anything. Democrats are still in charge--in the senate and administration. Until Democrats ask for our ideas--then don't jump in the middle of a circular shooting match between Democrats.

 

[hazlnut]

The law is not based on anything other than Progressive utopianism.

Since when is the Heritage Foundation "progressive"….


????

 

[The Rabbi]

The law is not based on anything other than Progressive utopianism.

Since when is the Heritage Foundation "progressive"….


????

Since when did they write the law?

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Have to love it.

The same liberals who have called republican hostage takers, terrorists, extremist fanatics, and every other disparaging name in the book, are now supposed to help the them out of the massive hole they've dug for themselves.

It would be seriously funny, were they not serious and being taken seriously by gutless neoconservatives.

 

[hazlnut]

What's with the C & K.

It's either Eric or Erik.

Make up your mind dope.

 

[Dot Com]

You'll never be able to pin down a conservative into telling you who is conservative or not. The only people they can ever name is people who aren't running.

Its like asking them to name a tea party leader. They keep it real vague and keep their hands off like a drug kingpin doesn't touch the drugs but he controls them

^ that

Sorry?

You saying I am incorrect?

Lets get this on record.

Let's look at the facts......The democrats didn't need one republican vote to pass whatever they wanted.
Obama did want a single payer system.
If Obama had enough votes to ram that system down everyone's throat, he damn well would have done it.
Obama didn't have enough votes with his own party to get his ideology passed.

Just so. And if the GOP keeps fouling up as it has, we republicans are going to get hammered next year. Then single payer may be the next great horror.

yep Israel has it & I don't hear them like 97.5% of the repub-voters on this board Medicare part D didn't get off to a flawless start but thats just different. It just is.