Europe as a whole is more violent than U.S. As a whole....even with gun restrictions....

[SteadyMercury]

More on US vs. Canada

Crime in Canada - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In more recent years, the USA as a country still typically has higher violent crimes rates. In 2012, the homicide rate in the USA was 4.7 per 100,000 residents,[31] Canada's was 3 times lower at 1.6,[23] however one should note the chances of being murdered at random are extremely low in both countries. In Canada, only 15% of murders are committed by strangers,[37] in the USA this number is very similar at 14%,[38] meaning in 50 years your chance of being murdered at random is 0.000128% in Canada,[39]in the USA it is 0.000329% (of course these numbers would vary by neighborhoods within each country). Certain methods of homicide are used more frequently in each country; in Canada (0.59),[40] stabbing homicides occur 51.3% more often than in the USA (0.39),[41] however firearm homicides occur 440% more in the USA (2.7) than in Canada (0.5). In the USA, you are 3 times more likely to die being shot (17.4%) then being stabbed (5.3%).[42]

Beyond homicides, the USA (112.9) has a higher robbery rate - 42.2% higher than Canada (79.4). Other violent crimes such as physical assaults or sexual assaults are not very comparable between the countries because of different definitions of the crimes. The disparity in property crime is not as large, however it still exists.

The burglary/break-in rate in the USA (670.2) is 33.1% higher than in Canada (503.7), the theft rate in the USA (1959.3) is 33.4% higher than in Canada (1468.4), and the auto-theft rate in the USA (229.7) is slightly higher than the rate in Canada (223.5).

 

[SteadyMercury]

Most of these comparisons are largely meaningless.
Whereas murder is largely clear cut, everything else suffers from the level of reporting and the definition of a particular crime in each country.

Yep, bottom line a lot of this shit is apples and oranges.

 

[skookerasbil]

Harvard University last year put this debate to rest once and for all..........published in the Journal of Law and Public Policy!!

more guns = less crimes.

its not even debatable!!!

Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders other violent crime

Harvard study proves gun-grabbers 8217 argument dead wrong - BizPac Review

In European countries where there are gun bans.........murder rates are MUCH higher!!!

 

[2aguy]

What I'm asking is where he got his numbers from. He has no source.

I would say go to that site...they are pretty friendly and more than willing to help people out with their questions....

 

[2aguy]

Assaults that cause serious bodily injury 12 countries in Europe have much higher rates The US rate is 262 per 100000. the English and wales rate is 730 and Scotland is 1487.

As long as those people are just brutally beaten or raped....it's all good as long as a gun isn't used....

 

[2aguy]

Most of these comparisons are largely meaningless.
Whereas murder is largely clear cut, everything else suffers from the level of reporting and the definition of a particular crime in each country.

For example....Britain doesn't count a murder a murder till there is a sentence at trial and all the appeals are completed....give them a lot better numbers....

 

[2aguy]

From Extranosalley...the crime stats for Canada and the U.S.....

2013 Canada Crime Rate Compared To US Extrano s Alley a gun blog

These are the stats they use for Canada...

Table 5 Police-reported crime for selected offences Canada 2012 and 2013

Table 5
Police-reported crime for selected offences, Canada, 2012 and 2013

Table 5
Police-reported crime for selected offences, Canada, 2012 and 2013
Table summary
This table displays the results of Police-reported crime for selected offences. The information is grouped by Type of offence (appearing as row headers), 2012, 2013, Percent change in rate 2012 to 2013 and Percent change in rate 2003 to 2013, calculated using number, rate and percent units of measure (appearing as column headers).

 

[skookerasbil]

Billy.....bookmark that link I posted above.......the Harvard one. It decimates any and all k00k gun grabber arguments!!


dEcImAtEs

 

[2aguy]

I know...I love that study....it just shows how little they know about the real world...thanks for posting it...do you ever go to extranos...it is a great collection site...

 

[idb]

Hmmm...not everyone agrees that it's such a devastating piece of research;

The article appears in a publication, described as a "student law review for conservative and libertarian
legal scholarship.” It does not appear to be a peer-reviewed journal, or one that is searching for truth as
opposed to presenting a certain world view. The paper itself is not a scientific article, but a polemic,
making the claim that gun availability does not affect homicide or suicide. It does this by ignoring most
of the scientific literature, and by making too many incorrect and illogical claims.
<snip>
Too many of the other claims by Kates and Mauser are also misleading; most of the issues are discussed
in Private Guns and Public Health, which tries to discuss all the relevant scientific literature, rather than
just one side for some debate. The Kates and Mauser article is simply a one-sided polemic, usually
misleading, and does not deserve much attention.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1264/2013/06/Kates-Mauser.pdf


Home David Hemenway Harvard School of Public Health

 

[2aguy]

Hemenway has been proven wrong...his study is innacurate....more later...

 

[2aguy]

I think hemenway is the one who relies on the National Crime Victimization Survey....there are problems with using their numbers since they are so far away from 18 other studies, which were conducted over 40 years by different researchers from both private and government researchers, that his numbers are the odd ones out....

I think this points out the flaw in the NCVS numbers...

Forbes article on Cato institute study on defensive gun uses...they culled through reports to get their number...

Disarming the Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby - Forbes

A National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) which asked victims if they had used a gun in self-defense found that about 108,000 each year had done so. A big problem with the NCVS line of survey reasoning, however, is that it only includes those uses where a citizen kills a criminal, not when one is only wounded, is held by the intended victim until police arrive, or when brandishing a gun caused a criminal to flee.

For these reasons, the Cato researchers investigated published news reports which much more often reveal how Americans use guns in self-defense. The data set is derived from a collection of nearly 5,000 randomly selected incidents published between October 2003 and November 2011. Still, the authors also recognize limitations with this approach, since many defensive incidents are never reported by victims, or when they are, never get published. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the successful self-defense outcomes are those where the defendants’ guns are presented but never fired.