Evangelicals explain their support for Trump. It's the racism that stands out.

[martybegan]

Show me the bakers in question baking a cake celebrating any of those things.

And the commandments aren't the only rules in the bible. Nice try.

Some baker made a cake for Trump and Melania

Ten Commandments are the mighty TEN
Others are....by the way

If god was so opposed to homosexuality, why didn’t it make the top ten?
Coveting did

So, homosexuality must rank somewhere below coveting your neighbors goods and maybe above eating shellfish

Considering we have freedom of religion (or we used to) in this country, that isn't up to you to judge, and unless there is an overwhelming government interest, it isnt' up to government ot judge either. and when they do have to intervene it's only via the least intrusive method possible.

Of course it is for me to judge

I am a world renowned message board poster....it’s what I do

Judging implies a binding verdict, you can critique, you can opine, but you can't judge.

You don’t understand the Interwebs

My decisions are final

You probably think you are Napoleon as well.

 

[SweetSue92]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Absolutely could not.

These same heckling mob that chastises us for voting for Trump would absolutely rake us over the coals if we refused to vote for the First Gay Republican President---say, Guy Benson. You bet they would. And yes, I would vote for Guy Benson **if he did not force the issue of gay marriage**, for example.

If Donald Trump were fronting that adultery should be endorsed for every marriage, or accepted in the church--nope, wouldn't get my vote. He is a terrible husband, no doubt about it. If my daughter showed up at the door with a man like Donald Trump as potential husband I would NOT be happy. But I did not vote for a husband or a pastor, but a president. And he is a great president.

I just love that the Left has become every purse-lipped, wagging finger, tongue-clucking Church Lady we grew up with. Makes me laugh every blessed day.

 

[cnm]

Always quite humorous when atheist liberals like you [Witchit] try to lecture Christian people about their faith and how they should practice it. ...

Donald Trump does a much better job lecturing Muslims, agreed.

 

[rightwinger]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Absolutely could not.

These same heckling mob that chastises us for voting for Trump would absolutely rake us over the coals if we refused to vote for the First Gay Republican President---say, Guy Benson. You bet they would. And yes, I would vote for Guy Benson **if he did not force the issue of gay marriage**, for example.

If Donald Trump were fronting that adultery should be endorsed for every marriage, or accepted in the church--nope, wouldn't get my vote. He is a terrible husband, no doubt about it. If my daughter showed up at the door with a man like Donald Trump as potential husband I would NOT be happy. But I did not vote for a husband or a pastor, but a president. And he is a great president.

I just love that the Left has become every purse-lipped, wagging finger, tongue-clucking Church Lady we grew up with. Makes me laugh every blessed day.

Merely pointing out the hypocrisy of evangelicals

Given their outrage over Clinton, their excusing of Trumps many, many flaws is laughable

Their beliefs seem situational

 

[SweetSue92]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Absolutely could not.

These same heckling mob that chastises us for voting for Trump would absolutely rake us over the coals if we refused to vote for the First Gay Republican President---say, Guy Benson. You bet they would. And yes, I would vote for Guy Benson **if he did not force the issue of gay marriage**, for example.

If Donald Trump were fronting that adultery should be endorsed for every marriage, or accepted in the church--nope, wouldn't get my vote. He is a terrible husband, no doubt about it. If my daughter showed up at the door with a man like Donald Trump as potential husband I would NOT be happy. But I did not vote for a husband or a pastor, but a president. And he is a great president.

I just love that the Left has become every purse-lipped, wagging finger, tongue-clucking Church Lady we grew up with. Makes me laugh every blessed day.

Merely pointing out the hypocrisy of evangelicals

Given their outrage over Clinton, their excusing of Trumps many, many flaws is laughable

Their beliefs seem situational

Donald Trump does have many, many flaws as a husband. Absolutely. I would not have wanted to marry him and would be appalled if my daughter did. No doubt about it.

However, he is not messing around with an intern in the Oval Office that we know about--and I hope he would not be that foolish. That we know, he has messed around with ALL his wives, which is a deep sin, and which I do not endorse. However, this was before he was president, and not while on the job "for the American people". Hattip Bill Clinton. If I recall correctly, while that was happening, liberals told us it was no big deal--it was just sex, after all. Right?

 

[Borillar]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

Liberals anoint their candidates.....like calling Hussein god, or the messiah, or Jesus......all of which they did.


Here's a dozen reasons why Trump was elected by real Americans:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,
against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,
against $20 trillion national debt...

...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism

And yet they got 3 million more votes than Trump.

Actually, no they didn't.

We don't count the votes of illegal aliens, the ones Obama told to go out and vote.


Illegals get driver's licenses that say no voting.....

Really?

I say Democrat's who work the polls ignore that blue bar and simply look at the name on the driver's license.

And guess what?

"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!





California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015

Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/



Looking for the biggest Cinco de Mayo celebration in the world? Look no further than Fiesta Broadway in Los Angeles, where hundreds of thousands of people come out for food, music and crafts in a celebration of Hispanic heritage.
Who was the last U.S. President that sported facial hair while in office?




"Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote
Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers. Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



13% of 60 million is 7.8 million illegal alien votes.

13% of 80 million is 10.4 million illegal alien votes.

Damn...I thought that one was debunked years ago

Guess PC didn’t get the message

Yeah, well PC isn’t one to let facts get in the way of her twisted belief system. She probably still thinks the Earth is flat and only 6000 years old.

 

[Lysistrata]

Even had a commandment written about it
Nothing about homosexuality

Murder...Yup
Stealing....yup
Adultery....yup
Coveting....yup


Homosexuality? Nope

Show me the bakers in question baking a cake celebrating any of those things.

And the commandments aren't the only rules in the bible. Nice try.

Some baker made a cake for Trump and Melania

Ten Commandments are the mighty TEN
Others are....by the way

If god was so opposed to homosexuality, why didn’t it make the top ten?
Coveting did

So, homosexuality must rank somewhere below coveting your neighbors goods and maybe above eating shellfish

Considering we have freedom of religion (or we used to) in this country, that isn't up to you to judge, and unless there is an overwhelming government interest, it isnt' up to government ot judge either. and when they do have to intervene it's only via the least intrusive method possible.

Of course it is for me to judge

I am a world renowned message board poster....it’s what I do

Judging implies a binding verdict, you can critique, you can opine, but you can't judge.

A binding verdict means the decision of a tribunal that has legitimate authority and meets its obligation to rule in a neutral manner. All else is critique and opinion. USMB posters are up to our ears in it. Every day. You don't accept all of the beliefs of all of the world's religions, do you? Don't you find some of them silly or offensive or dangerous to others?

 

[rightwinger]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Absolutely could not.

These same heckling mob that chastises us for voting for Trump would absolutely rake us over the coals if we refused to vote for the First Gay Republican President---say, Guy Benson. You bet they would. And yes, I would vote for Guy Benson **if he did not force the issue of gay marriage**, for example.

If Donald Trump were fronting that adultery should be endorsed for every marriage, or accepted in the church--nope, wouldn't get my vote. He is a terrible husband, no doubt about it. If my daughter showed up at the door with a man like Donald Trump as potential husband I would NOT be happy. But I did not vote for a husband or a pastor, but a president. And he is a great president.

I just love that the Left has become every purse-lipped, wagging finger, tongue-clucking Church Lady we grew up with. Makes me laugh every blessed day.

Merely pointing out the hypocrisy of evangelicals

Given their outrage over Clinton, their excusing of Trumps many, many flaws is laughable

Their beliefs seem situational

Donald Trump does have many, many flaws as a husband. Absolutely. I would not have wanted to marry him and would be appalled if my daughter did. No doubt about it.

However, he is not messing around with an intern in the Oval Office that we know about--and I hope he would not be that foolish. That we know, he has messed around with ALL his wives, which is a deep sin, and which I do not endorse. However, this was before he was president, and not while on the job "for the American people". Hattip Bill Clinton. If I recall correctly, while that was happening, liberals told us it was no big deal--it was just sex, after all. Right?

Yet, evangelicals condemned Clinton and flock to Trump

Hypocrites

 

[PoliticalChic]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

Liberals anoint their candidates.....like calling Hussein god, or the messiah, or Jesus......all of which they did.


Here's a dozen reasons why Trump was elected by real Americans:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,
against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,
against $20 trillion national debt...

...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism

And yet they got 3 million more votes than Trump.

Actually, no they didn't.

We don't count the votes of illegal aliens, the ones Obama told to go out and vote.


Illegals get driver's licenses that say no voting.....

Really?

I say Democrat's who work the polls ignore that blue bar and simply look at the name on the driver's license.

And guess what?

"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!





California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015

Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/



Looking for the biggest Cinco de Mayo celebration in the world? Look no further than Fiesta Broadway in Los Angeles, where hundreds of thousands of people come out for food, music and crafts in a celebration of Hispanic heritage.
Who was the last U.S. President that sported facial hair while in office?




"Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote
Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers. Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



13% of 60 million is 7.8 million illegal alien votes.

13% of 80 million is 10.4 million illegal alien votes.

Damn...I thought that one was debunked years ago

Guess PC didn’t get the message

Yeah, well PC isn’t one to let facts get in the way of her twisted belief system. She probably still thinks the Earth is flat and only 6000 years old.

Unlike you.....this phrase about moi is accurate; "She probably still thinks"

 

[martybegan]

Show me the bakers in question baking a cake celebrating any of those things.

And the commandments aren't the only rules in the bible. Nice try.

Some baker made a cake for Trump and Melania

Ten Commandments are the mighty TEN
Others are....by the way

If god was so opposed to homosexuality, why didn’t it make the top ten?
Coveting did

So, homosexuality must rank somewhere below coveting your neighbors goods and maybe above eating shellfish

Considering we have freedom of religion (or we used to) in this country, that isn't up to you to judge, and unless there is an overwhelming government interest, it isnt' up to government ot judge either. and when they do have to intervene it's only via the least intrusive method possible.

Of course it is for me to judge

I am a world renowned message board poster....it’s what I do

Judging implies a binding verdict, you can critique, you can opine, but you can't judge.

A binding verdict means the decision of a tribunal that has legitimate authority and meets its obligation to rule in a neutral manner. All else is critique and opinion. USMB posters are up to our ears in it. Every day. You don't accept all of the beliefs of all of the world's religions, do you? Don't you find some of them silly or offensive or dangerous to others?

They can be silly all they want. Unless their practices create an actual harm (and butt hurt is not harm) the government should leave them the hell alone.

 

[Lysistrata]

Some baker made a cake for Trump and Melania

Ten Commandments are the mighty TEN
Others are....by the way

If god was so opposed to homosexuality, why didn’t it make the top ten?
Coveting did

So, homosexuality must rank somewhere below coveting your neighbors goods and maybe above eating shellfish

Considering we have freedom of religion (or we used to) in this country, that isn't up to you to judge, and unless there is an overwhelming government interest, it isnt' up to government ot judge either. and when they do have to intervene it's only via the least intrusive method possible.

Of course it is for me to judge

I am a world renowned message board poster....it’s what I do

Judging implies a binding verdict, you can critique, you can opine, but you can't judge.

A binding verdict means the decision of a tribunal that has legitimate authority and meets its obligation to rule in a neutral manner. All else is critique and opinion. USMB posters are up to our ears in it. Every day. You don't accept all of the beliefs of all of the world's religions, do you? Don't you find some of them silly or offensive or dangerous to others?

They can be silly all they want. Unless their practices create an actual harm (and butt hurt is not harm) the government should leave them the hell alone.

And what exactly has the government done to them that was the result of singling them out from the rest of the public?

{{meta.pageTitle}}

Employment Division v. Smith, in which Justice Scalia wrote for the majority:

Yes. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, observed that the Court has never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that government is free to regulate. Allowing exceptions to every state law or regulation affecting religion "would open the prospect of constitutionally required exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind." Scalia cited as examples compulsory military service, payment of taxes, vaccination requirements, and child-neglect laws.
​

 

[martybegan]

Considering we have freedom of religion (or we used to) in this country, that isn't up to you to judge, and unless there is an overwhelming government interest, it isnt' up to government ot judge either. and when they do have to intervene it's only via the least intrusive method possible.

Of course it is for me to judge

I am a world renowned message board poster....it’s what I do

Judging implies a binding verdict, you can critique, you can opine, but you can't judge.

A binding verdict means the decision of a tribunal that has legitimate authority and meets its obligation to rule in a neutral manner. All else is critique and opinion. USMB posters are up to our ears in it. Every day. You don't accept all of the beliefs of all of the world's religions, do you? Don't you find some of them silly or offensive or dangerous to others?

They can be silly all they want. Unless their practices create an actual harm (and butt hurt is not harm) the government should leave them the hell alone.

And what exactly has the government done to them that was the result of singling them out from the rest of the public?

{{meta.pageTitle}}

Employment Division v. Smith, in which Justice Scalia wrote for the majority:

Yes. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, observed that the Court has never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that government is free to regulate. Allowing exceptions to every state law or regulation affecting religion "would open the prospect of constitutionally required exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind." Scalia cited as examples compulsory military service, payment of taxes, vaccination requirements, and child-neglect laws.
​

There is a difference between taxes, military service, child laws and forcing someone to provide a non time sensitive, non-crucial contracted service.

And even Scalia can be wrong sometimes.

And when remedies are made, as in the case of pacifists and military service, they are given other options, such as being a medic, or some other non combat role.

They aren't forced to bear arms against someone else, they are just required to serve. That is the least invasive method of resolving the issue.

"bake or else" is not the least invasive method.

 

[Lysistrata]

Of course it is for me to judge

I am a world renowned message board poster....it’s what I do

Judging implies a binding verdict, you can critique, you can opine, but you can't judge.

A binding verdict means the decision of a tribunal that has legitimate authority and meets its obligation to rule in a neutral manner. All else is critique and opinion. USMB posters are up to our ears in it. Every day. You don't accept all of the beliefs of all of the world's religions, do you? Don't you find some of them silly or offensive or dangerous to others?

They can be silly all they want. Unless their practices create an actual harm (and butt hurt is not harm) the government should leave them the hell alone.

And what exactly has the government done to them that was the result of singling them out from the rest of the public?

{{meta.pageTitle}}

Employment Division v. Smith, in which Justice Scalia wrote for the majority:

Yes. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, observed that the Court has never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that government is free to regulate. Allowing exceptions to every state law or regulation affecting religion "would open the prospect of constitutionally required exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind." Scalia cited as examples compulsory military service, payment of taxes, vaccination requirements, and child-neglect laws.
​

There is a difference between taxes, military service, child laws and forcing someone to provide a non time sensitive, non-crucial contracted service.

And even Scalia can be wrong sometimes.

And when remedies are made, as in the case of pacifists and military service, they are given other options, such as being a medic, or some other non combat role.

They aren't forced to bear arms against someone else, they are just required to serve. That is the least invasive method of resolving the issue.

"bake or else" is not the least invasive method.

Then go private. We have public-accommodation laws for a good reason, and this guy signed on when he got his business license. His advertising never said a word. What's to stop another unsuspecting customer from walking in?

 

[bodecea]

Liberals anoint their candidates.....like calling Hussein god, or the messiah, or Jesus......all of which they did.


Here's a dozen reasons why Trump was elected by real Americans:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,
against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,
against $20 trillion national debt...

...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism

And yet they got 3 million more votes than Trump.

Actually, no they didn't.

We don't count the votes of illegal aliens, the ones Obama told to go out and vote.


Illegals get driver's licenses that say no voting.....

Really?

I say Democrat's who work the polls ignore that blue bar and simply look at the name on the driver's license.

And guess what?

"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!





California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015

Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/



Looking for the biggest Cinco de Mayo celebration in the world? Look no further than Fiesta Broadway in Los Angeles, where hundreds of thousands of people come out for food, music and crafts in a celebration of Hispanic heritage.
Who was the last U.S. President that sported facial hair while in office?




"Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote
Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers. Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



13% of 60 million is 7.8 million illegal alien votes.

13% of 80 million is 10.4 million illegal alien votes.

Damn...I thought that one was debunked years ago

Guess PC didn’t get the message

Yeah, well PC isn’t one to let facts get in the way of her twisted belief system. She probably still thinks the Earth is flat and only 6000 years old.

Unlike you.....this phrase about moi is accurate; "She probably still thinks"

So people work very very hard to convince others (and themselves) that they are smart.......it's pretty funny to watch that struggle.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And yet they got 3 million more votes than Trump.

Actually, no they didn't.

We don't count the votes of illegal aliens, the ones Obama told to go out and vote.


Illegals get driver's licenses that say no voting.....

Really?

I say Democrat's who work the polls ignore that blue bar and simply look at the name on the driver's license.

And guess what?

"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!





California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015

Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/



Looking for the biggest Cinco de Mayo celebration in the world? Look no further than Fiesta Broadway in Los Angeles, where hundreds of thousands of people come out for food, music and crafts in a celebration of Hispanic heritage.
Who was the last U.S. President that sported facial hair while in office?




"Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote
Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers. Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



13% of 60 million is 7.8 million illegal alien votes.

13% of 80 million is 10.4 million illegal alien votes.

Damn...I thought that one was debunked years ago

Guess PC didn’t get the message

Yeah, well PC isn’t one to let facts get in the way of her twisted belief system. She probably still thinks the Earth is flat and only 6000 years old.

Unlike you.....this phrase about moi is accurate; "She probably still thinks"

So people work very very hard to convince others (and themselves) that they are smart.......it's pretty funny to watch that struggle.

Study and achievement does that.....but, you wouldn't understand that, huh?

 

[martybegan]

Judging implies a binding verdict, you can critique, you can opine, but you can't judge.

A binding verdict means the decision of a tribunal that has legitimate authority and meets its obligation to rule in a neutral manner. All else is critique and opinion. USMB posters are up to our ears in it. Every day. You don't accept all of the beliefs of all of the world's religions, do you? Don't you find some of them silly or offensive or dangerous to others?

They can be silly all they want. Unless their practices create an actual harm (and butt hurt is not harm) the government should leave them the hell alone.

And what exactly has the government done to them that was the result of singling them out from the rest of the public?

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Employment Division v. Smith, in which Justice Scalia wrote for the majority:

Yes. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, observed that the Court has never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that government is free to regulate. Allowing exceptions to every state law or regulation affecting religion "would open the prospect of constitutionally required exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind." Scalia cited as examples compulsory military service, payment of taxes, vaccination requirements, and child-neglect laws.
​

There is a difference between taxes, military service, child laws and forcing someone to provide a non time sensitive, non-crucial contracted service.

And even Scalia can be wrong sometimes.

And when remedies are made, as in the case of pacifists and military service, they are given other options, such as being a medic, or some other non combat role.

They aren't forced to bear arms against someone else, they are just required to serve. That is the least invasive method of resolving the issue.

"bake or else" is not the least invasive method.

Then go private. We have public-accommodation laws for a good reason, and this guy signed on when he got his business license. His advertising never said a word. What's to stop another unsuspecting customer from walking in?

A contracted service is not a public accomodation. The people involved in these suits have never said they want to deny point of sale service, which is what is actually a public accomodation. What your side does is consider any time money changes hands a PA.

So a person walks in, and then has to go to another baker, for a contracted service to take place weeks or months later?

That requires the "bake or else" mentality and the six figure fines that are being applied?

 

[playtime]

We started having real problems when we mixed our faith & our politics, just my view, government and God have a different agenda.

Our constitution is based upon liberty as defined biblically.

When did we start having *real problems*? I maintain that when we got hysterical about separating out faith from politics is when the problems began.

fortunately our founding fathers were wiser than you & your fundie ilk.


U.S. Constitution - Article 6
[...]

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists
The Final Letter, as Sent
To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

Jefferson’s inconsequential ramblings about religion is not the “founders”, idiot.

That is like taking a clip from an Obama’s democratic fundraiser in 2006 where he said he would like to see a single payer healthcare and insisting that America has had a single payer health care system since 2006.

the first part is from the CONSTITUTION... you know who wrote that?

the founding fathers. you dope. & jefferson is inconsequential? he was the author of the establishment clause which is what he was writing about to the Danburt Baptists.

That letter is considered to be very important.

Your letter has nothing to do with what is written in the Constitution. All it says is that Catholics and Protestants cannot pillary each other legitimately for running as a person practicing their faith. The founders never would have dreamed that Muslims or Buddhists etc would be using this clause, much less some idiot trying to interpret religion out of the public square.

Jefferson’s personal feelings about religion were overruled by the other founding fathers. He was not the only one who had a say.

U.S. Constitution - Article 6
[...]

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

 

[koshergrl]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Absolutely could not.

These same heckling mob that chastises us for voting for Trump would absolutely rake us over the coals if we refused to vote for the First Gay Republican President---say, Guy Benson. You bet they would. And yes, I would vote for Guy Benson **if he did not force the issue of gay marriage**, for example.

If Donald Trump were fronting that adultery should be endorsed for every marriage, or accepted in the church--nope, wouldn't get my vote. He is a terrible husband, no doubt about it. If my daughter showed up at the door with a man like Donald Trump as potential husband I would NOT be happy. But I did not vote for a husband or a pastor, but a president. And he is a great president.

I just love that the Left has become every purse-lipped, wagging finger, tongue-clucking Church Lady we grew up with. Makes me laugh every blessed day.

All his ex wives seem to like him.

 

[playtime]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Absolutely could not.

These same heckling mob that chastises us for voting for Trump would absolutely rake us over the coals if we refused to vote for the First Gay Republican President---say, Guy Benson. You bet they would. And yes, I would vote for Guy Benson **if he did not force the issue of gay marriage**, for example.

If Donald Trump were fronting that adultery should be endorsed for every marriage, or accepted in the church--nope, wouldn't get my vote. He is a terrible husband, no doubt about it. If my daughter showed up at the door with a man like Donald Trump as potential husband I would NOT be happy. But I did not vote for a husband or a pastor, but a president. And he is a great president.

I just love that the Left has become every purse-lipped, wagging finger, tongue-clucking Church Lady we grew up with. Makes me laugh every blessed day.

 

[playtime]

Judgment Days

In a small Alabama town, an evangelical congregation reckons with God, President Trump and the meaning of morality

A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”

But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.

It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.

This is a really good read for all those of us who absolutely cannot grasp how people who call themselves people of faith have embraced an obviously unchristian man.

Most of it seems to be a reaction to Obama, and the lies they chose to believe about him. Which - I mean, that's not really any surprise.

What is going to be a surprise is when they get turned away at the pearly gates.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Absolutely could not.

These same heckling mob that chastises us for voting for Trump would absolutely rake us over the coals if we refused to vote for the First Gay Republican President---say, Guy Benson. You bet they would. And yes, I would vote for Guy Benson **if he did not force the issue of gay marriage**, for example.

If Donald Trump were fronting that adultery should be endorsed for every marriage, or accepted in the church--nope, wouldn't get my vote. He is a terrible husband, no doubt about it. If my daughter showed up at the door with a man like Donald Trump as potential husband I would NOT be happy. But I did not vote for a husband or a pastor, but a president. And he is a great president.

I just love that the Left has become every purse-lipped, wagging finger, tongue-clucking Church Lady we grew up with. Makes me laugh every blessed day.

All his ex wives seem to like him.

they are all money grubbers, that's why.