Even Jesus Is A Zionist

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Zionists putting themselves above God, even.

What arrogance.

Pride cometh before a fall.

God (and his son) in the old and New Testaments are Zionist. Both are true. DOY!

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Jesus says He is the Son of God , continue in your disbelief in Jesus as the Son of God and hell awaits you.

I choose to accept Jesus as a Zionist Jew and an Israelite, as he explained himself to be:

Romans 11: I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

There goes Jihad Sherri's Jesus was a Palestinian" myth down the toilet.

 

[Hossfly]

Jesus says He is the Son of God , continue in your disbelief in Jesus as the Son of God and hell awaits you.

I choose to accept Jesus as a Zionist Jew and an Israelite, as he explained himself to be:

Romans 11: I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

There goes Jihad Sherri's Jesus was a Palestinian" myth down the toilet.

Assuming that you're right, what do you say about Romans 11?

 

[MJB12741]

Be careful Roudy. If she learns about Jesus & Christianity she may leave us. Then where will we go for fun & laughs?

I choose to accept Jesus as a Zionist Jew and an Israelite, as he explained himself to be:

Romans 11: I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

There goes Jihad Sherri's Jesus was a Palestinian" myth down the toilet.

 

[Shaarona]

Jesus says He is the Son of God , continue in your disbelief in Jesus as the Son of God and hell awaits you.

I choose to accept Jesus as a Zionist Jew and an Israelite, as he explained himself to be:

Romans 11: I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

There goes Jihad Sherri's Jesus was a Palestinian" myth down the toilet.

Assuming that you're right, what do you say about Romans 11?

You mean the letter to the Romans?

Romans 11 - The Remnant of Israel - I ask then: Did - Bible Gateway

FYI the Israelis seem to believe that the Pashtun are descended from the tribe of Benjamin.

 

[aris2chat]

Jesus says He is the Son of God , continue in your disbelief in Jesus as the Son of God and hell awaits you.

Assuming that you're right, what do you say about Romans 11?

You mean the letter to the Romans?

Romans 11 - The Remnant of Israel - I ask then: Did - Bible Gateway

FYI the Israelis seem to believe that the Pashtun are descended from the tribe of Benjamin.

>>“The deliverer will come from Zion;<<
So why are you so objectionable to zionism? Jews and the torah are the roots in the holy land. Without them, christianity or islam would not exist.
If you actually believe in prophecies, or we actually create the outcome ourselves, Jerusalem and the jewish temple play a part.
......... and in the end of the whole book, there is a thousand years of peace. Nice ending, unless the book ended in the 1st Century and anything after that is man creating his own fulfillment because he did not understand the book or history, or just to manipulate people.

still peace sounds nice

 

[Shaarona]

Assuming that you're right, what do you say about Romans 11?

You mean the letter to the Romans?

Romans 11 - The Remnant of Israel - I ask then: Did - Bible Gateway

FYI the Israelis seem to believe that the Pashtun are descended from the tribe of Benjamin.

>>“The deliverer will come from Zion;<<
So why are you so objectionable to zionism? Jews and the torah are the roots in the holy land. Without them, christianity or islam would not exist.
If you actually believe in prophecies, or we actually create the outcome ourselves, Jerusalem and the jewish temple play a part.
......... and in the end of the whole book, there is a thousand years of peace. Nice ending, unless the book ended in the 1st Century and anything after that is man creating his own fulfillment because he did not understand the book or history, or just to manipulate people.

still peace sounds nice

There were schools for prophets all over Palestine.. IMO they were more political and social commentators rather than fortune tellers... as most prophesies were after the fact.

IMO the Kingdom of God has come.. Many Christians believe that we are saved even before death. The Roman occupation ended and we no longer follow the laws and rituals created by the Levites.

 

[irosie91]

You mean the letter to the Romans?

Romans 11 - The Remnant of Israel - I ask then: Did - Bible Gateway

FYI the Israelis seem to believe that the Pashtun are descended from the tribe of Benjamin.

>>“The deliverer will come from Zion;<<
So why are you so objectionable to zionism? Jews and the torah are the roots in the holy land. Without them, christianity or islam would not exist.
If you actually believe in prophecies, or we actually create the outcome ourselves, Jerusalem and the jewish temple play a part.
......... and in the end of the whole book, there is a thousand years of peace. Nice ending, unless the book ended in the 1st Century and anything after that is man creating his own fulfillment because he did not understand the book or history, or just to manipulate people.

still peace sounds nice

There were schools for prophets all over Palestine.. IMO they were more political and social commentators rather than fortune tellers... as most prophesies were after the fact.

IMO the Kingdom of God has come.. Many Christians believe that we are saved even before death. The Roman occupation ended and we no longer follow the laws and rituals created by the Levites.

I am still waiting to find out what LAWS AND RITUALS were "CREATED BY THE
LEVITES" before going on SHROOON----how about defining "LEVITES"
"SCHOOLS FOR PROPHETS"?? prophesy 101???

 

[Shaarona]

>>“The deliverer will come from Zion;<<
So why are you so objectionable to zionism? Jews and the torah are the roots in the holy land. Without them, christianity or islam would not exist.
If you actually believe in prophecies, or we actually create the outcome ourselves, Jerusalem and the jewish temple play a part.
......... and in the end of the whole book, there is a thousand years of peace. Nice ending, unless the book ended in the 1st Century and anything after that is man creating his own fulfillment because he did not understand the book or history, or just to manipulate people.

still peace sounds nice

There were schools for prophets all over Palestine.. IMO they were more political and social commentators rather than fortune tellers... as most prophesies were after the fact.

IMO the Kingdom of God has come.. Many Christians believe that we are saved even before death. The Roman occupation ended and we no longer follow the laws and rituals created by the Levites.

I am still waiting to find out what LAWS AND RITUALS were "CREATED BY THE
LEVITES" before going on SHROOON----how about defining "LEVITES"
"SCHOOLS FOR PROPHETS"?? prophesy 101???

The laws and rituals were created by the Levites to keep Jewish people separate and give them identity.. after the Babylonian exile. Deuteronomy came later and was read aloud in Temple for approval.

Schools of the Prophets

The name given to bands of prophets or “sons of prophets” living together for instruction and worship under Samuel, Elijah, and Elisha. Little is known about these schools, but they seem to have been important religious institutions in Israel and references to them are frequent (1 Sam. 10:11; 19:19–20; 2 Kgs. 2:3, 5; 4:38; 6:1). Not all the “sons of the prophets” claimed to have a supernatural gift; they were simply trained religious teachers, while some inspired prophets had received no training in the schools (Amos 7:14; see also D&C 88:127, 136–38; 90:7; 95:10, 17).

The Levites were members of the Hebrew tribe of Levi... and they were not allowed to own land.

 

[aris2chat]

>>“The deliverer will come from Zion;<<
So why are you so objectionable to zionism? Jews and the torah are the roots in the holy land. Without them, christianity or islam would not exist.
If you actually believe in prophecies, or we actually create the outcome ourselves, Jerusalem and the jewish temple play a part.
......... and in the end of the whole book, there is a thousand years of peace. Nice ending, unless the book ended in the 1st Century and anything after that is man creating his own fulfillment because he did not understand the book or history, or just to manipulate people.

still peace sounds nice

There were schools for prophets all over Palestine.. IMO they were more political and social commentators rather than fortune tellers... as most prophesies were after the fact.

IMO the Kingdom of God has come.. Many Christians believe that we are saved even before death. The Roman occupation ended and we no longer follow the laws and rituals created by the Levites.

I am still waiting to find out what LAWS AND RITUALS were "CREATED BY THE
LEVITES" before going on SHROOON----how about defining "LEVITES"
"SCHOOLS FOR PROPHETS"?? prophesy 101???

The ten commandments?? Followed by all three of the monotheistic religions? Other religions have similar laws. Laws common enough to all cultures that they can be used as a basis of secular law so all people will understand.

Roman law, roman church law that was imposed on most of the world during western conquest and acquisition? Laws adapted from the Roman empire and Byzantine Empire?

 

[Shaarona]

There were schools for prophets all over Palestine.. IMO they were more political and social commentators rather than fortune tellers... as most prophesies were after the fact.

IMO the Kingdom of God has come.. Many Christians believe that we are saved even before death. The Roman occupation ended and we no longer follow the laws and rituals created by the Levites.

I am still waiting to find out what LAWS AND RITUALS were "CREATED BY THE
LEVITES" before going on SHROOON----how about defining "LEVITES"
"SCHOOLS FOR PROPHETS"?? prophesy 101???

The ten commandments?? Followed by all three of the monotheistic religions? Other religions have similar laws. Laws common enough to all cultures that they can be used as a basis of secular law so all people will understand.

Roman law, roman church law that was imposed on most of the world during western conquest and acquisition? Laws adapted from the Roman empire and Byzantine Empire?

The laws and rituals proscribed by the Levites are not the ten commandments. Read them.

This was an identity issue after the Babylonian exile at the same time they were told to divorce foreign wives and abandon the children of those unions. Of course many Jewish men would NOT do so and that was the beginning of the first Diaspora.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

While there certainly is language in Romans about all Israel being saved, there is also language that clearly states Salvation requires belief in Jesus. It's hard to see how a Jewish person who dies never accepting Jesus as Messiah has Salvation. The only possibility is as I see it is concluding God saves after death. But the problem there is there is no theological basis to support this. When I have interpretation issues I look to Jesus first for an answer. Jesus very clearly says in John 3:16 that Salvation comes only through belief in Him. And that is what I believe to be true, that Salvation requires belief in Jesus.

In the Bible, the concept of a remnant appears in multiple places. Some Jews will be saved, those who accept Jesus as Messiah. That is perhaps what the Apostle Paul is addressing, the remnant of Jews who believe in Jesus. At least as long as we have life left in our bodies still, we potentially have opportunities left to give our lives to Jesus.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Romans 11

English Standard Version (ESV)

The Remnant of Israel

I ask, then,*has God rejected his people? By no means! For*I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,[a]*a member of the tribe of Benjamin.*God has not rejected his people whom he*foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?*&#8220;Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.&#8221;*But what is God's reply to him?*&#8220;I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.&#8221;*So too at the present time there is*a remnant, chosen by grace.*But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

What then?*Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest*were hardened,*as it is written,

&#8220;God gave them a spirit of stupor,
****eyes that would not see
****and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.&#8221;

And David says,

&#8220;Let their table become a snare and a trap,
****a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
****and bend their backs forever.&#8221;

Gentiles Grafted In

So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass*salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.*Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion*mean!

Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as*I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry*in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and*thus save some of them.*For if their rejection means*the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?*If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

But if*some of the branches were broken off, and you,*although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[c]*of the olive tree,*do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.*Then you will say, &#8220;Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.&#8221;*That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you*stand fast through faith. So*do not become proud, but*fear.*For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.*Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you,provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise*you too will be cut off.*And*even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.*For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d]*a partial hardening has come upon Israel,until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.*And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

&#8220;The Deliverer will come*from Zion,
****he will banish ungodliness from Jacob&#8221;;
&#8220;and this will be my*covenant with them
****when I take away their sins.&#8221;

As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are*beloved for the sake of their forefathers.*For the gifts and*the calling of God are irrevocable.*For just as*you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience,*so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e]*receive mercy.For God*has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Oh, the depth of the riches and*wisdom and knowledge of God!*How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

&#8220;For*who has known the mind of the Lord,
****or*who has been his counselor?&#8221;
&#8220;Or*who has given a gift to him
****that he might be repaid?&#8221;

For*from him and through him and to him are all things.*To him be glory forever. Amen.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11&version=ESV



I interpret the language of Romans 11:26 to mean a remnant of Israel will be saved, Jews who accept Jesus as Messiah.

 

[Shaarona]

While there certainly is language in Romans about all Israel being saved, there is also language that clearly states Salvation requires belief in Jesus. It's hard to see how a Jewish person who dies never accepting Jesus as Messiah has Salvation. The only possibility is as I see it is concluding God saves after death. But the problem there is there is no theological basis to support this. When I have interpretation issues I look to Jesus first for an answer. Jesus very clearly says in John 3:16 that Salvation comes only through belief in Him. And that is what I believe to be true, that Salvation requires belief in Jesus.

In the Bible, the concept of a remnant appears in multiple places. Some Jews will be saved, those who accept Jesus as Messiah. That is perhaps what the Apostle Paul is addressing, the remnant of Jews who believe in Jesus. At least as long as we have life left in our bodies still, we potentially have opportunities left to give our lives to Jesus.

I wish you wouldn't go there. The Jews are the recipients of an earlier revelation.. God has a plan. .. and I for one will NOT judge their faith.

 

[irosie91]

I am still waiting to find out what LAWS AND RITUALS were "CREATED BY THE
LEVITES" before going on SHROOON----how about defining "LEVITES"
"SCHOOLS FOR PROPHETS"?? prophesy 101???

The ten commandments?? Followed by all three of the monotheistic religions? Other religions have similar laws. Laws common enough to all cultures that they can be used as a basis of secular law so all people will understand.

Roman law, roman church law that was imposed on most of the world during western conquest and acquisition? Laws adapted from the Roman empire and Byzantine Empire?

The laws and rituals proscribed by the Levites are not the ten commandments. Read them.

This was an identity issue after the Babylonian exile at the same time they were told to divorce foreign wives and abandon the children of those unions. Of course many Jewish men would NOT do so and that was the beginning of the first Diaspora.

You are not only confused about "LEVITES"-----you do not know the word
PROSCRIBED---(try googing the definition) You have alluded to
an issue which one person EZRA decided would be a good idea----
---to avoid marrying non jewish women and even to divorce the
existing one --------sheesh YOU ARE DESPERATE can you cite
your sources regarding how that all panned out? There was a "DIASPORA"--
long before Ezra -------there is no question that jewish men married lots of
non jewish women -------SO??? nothing new----RUTH---the grandmother of
KING DAVID-----was not jewish. You are confusing yourself with minor details
It is EZRA you imagine was "THE LEVITES"???

 

[Hossfly]

Romans 11

English Standard Version (ESV)

The Remnant of Israel

I ask, then,*has God rejected his people? By no means! For*I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,[a]*a member of the tribe of Benjamin.*God has not rejected his people whom he*foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?*&#8220;Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.&#8221;*But what is God's reply to him?*&#8220;I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.&#8221;*So too at the present time there is*a remnant, chosen by grace.*But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

What then?*Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest*were hardened,*as it is written,

&#8220;God gave them a spirit of stupor,
****eyes that would not see
****and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.&#8221;

And David says,

&#8220;Let their table become a snare and a trap,
****a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
****and bend their backs forever.&#8221;

Gentiles Grafted In

So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass*salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.*Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion*mean!

Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as*I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry*in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and*thus save some of them.*For if their rejection means*the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?*If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

But if*some of the branches were broken off, and you,*although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[c]*of the olive tree,*do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.*Then you will say, &#8220;Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.&#8221;*That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you*stand fast through faith. So*do not become proud, but*fear.*For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.*Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you,provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise*you too will be cut off.*And*even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.*For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d]*a partial hardening has come upon Israel,until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.*And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

&#8220;The Deliverer will come*from Zion,
****he will banish ungodliness from Jacob&#8221;;
&#8220;and this will be my*covenant with them
****when I take away their sins.&#8221;

As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are*beloved for the sake of their forefathers.*For the gifts and*the calling of God are irrevocable.*For just as*you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience,*so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e]*receive mercy.For God*has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Oh, the depth of the riches and*wisdom and knowledge of God!*How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

&#8220;For*who has known the mind of the Lord,
****or*who has been his counselor?&#8221;
&#8220;Or*who has given a gift to him
****that he might be repaid?&#8221;

For*from him and through him and to him are all things.*To him be glory forever. Amen.

Romans 11 ESV - The Remnant of Israel - I ask, then, - Bible Gateway



I interpret the language of Romans 11:26 to mean a remnant of Israel will be saved, Jews who accept Jesus as Messiah.

I think you got hold of a spirit of stupor. I hate to tell you, but it won't wear off. So sad.

 

[Shaarona]

The ten commandments?? Followed by all three of the monotheistic religions? Other religions have similar laws. Laws common enough to all cultures that they can be used as a basis of secular law so all people will understand.

Roman law, roman church law that was imposed on most of the world during western conquest and acquisition? Laws adapted from the Roman empire and Byzantine Empire?

The laws and rituals proscribed by the Levites are not the ten commandments. Read them.

This was an identity issue after the Babylonian exile at the same time they were told to divorce foreign wives and abandon the children of those unions. Of course many Jewish men would NOT do so and that was the beginning of the first Diaspora.

You are not only confused about "LEVITES"-----you do not know the word
PROSCRIBED---(try googing the definition) You have alluded to
an issue which one person EZRA decided would be a good idea----
---to avoid marrying non jewish women and even to divorce the
existing one --------sheesh YOU ARE DESPERATE can you cite
your sources regarding how that all panned out? There was a "DIASPORA"--
long before Ezra -------there is no question that jewish men married lots of
non jewish women -------SO??? nothing new----RUTH---the grandmother of
KING DAVID-----was not jewish. You are confusing yourself with minor details
It is EZRA you imagine was "THE LEVITES"???

Of course they married foreign women.. as did Abraham and Moses.. Ruth was a Moahbitess.

Are you freaked over a typo?

 

[Hossfly]

While there certainly is language in Romans about all Israel being saved, there is also language that clearly states Salvation requires belief in Jesus. It's hard to see how a Jewish person who dies never accepting Jesus as Messiah has Salvation. The only possibility is as I see it is concluding God saves after death. But the problem there is there is no theological basis to support this. When I have interpretation issues I look to Jesus first for an answer. Jesus very clearly says in John 3:16 that Salvation comes only through belief in Him. And that is what I believe to be true, that Salvation requires belief in Jesus.

In the Bible, the concept of a remnant appears in multiple places. Some Jews will be saved, those who accept Jesus as Messiah. That is perhaps what the Apostle Paul is addressing, the remnant of Jews who believe in Jesus. At least as long as we have life left in our bodies still, we potentially have opportunities left to give our lives to Jesus.

I wish you wouldn't go there. The Jews are the recipients of an earlier revelation.. God has a plan. .. and I for one will NOT judge their faith.

Uh oh. You just made an enemy. Sherria will cast an evil eye upon you.

 

[irosie91]

While there certainly is language in Romans about all Israel being saved, there is also language that clearly states Salvation requires belief in Jesus. It's hard to see how a Jewish person who dies never accepting Jesus as Messiah has Salvation. The only possibility is as I see it is concluding God saves after death. But the problem there is there is no theological basis to support this. When I have interpretation issues I look to Jesus first for an answer. Jesus very clearly says in John 3:16 that Salvation comes only through belief in Him. And that is what I believe to be true, that Salvation requires belief in Jesus.

In the Bible, the concept of a remnant appears in multiple places. Some Jews will be saved, those who accept Jesus as Messiah. That is perhaps what the Apostle Paul is addressing, the remnant of Jews who believe in Jesus. At least as long as we have life left in our bodies still, we potentially have opportunities left to give our lives to Jesus.

I wish you wouldn't go there. The Jews are the recipients of an earlier revelation.. God has a plan. .. and I for one will NOT judge their faith.

Uh oh. You just made an enemy. Sherria will cast an evil eye upon you.

The authorship of "ROMANS" is unknown----some attribute it to
PAUL-----who never met Jesus------Paul based his writings ----on
DREAMS Thus paul dreamt up-----a concept that one must
"BELIEVE IN JESUS" or be cast into hell forever. The established
Roman Catholic Church had a big problem with that one-----anyone
interested should read Dante's DIVINE COMEDY-----poor Dante
did the best he could and still came out with a BIG MESS. He so
like VIRGIL (a pagan all his life) that he just did not know what
to do with him for his 'after-life'

 

[Shaarona]

I wish you wouldn't go there. The Jews are the recipients of an earlier revelation.. God has a plan. .. and I for one will NOT judge their faith.

Uh oh. You just made an enemy. Sherria will cast an evil eye upon you.

The authorship of "ROMANS" is unknown----some attribute it to
PAUL-----who never met Jesus------Paul based his writings ----on
DREAMS Thus paul dreamt up-----a concept that one must
"BELIEVE IN JESUS" or be cast into hell forever. The established
Roman Catholic Church had a big problem with that one-----anyone
interested should read Dante's DIVINE COMEDY-----poor Dante
did the best he could and still came out with a BIG MESS. He so
like VIRGIL (a pagan all his life) that he just did not know what
to do with him for his 'after-life'

I have read Dante's Divine Comedy... and I know that Paul never met Jesus... and I do not dismiss the Catholic Church or Judaism.