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So you think humans that work but can't afford to feed their goddamn families are animals? Yet, you call yourself a christian? You can burn in hell you nasty piece of shit. Fuck you.
What!! No gas allowance!!??Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.
This is the right thing to do....
Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.
And why is that? I have my reply on hold but want to hear yours first.What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.
A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.
Will you progressives go ahead and pay for that, with the rest of us out of it.Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.
This is the right thing to do....
Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.
What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.
The fastest way to make that happen is with pure capitalism. Where capitalism isn't balanced with a strong social safety net, and vigorously enforced worker protections, wages don't increase, because the employers hold all of the power, and there are enough workers that they can be easily replaced. Prices rise, wages don't. The top 10% control all of the wealth in the country, and there are the very rich, the very poor, and few in between.
People have to take whatever jobs are available regardless of what they pay because they'll starve otherwise. If they get sick they die, unless they're wealthy.
If this is starting to sound like where the US has been heading the past few years, you have that right. Because Reagan tipped the balance when he decimated the unions, and changed the tax code.
Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.
This is the right thing to do....
Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.
Er.... why? Does it help someone to give them free money? No, not really. It does help them to have them getting jobs.
What would help them is A) an education system which works for them to get a job when they're an adult, giving them the skills they need while they are at school and B) an education system which is aimed at producing workers aimed at specific jobs, like high tech jobs so that everyone benefits.
So you think humans that work but can't afford to feed their goddamn families are animals? Yet, you call yourself a christian? You can burn in hell you nasty piece of shit. Fuck you.
No you moron. You teach someone to swim by getting them in the shallow end at a low wage because they aren't olympic swimmers yet. Then you teach them to put their face in the water and blow bubbles and give them a raise for that. Then you teach them to float, and they get a raise. Some will continue on to learn how to breastroke or butterfly and one or two will be world class and get paid accordingly. You want us all to finance everyone until they can win the 100 meter.Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.
This is the right thing to do....
Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.
It's time people start helping themselves instead of demanding all their miserable lives that someone else do it for them.
Gee, I thought going to school and taking classes is helping yourself.
You'd teach someone to swim by tying rocks around their legs and throwing them overboard.
No you idiot. I want you to give them swimming lessons, not tell them to do it all themselves. If they could do that without assistance, they would already have done it.
That's the problem. You want people that, in no way, have an association with the one getting something to fund it while those that are associated with them to get a pass in doing that. If a kid's parents aren't willing to do for them when it comes to higher education, that kids isn't a good investment for me. When it comes to providing anything to a kid, it's their parent(s) responsibility not mine.
So you think humans that work but can't afford to feed their goddamn families are animals? Yet, you call yourself a christian? You can burn in hell you nasty piece of shit. Fuck you.
Matthew, Matthew, Matthew. Bless your heart.
You have a long history on this board of starting "I want free stuff" threads. "Government should pay for..." threads which to any working person means "Give me free stuff".
When you give someone something they didn't earn, they don't appreciate it, they don't see the value of the gift, they become dependent and they lose their most valuable asset, liberty, independence and self-reliance.
So what you're saying is that the children of the wealthy should not be allowed to inherit their parents' money because they didn't earn it, and they won't appreciate. They'll become dependant on their inheritance and lose their liberty, independence and self-reliance.
If what you say is true, rich kids should have to work for everything they have too. They shouldn't inherit because it will only hold them back.
You argument doesn't hold water. As for the swimming analogy. I don't want to keep teaching people to swim until everyone can be a world class athlete. I want them to learn to swim so they won't drown, they'll be able to enjoy to go into the water without fear. I don't expect everyone to be successful, nor do I want them to get a medal. Some will, most won't. But at least they've have the chance to try.
Moron.....if they actually educated kids, they could get into college and succeed.......they could also send their kids to trade schools if they wanted............or apprenticeships........and then we can tackle the price inflation at the college level because of government interference....
And if Trump has his way kids no longer are able to get government grants and loans... so more kids are either in debt for the next 10+ years or they can't go to college because their parents don't have good enough credit to get the loans.
The mental melt down of mental midgets over Trump is just old......the reason college is so expensive is because the government took over the loan process...and the colleges hiked the prices to go along with the gauranteed increase in loans.....
And making it all private loans is going to change that? Please..... Who's going to give a loan to a family that has a single parent making minimum wage? All he is going to do is make it even more difficult for a poor kid to get out of the slums and make it.
No twit.....it is the government loan garuantees that gave the green light to the universities to increase their prices way above the cost of inflation...........
The problem isn't the cost of college ....it is the parent who decided to have children, as a single parent...while only making minimum wage......that is the problem......address that.
You don't want poor single people to have kids? Then don't defund Planned Parenthood... oh wait...
Or are you talking about forced contraception? Starting to sound like Russia to me...
I can agree with the OP, with one caveat. If you take this deal, you have a 5 year limit for food stamps and educational assistance.
And as for what sort of classes, skip the computer or business classes. The chances of that helping them is slim to none.
Give them training in a trade. Teach them skills such as plumbing, welding, laying brick, splicing fiber optics, or any one of a dozen vocational training classes that will give them a real job and a future.
yeah we used to have that
it has called "shop" in junior and high school
how about they help themselves firstEveryone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.
This is the right thing to do....
Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.
And if Trump has his way kids no longer are able to get government grants and loans... so more kids are either in debt for the next 10+ years or they can't go to college because their parents don't have good enough credit to get the loans.
The mental melt down of mental midgets over Trump is just old......the reason college is so expensive is because the government took over the loan process...and the colleges hiked the prices to go along with the gauranteed increase in loans.....
And making it all private loans is going to change that? Please..... Who's going to give a loan to a family that has a single parent making minimum wage? All he is going to do is make it even more difficult for a poor kid to get out of the slums and make it.
Lower tuition...oh wait colleges and universities are Dem campaign contributors, is that why you sit there with your thumbs up your ass while they charge kids $150k for a worthless diploma?
Lower tuition won't matter if people can't get approved for loans. What part of that don't you understand?
Goddamn whatever happened to working your way through college, you know getting a job. Or parents working a job and saving up for their kids college. When did it become my goddamn responsibility to work overtime and have to work until I'm 70 years old to retire because I had to pay to put other peoples kids through college?
If you choose to have kids they are YOUR financial responsibility not mine. If you come begging me for a tuition hand out you had better be working 2 jobs and trying to make it on your own first.
exactly what is stopping you from just grabbing someone off the street and paying this for them?Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.
This is the right thing to do....
Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.
never heard of going to college part time ?The mental melt down of mental midgets over Trump is just old......the reason college is so expensive is because the government took over the loan process...and the colleges hiked the prices to go along with the gauranteed increase in loans.....
And making it all private loans is going to change that? Please..... Who's going to give a loan to a family that has a single parent making minimum wage? All he is going to do is make it even more difficult for a poor kid to get out of the slums and make it.
Lower tuition...oh wait colleges and universities are Dem campaign contributors, is that why you sit there with your thumbs up your ass while they charge kids $150k for a worthless diploma?
Lower tuition won't matter if people can't get approved for loans. What part of that don't you understand?
Goddamn whatever happened to working your way through college, you know getting a job. Or parents working a job and saving up for their kids college. When did it become my goddamn responsibility to work overtime and have to work until I'm 70 years old to retire because I had to pay to put other peoples kids through college?
If you choose to have kids they are YOUR financial responsibility not mine. If you come begging me for a tuition hand out you had better be working 2 jobs and trying to make it on your own first.
Couple of things. First, well kind of hard to work you way through college when tuition is so high. Perhaps you can blame those student loans for that. Of course, like damn near everything else these days, calling them "student" loans was NEWSPEAK. They were created and intended for the parents, the wealthy parents that had saved for college. The "student" loan allowed them to borrow the money for school and invest the money they had saved, hopefully at a better return than the student loan and especially with the government subsidizing the interest. Then, again like damn near everything else, it got out of hand. Now it has evolved into a massive wealth extraction system even including special garnishment rights that no other debt contains.
Your argument kind of reminds me of a certain ancient ass old Republican congresswoman in the neighboring district. Heard her moan the same question, why can't those students work their way through college. She did it. Worked in the summer and paid her tuition. Clueless bitch, her tuition, in the 1960's, was a whomping one hundred dollars. I went to the same school in the 80's, total cost, around seven grand a year, total cost. Today, two sons in the same state university system, twenty five grand a year total cost PER STUDENT. Which brings me to the second thing.
It can be done. I am mighty proud to say that the oldest one has been soloing it for the last two years. On is own accord, not because I couldn't help. But he has had to borrow a little bit, he has gotten some merit scholarships, and he has one of the best internship in the industry. The point is that it is damn hard to do and might near impossible to do it without borrowing money.
The mental melt down of mental midgets over Trump is just old......the reason college is so expensive is because the government took over the loan process...and the colleges hiked the prices to go along with the gauranteed increase in loans.....
And making it all private loans is going to change that? Please..... Who's going to give a loan to a family that has a single parent making minimum wage? All he is going to do is make it even more difficult for a poor kid to get out of the slums and make it.
Lower tuition...oh wait colleges and universities are Dem campaign contributors, is that why you sit there with your thumbs up your ass while they charge kids $150k for a worthless diploma?
Lower tuition won't matter if people can't get approved for loans. What part of that don't you understand?
Goddamn whatever happened to working your way through college, you know getting a job. Or parents working a job and saving up for their kids college. When did it become my goddamn responsibility to work overtime and have to work until I'm 70 years old to retire because I had to pay to put other peoples kids through college?
If you choose to have kids they are YOUR financial responsibility not mine. If you come begging me for a tuition hand out you had better be working 2 jobs and trying to make it on your own first.
Couple of things. First, well kind of hard to work you way through college when tuition is so high. Perhaps you can blame those student loans for that. Of course, like damn near everything else these days, calling them "student" loans was NEWSPEAK. They were created and intended for the parents, the wealthy parents that had saved for college. The "student" loan allowed them to borrow the money for school and invest the money they had saved, hopefully at a better return than the student loan and especially with the government subsidizing the interest. Then, again like damn near everything else, it got out of hand. Now it has evolved into a massive wealth extraction system even including special garnishment rights that no other debt contains.
Your argument kind of reminds me of a certain ancient ass old Republican congresswoman in the neighboring district. Heard her moan the same question, why can't those students work their way through college. She did it. Worked in the summer and paid her tuition. Clueless bitch, her tuition, in the 1960's, was a whomping one hundred dollars. I went to the same school in the 80's, total cost, around seven grand a year, total cost. Today, two sons in the same state university system, twenty five grand a year total cost PER STUDENT. Which brings me to the second thing.
It can be done. I am mighty proud to say that the oldest one has been soloing it for the last two years. On is own accord, not because I couldn't help. But he has had to borrow a little bit, he has gotten some merit scholarships, and he has one of the best internships in the industry. The point is that it is damn hard to do and might near impossible to do without borrowing money.
how about the universities stop wasting that money and lower tuition for those that are in classes. That would be a huge help too. If you take that money and move it to giving some a free education, you are forcing others to pay not only for theirs, but for someone elses education at the same time. Its not fair that someone carry a student loan with money used to educate someone else for free.I can agree with the OP, with one caveat. If you take this deal, you have a 5 year limit for food stamps and educational assistance.
And as for what sort of classes, skip the computer or business classes. The chances of that helping them is slim to none.
Give them training in a trade. Teach them skills such as plumbing, welding, laying brick, splicing fiber optics, or any one of a dozen vocational training classes that will give them a real job and a future.
I can agree with you with one caveat. If you think this is such a good idea, YOU pay for it. If the costs were placed on those that think it's a good idea, we'd see just how much they actually care.
I'm proving an education for MY children. If some kid's parents won't provide their own with an education, it damn sure isn't my place to do it regardless of the caveats. If those parents don't think their own child is a good enough investment, I sure don't.
We will all pay for it now or pay for it later. This way gives us productive citizens with actual skills.
Get Soros and Buffet to pay for it!
Or get the Universities to stop paying $300,000 for people like Clinton to speak and give that money to help people pay for school!
why should we?And making it all private loans is going to change that? Please..... Who's going to give a loan to a family that has a single parent making minimum wage? All he is going to do is make it even more difficult for a poor kid to get out of the slums and make it.
Lower tuition...oh wait colleges and universities are Dem campaign contributors, is that why you sit there with your thumbs up your ass while they charge kids $150k for a worthless diploma?
Lower tuition won't matter if people can't get approved for loans. What part of that don't you understand?
Goddamn whatever happened to working your way through college, you know getting a job. Or parents working a job and saving up for their kids college. When did it become my goddamn responsibility to work overtime and have to work until I'm 70 years old to retire because I had to pay to put other peoples kids through college?
If you choose to have kids they are YOUR financial responsibility not mine. If you come begging me for a tuition hand out you had better be working 2 jobs and trying to make it on your own first.
Couple of things. First, well kind of hard to work you way through college when tuition is so high. Perhaps you can blame those student loans for that. Of course, like damn near everything else these days, calling them "student" loans was NEWSPEAK. They were created and intended for the parents, the wealthy parents that had saved for college. The "student" loan allowed them to borrow the money for school and invest the money they had saved, hopefully at a better return than the student loan and especially with the government subsidizing the interest. Then, again like damn near everything else, it got out of hand. Now it has evolved into a massive wealth extraction system even including special garnishment rights that no other debt contains.
Your argument kind of reminds me of a certain ancient ass old Republican congresswoman in the neighboring district. Heard her moan the same question, why can't those students work their way through college. She did it. Worked in the summer and paid her tuition. Clueless bitch, her tuition, in the 1960's, was a whomping one hundred dollars. I went to the same school in the 80's, total cost, around seven grand a year, total cost. Today, two sons in the same state university system, twenty five grand a year total cost PER STUDENT. Which brings me to the second thing.
It can be done. I am mighty proud to say that the oldest one has been soloing it for the last two years. On is own accord, not because I couldn't help. But he has had to borrow a little bit, he has gotten some merit scholarships, and he has one of the best internships in the industry. The point is that it is damn hard to do and might near impossible to do without borrowing money.
And yet, we never hold universities accountable for their exponential increases in tuition and admininstration pay. Why is that? Why do we give them a pass and just look the other way?
