Everyone making less then 25,000 per year

[williepete]

So you think humans that work but can't afford to feed their goddamn families are animals? Yet, you call yourself a christian? You can burn in hell you nasty piece of shit. Fuck you.

Matthew, Matthew, Matthew. Bless your heart.

You have a long history on this board of starting "I want free stuff" threads. "Government should pay for..." threads which to any working person means "Give me free stuff".

When you give someone something they didn't earn, they don't appreciate it, they don't see the value of the gift, they become dependent and they lose their most valuable asset, liberty, independence and self-reliance.

So I posted a humorous response to another of your gimmie, gimmie, gimmie threads and you fall down on the carpet like a screaming two-year-old and unleash the invective of an entitlement brat. Even you must see this doesn't promote your idea. It just perpetuates the image of the lazy entitlement class demanding they be paid for being lazy.

Hard working Americans will lend a helping hand to people in need who just need a temporary hand up. But demanding money for nothing then pitching a hissy fit when hard working people don't buy into the parasite class guilt trip doesn't promote your idea that lackluster performers be subsidized.

 

[Anathema]

No you idiot. I want you to give them swimming lessons, not tell them to do it all themselves. If they could do that without assistance, they would already have done it.

Give a bum a fire they'll be warm for a night. Set a bum on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their lives.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

And why is that? I have my reply on hold but want to hear yours first.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Aren't you the guy that just thinks that women are inferior to men anyway?

Yes. Though I don't see the correlation to this issue.

Your views are just old fashioned and not to be taken that seriously.

 

[Lewdog]

Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

The problem is more that the govt helps the rich to make money a lot more than it helps those at the bottom of the business pile. It's skewed badly. They should be helping small businesses far more than international corporations so no one person ends up being so rich while others can't compete.

 

[Hossfly]

Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

The problem is more that the govt helps the rich to make money a lot more than it helps those at the bottom of the business pile. It's skewed badly. They should be helping small businesses far more than international corporations so no one person ends up being so rich while others can't compete.

The problem with the government is the fact that they have placed so many restrictions and regulations on small businesses that tens of thousands of them have folded and no longer exist, thanks to the Obama Socialist Administration.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Aren't you the guy that just thinks that women are inferior to men anyway?

Yes. Though I don't see the correlation to this issue.

Your views are just old fashioned and not to be taken that seriously.

You may want to think as old fashioned as tried and proven. Just because the rules are old doesn't mean they aren't true.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

The problem is more that the govt helps the rich to make money a lot more than it helps those at the bottom of the business pile. It's skewed badly. They should be helping small businesses far more than international corporations so no one person ends up being so rich while others can't compete.

Holy shit. So you're all in on Trumps plan.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

The problem is more that the govt helps the rich to make money a lot more than it helps those at the bottom of the business pile. It's skewed badly. They should be helping small businesses far more than international corporations so no one person ends up being so rich while others can't compete.

The problem with the government is the fact that they have placed so many restrictions and regulations on small businesses that tens of thousands of them have folded and no longer exist, thanks to the Obama Socialist Administration.

The amazing thing is these people think we need even more regulation. Their regulations haven't worked so far because we don't have enough. Never mind things were fine without them.

 

[Dragonlady]

So you think humans that work but can't afford to feed their goddamn families are animals? Yet, you call yourself a christian? You can burn in hell you nasty piece of shit. Fuck you.

Matthew, Matthew, Matthew. Bless your heart.

You have a long history on this board of starting "I want free stuff" threads. "Government should pay for..." threads which to any working person means "Give me free stuff".

When you give someone something they didn't earn, they don't appreciate it, they don't see the value of the gift, they become dependent and they lose their most valuable asset, liberty, independence and self-reliance.

So what you're saying is that the children of the wealthy should not be allowed to inherit their parents' money because they didn't earn it, and they won't appreciate. They'll become dependant on their inheritance and lose their liberty, independence and self-reliance.

If what you say is true, rich kids should have to work for everything they have too. They shouldn't inherit because it will only hold them back.

You argument doesn't hold water. As for the swimming analogy. I don't want to keep teaching people to swim until everyone can be a world class athlete. I want them to learn to swim so they won't drown, they'll be able to enjoy to go into the water without fear. I don't expect everyone to be successful, nor do I want them to get a medal. Some will, most won't. But at least they've have the chance to try.

 

[Yarddog]

So you think humans that work but can't afford to feed their goddamn families are animals? Yet, you call yourself a christian? You can burn in hell you nasty piece of shit. Fuck you.

He didnt mean they were animals , guess you missed the point of the analogy

 

[frigidweirdo]

Anytime you have a capitalist system there will ALWAYS be those at the bottom of the triangle. Those at the top need to quit being assholes and realize that unless they do something to protect those at the bottom, they will disappear and then guess what... those at the middle will be at the bottom... and when those are gone... the next ones will be at the bottom... and so on.

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

The problem is more that the govt helps the rich to make money a lot more than it helps those at the bottom of the business pile. It's skewed badly. They should be helping small businesses far more than international corporations so no one person ends up being so rich while others can't compete.

The problem with the government is the fact that they have placed so many restrictions and regulations on small businesses that tens of thousands of them have folded and no longer exist, thanks to the Obama Socialist Administration.

Oh, it's just Obama's administration that did this then? Not Congress? Not state govts? Not previous administrations, just Obama?

I don't believe you.

The 2008 recession was BAD for small businesses. As you can see from 2008 onwards the trend was poor. Things were moving up from 2014 onward. This doesn't have much to do with Obama, it has a lot to do with Bush and Congress who allowed massive military spending, allowed the housing market to go crazy, etc etc.

Looking here it seems to be a general downturn. This isn't Obama, this is everyone in politics. Reagan had an initial rise in job creation within small businesses, but it had dropped down by the end of his time in office, the same with Bush snr. and Bush W. What does this suggest? It suggests they put in policies that work in the short term and not in the long term, they do the populist things and it goes downhill again. The same can also be said of Carter. This isn't taking into account things that were going on at this time, like a boom for Bush W which could have increased jobs without any need for any legislation or presidential actions.

To A) put the blame on Obama only is ridiculous and B) to do so without backing anything up is even more ridiculous.

 

[Yarddog]

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

The problem is more that the govt helps the rich to make money a lot more than it helps those at the bottom of the business pile. It's skewed badly. They should be helping small businesses far more than international corporations so no one person ends up being so rich while others can't compete.

The problem with the government is the fact that they have placed so many restrictions and regulations on small businesses that tens of thousands of them have folded and no longer exist, thanks to the Obama Socialist Administration.

The amazing thing is these people think we need even more regulation. Their regulations haven't worked so far because we don't have enough. Never mind things were fine without them.

And a lot of these regulations, the frivilous and duplicitous ones, are all about collecting fees and slowing things down.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

What you aren't able to comprehend is the only way your scenario can happen is with socialism. Only in socialism does a person born into poverty remain there forever. In capitalism a person born poor can become middle class or even one of the hated 1%. As a bonus only under capitalism can a 1%er fall to the very bottom. During capitalism or socialism there will always be those at the bottom. Only one of those systems gives you the opportunity to escape that position. The other one ensures you will never get out of it.

A person in the bottom ten percent has a one in five hundred chance of making it to the top one percent. Someone in the top one percent has a one out of six chance of falling below the highest ten percent.

Not to mention, those in the top 1% are worth more than the other 99% combined. That's a problem.

The problem is more that the govt helps the rich to make money a lot more than it helps those at the bottom of the business pile. It's skewed badly. They should be helping small businesses far more than international corporations so no one person ends up being so rich while others can't compete.

The problem with the government is the fact that they have placed so many restrictions and regulations on small businesses that tens of thousands of them have folded and no longer exist, thanks to the Obama Socialist Administration.

Oh, it's just Obama's administration that did this then? Not Congress? Not state govts? Not previous administrations, just Obama?

I don't believe you.

The 2008 recession was BAD for small businesses. As you can see from 2008 onwards the trend was poor. Things were moving up from 2014 onward. This doesn't have much to do with Obama, it has a lot to do with Bush and Congress who allowed massive military spending, allowed the housing market to go crazy, etc etc.

Looking here it seems to be a general downturn. This isn't Obama, this is everyone in politics. Reagan had an initial rise in job creation within small businesses, but it had dropped down by the end of his time in office, the same with Bush snr. and Bush W. What does this suggest? It suggests they put in policies that work in the short term and not in the long term, they do the populist things and it goes downhill again. The same can also be said of Carter. This isn't taking into account things that were going on at this time, like a boom for Bush W which could have increased jobs without any need for any legislation or presidential actions.

To A) put the blame on Obama only is ridiculous and B) to do so without backing anything up is even more ridiculous.

The amazing part is you don't realize obie has been in charge the last eight years. As a bonus you don't understand why the dems have lost so many seats and state positions. It's probably because the person you put all your faith in for hope and change was an idiot.

 

[TheDude]

Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.

This is the right thing to do....

Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.

DEAL.....They get this for one year. One and a half tops. They see a reduction in social security equal to the cost plus interest. If they don't go to work and aren't disabled or children, then they're sworn off govt. assistance for life less catastrophic situations.

 

[BluesLegend]

Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.

This is the right thing to do....

Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.

I already paid to provide them with 12 years of schooling, didn't these losers pay attention? Do you want me to buy their toilet paper for them too? I'm not your damn piggy bank, go to hell.

 

[2aguy]

Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.

This is the right thing to do....

Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.

How about we give them 12 years of free education....oh...that's right...we already do......the problem...the government schools, controlled by the education wing of the democrat party, isn't educating our kids.......how about we give the parent's of those kids a voucher for the full amount of that free education each year...and they can send their kids to schools that actually educate them.......that would solve most of that problem.

 

[Lewdog]

Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.

This is the right thing to do....

Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.

How about we give them 12 years of free education....oh...that's right...we already do......the problem...the government schools, controlled by the education wing of the democrat party, isn't educating our kids.......how about we give the parent's of those kids a voucher for the full amount of that free education each year...and they can send their kids to schools that actually educate them.......that would solve most of that problem.

A high school education today will get you a job making... $10 an hour. Congrats on a failed argument.

 

[2aguy]

Everyone making less then 25,000 per year should get $300 per month in food stamps and be allowed to take skill based classes at their local community college backed by the tax payers. Skill based is computer, business, or any classes that help them get a better job to boost their income upwards.

This is the right thing to do....

Time to start helping people instead of hurting them.

How about we give them 12 years of free education....oh...that's right...we already do......the problem...the government schools, controlled by the education wing of the democrat party, isn't educating our kids.......how about we give the parent's of those kids a voucher for the full amount of that free education each year...and they can send their kids to schools that actually educate them.......that would solve most of that problem.

A high school education today will get you a job making... $10 an hour. Congrats on a failed argument.

Moron.....if they actually educated kids, they could get into college and succeed.......they could also send their kids to trade schools if they wanted............or apprenticeships........and then we can tackle the price inflation at the college level because of government interference....